UK Police 'writing off crimes' because they are so overstretched, damning report reveals - Polidicks

I honestly wish we could put the Government and their Conservative whores on trial for all the damage they've done to this country. People like Jeremy Hunt and George Osborne (who's previous policies contributed to this shitshow) should be held responsible for the lives they've endangered through their bullshit. Shame we don't have more rioting against the current Government/the Conservatives, maybe they'd stop acting like cunts if they realised just how close they are to pushing people past the point of desperation.

When my girlfriend worked in a petrol station, she had a group of men that would pull up in their car several times a week, one would get out and look intimidating, and another would fill up the car, then they would jump in the car and drive off without paying. When she called the police they never responded. They would ask if anyone was assaulted, she would say no, they would say there was nothing they could do. One week she was ringing them up, and they actually asked for the reg number, she was told not to approach the guys under any circumstances as they are known to carry firearms, and have been involved in armed robbery previously. It was around this point she was taught how to lock the pumps, just after learning the guy could potentially shoot her if she did. My girlfriend's work got robbed by 4 dudes with guns several times a week for the entire time she was well enough to work there and the police didn't show up once. A guy in my block of flats had his car vandalised in full view of around 10 cctv cameras, police didn't have the resources to look at the footage. A whole street of cars, including some kind of vintage treasure (not really a car person but the local paper and radio put stress on just how valuable this thing was), got torched by a group of chavs, residents just had to sit inside and watch their cars burn because the police wouldn't show up. Our country is being gutted by our current government. something has to change because we are in trouble here.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51900713]I honestly wish we could put the Government and their Conservative whores on trial for all the damage they've done to this country. People like Jeremy Hunt and George Osborne (who's previous policies contributed to this shitshow) should be held responsible for the lives they've endangered through their bullshit. Shame we don't have more rioting against the current Government/the Conservatives, maybe they'd stop acting like cunts if they realised just how close they are to pushing people past the point of desperation.[/QUOTE] You say that as if Labour would have done any better in empowering people to protect themselves, or not making ridiculous, wasteful, invasive programs that take up police resources prosecuting people for insulting horses instead of robbing stores. Labour was about to ban knives for fuck's sakes, they don't give a shit about you protecting yourself, and would have introduced the same kind of Orwellian bullshit to spy on the citizenry, prosecute them for being "offensive," and waste police resources just like the Tories.

Also touching on the subject of firearms ownership, It's not as hard as you think over here. I could get hold of a legal shotgun easily enough, I would just have to show I had a secure place to store it, pay some cash, and pass some background checks. Out of those, the only obstacle for a law abiding citizen like me is money, and I'm fairly sure you don't hand out guns for free to the less fortunate in the US.

No, but you can find a shitty old revolver that will still shoot for $50 in the US, and you don't have to pay licensing fees, course fees, purchase a safe before even getting your gun license, and then prove to the police that you are "of good character" (an entirely arbitrary thing) and have the safe bolted to the wall like you do in the UK before you can buy a rifle, because you can't even get a pistol there unless you're in North Ireland or the Isle of Mann. Also the last case I recall hearing of a farmer defending himself with a shotgun in the UK led to that farmer being charged for it, despite it being a very clear situation where he was in the right.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51901144]No, but you can find a shitty old revolver that will still shoot for $50 in the US, and you don't have to pay licensing fees, course fees, purchase a safe before even getting your gun license, and then prove to the police that you are "of good character" (an entirely arbitrary thing) and have the safe bolted to the wall like you do in the UK before you can buy a rifle, because you can't even get a pistol there unless you're in North Ireland or the Isle of Mann. Also the last case I recall hearing of a farmer defending himself with a shotgun in the UK led to that farmer being charged for it, despite it being a very clear situation where he was in the right.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's [i] harder[/i] but it's not like none of us have ever seen a gun in our lives like some make out, and besides I agree with the laws here. You really should have to prove you can safely secure and use a firearm before you are allowed to have one. Also, I know that I'm responding to an anecdote with another anecdote, but Ive also seen farmers clearly in the wrong get away with gun stuff. The other year a farmer pretty close to my town called someone's collie over to the gate of his property, spoke to the owner briefly, then opened the gate, let the dog in, and shot it as it ran past him. It was on his property, that's all the police needed to hear.

Sounds like uk shops need to hire some roof koreans.

Yeah, guns are a thing in the UK, they are just almost entirely restricted to stuff like hunting purposes afaik. Not that that stops criminals using them, of course; that's not so much a problem with the gun law as it is with criminals, though.

Meanwhile I've heard they put their best elements in the tv license stazi, would that be correct? I've heard this much was enforced correctly but I might have been bamboozled.

[QUOTE=Scarabix;51901530]Meanwhile I've heard they put their best elements in the tv license stazi, would that be correct? I've heard this much was enforced correctly but I might have been bamboozled.[/QUOTE] TV licencing people don't have any authority, they're only allowed your house if you give them permission. At most they send you a constant barrage of letters telling you to buy a licence or face court action, but they never follow it up, they just send more letters.

[QUOTE=Scarabix;51901530]Meanwhile I've heard they put their best elements in the tv license stazi, would that be correct? I've heard this much was enforced correctly but I might have been bamboozled.[/QUOTE] Literally less than a week after moving into my flat I had a letter from them saying they would be sending over officers of some sort, so I suppose you are right in a way. I then got Sky TV so the dish was a bit of a giveaway so can't go without paying now

All I've had is the university telling me I need to get a TV licence even though I don't own a TV or use iPlayer or anything like that.

[QUOTE=Coffee;51898884]Why don't the government give them more funding? Why don't the government give the NHS more funding? Why don't the government scrap Trident and use the money to improve the country?[/QUOTE] why don't the government stop overseas aid and help their own population 1st?

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51902024]why don't the government stop overseas aid and help their own population 1st?[/QUOTE] funny how people who usually don't give a solitary shit about the less fortunate are suddenly champions of helping the downtrodden the moment they can put some kind of xenophobic spin on it. [url]http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/we-need-to-look-after-our-own-first-say-people-who-would-never-help-anyone-20150907101741[/url]

[QUOTE=fulgrim;51901056]When my girlfriend worked in a petrol station, she had a group of men that would pull up in their car several times a week, one would get out and look intimidating, and another would fill up the car, then they would jump in the car and drive off without paying. When she called the police they never responded. They would ask if anyone was assaulted, she would say no, they would say there was nothing they could do. One week she was ringing them up, and they actually asked for the reg number, she was told not to approach the guys under any circumstances as they are known to carry firearms, and have been involved in armed robbery previously. It was around this point she was taught how to lock the pumps, just after learning the guy could potentially shoot her if she did. My girlfriend's work got robbed by 4 dudes with guns several times a week for the entire time she was well enough to work there and the police didn't show up once. A guy in my block of flats had his car vandalised in full view of around 10 cctv cameras, police didn't have the resources to look at the footage. A whole street of cars, including some kind of vintage treasure (not really a car person but the local paper and radio put stress on just how valuable this thing was), got torched by a group of chavs, residents just had to sit inside and watch their cars burn because the police wouldn't show up. Our country is being gutted by our current government. something has to change because we are in trouble here.[/QUOTE] criminals round your way must be fucking dumb if they keep committing crimes in their own cars. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=fulgrim;51902044]funny how people who usually don't give a solitary shit about the less fortunate are suddenly champions of helping the downtrodden the moment they can put some kind of xenophobic spin on it. [url]http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/we-need-to-look-after-our-own-first-say-people-who-would-never-help-anyone-20150907101741[/url][/QUOTE] lol, using obvious satire to debate is nearly as dumb as the folks who you live amongst.

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[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51902069]criminals round your way must be fucking dumb if they keep committing crimes in their own cars.[/QUOTE] Could be, I mean they are also standing around in full view of cameras with their faces on show. Maybe they just know nothing will be done about it. If they are known to the police and still robbing the same petrol station between 2 and 4 times a week, with no repercussions, they aren't exactly wrong. [QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51902069]lol, using obvious satire to debate is nearly as dumb as the folks who you live amongst.[/QUOTE] Actually I was using obvious satire to mock a very common and hollow bit of rhetoric.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;51902134]Could be, I mean they are also standing around in full view of cameras with their faces on show. Maybe they just know nothing will be done about it. If they are known to the police and still robbing the same petrol station between 2 and 4 times a week, with no repercussions, they aren't exactly wrong. Actually I was using obvious satire to mock a very common and hollow bit of rhetoric.[/QUOTE] once coffee started I couldn't help myself.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;51901124]Also touching on the subject of firearms ownership, It's not as hard as you think over here. I could get hold of a legal shotgun easily enough, I would just have to show I had a secure place to store it, pay some cash, and pass some background checks. Out of those, the only obstacle for a law abiding citizen like me is money, and I'm fairly sure you don't hand out guns for free to the less fortunate in the US.[/QUOTE] You're neglecting to mention how hard the law fucks people for using it in self-defence, even if it's just brandishing it. [editline]3rd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr Kotov;51899383]tbh I'm not a fan of having guns in the UK. I mean sure you'll be able to defend yourself but it's gonna be easier for criminals to get hold of guns as well - I'm not discussing America here but what I think would likely happen in the UK. There's enough sawn-off shotguns knocking about some parts. My ex-girlfriend's work got robbed once - they just handed them the cash because company policy was to basically give criminals what they wanted. She's trained in martial arts and says she thinks she could easily have handled him with the rest of the staff but they're not allowed to.[/QUOTE] They're already easy for them to get a hold of, they'd just be given a reason to do so

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51901144]No, but you can find a shitty old revolver that will still shoot for $50 in the US, and you don't have to pay licensing fees, course fees, purchase a safe before even getting your gun license, and then prove to the police that you are "of good character" (an entirely arbitrary thing) and have the safe bolted to the wall like you do in the UK before you can buy a rifle, because you can't even get a pistol there unless you're in North Ireland or the Isle of Mann. Also the last case I recall hearing of a farmer defending himself with a shotgun in the UK led to that farmer being charged for it, despite it being a very clear situation where he was in the right.[/QUOTE] Can't have been in the right then. Shooting a person with a legal firearms licence and legally owned firearm is completely legal [url]http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/judge-tells-burglars-shot-chance-pair-jailed/story-16994894-detail/story.html[/url] and indeed on the UK law website itelf it's clearly defined [url]https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html[/url], you just have to have a legit reason to do so and enough proof to back it up, the previous example in this thread as was pointed out is a well known case from nearly 20 years ago where the Farmer owned an [b]illegal firearm without a gun licence[/b] And shot 5 times into the dark, 2 times while the intruders were actively fleeing the scene, there was also credible evidence given by the farmer himself that suggested he lay in wait for the burglars to enter rather than firing a warning shot prior to their entry. That entire case with all the facts laid out put that death into pre meditated murder grounds (though it was downgraded to diminished responsibility, rightfully so IMO), it does not matter that the farmer was sick to death of being targetted by burglars, you can't just exact your own form of justice because the law is failing you, i'm well aware of the predicament that puts people under, but you don't just murder people cause you've had enough otherwsie we'd all be doing it. Sorry to drag this back up especailly into the gun debate but this case is always bought up by people who don't know enough about it either because they were too young or just went by what the rag tops said on the matter.

This is one of those situations that draw the line between incompetence and corrouption, a problem to solve or discipline. The public doesn't do well with those.

[QUOTE=Nitro836;51898993] I'd permit knives more, personally. Easy to carry and use, and equalizes most common assaults, fistfights, with mere presence. Nobody wants to get beat up, but nobody wants to get stabbed more.[/QUOTE] Knifes are equalizers? There are arguements for and against guns, I get that but there is no way that knives are equalizers. If you give a 90 year old woman a knife and a 20 year old guy a knife and tell them to defend their lives the 90 year old woman is going to die every time. In that same scenario if they both had guns they both have a fighting chance. Guns qualize everyone. Doesn't matter if you're elderly, young, sick, crippled or weak if you have a gun you have a equal fighting chance to defend your life. Knives are also awfully brutal. I've seen the results of knife attacks and holy shit I'd rather be shot any day over being stabbed. But I don't think adding knives to altercation is a reliable way to desescalate them and if you think self defense is a gray zone already good luck trying to defend yourself in court when you sliced up and disfigured your poor attacker. At least with pepper spray or tasers they're primarily defensive tools. You can use them maliciously but they're less than lethal and the likelyhood of killing, seriously injuring or disfiguring someone with pepper spray are very low. I don't get why your majesty doesn't let you folks get pepper spray at the very least. If they need to be anal about it fill out some paperwork to keep on record or do a background check to buy it, go to the police station to get a permit but jesus I don't get why things like pepper spray are treated like a menace to public safety. [editline]3rd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Doozle;51899249] And even if I was burgled, fucking take it, I don't wanna kill someone over some inanimate objects[/QUOTE] I'd wager to say most people acquire firearms not specifically to protect 'property' more so their life. Like, as someone to carries a gun everyday, is an armed security guard and works with a firearm I'd never shoot someone over larceny. [i]Unless[/i] the larceny had the potential to endanger your life. For example, carjacking or armed robbery. This is why you want a gun, not to shoot criminals over taking your xbox. To shoot criminals over taking your life. You're innocent, you did not provoke or invite violence on your life and you're morally and legally justified to defend your life against an aggressor who means to seriously injury or kill you. I'd agree that if someone breaks in your house, and they just take your TV and some jewelry it's usually not important enough to shoot them over and put yourself through the trauma and legal repercussions of taking that shot. The real danger, the real concern is when a criminal who has already acted unreasonably by breaking into your house also expresses intent to harm you. If someone has already broken into your house, and you're not going to fight them they could potentially harm you as well. If they are armed with a knife, or a club or something for example and you're a woman alone in the house when they break in there is nothing stopping them from raping and killing the homeowner if that's what they feel like doing. You're at their mercy. It's not beyond imagination that you'lll be tormented and tortured for literally no reason. There are plenty of documented horror stories, nightmares of people being horribly brutalized for no reason. There are evil people out in the world and if they lack the empathy to be able to wantonly burglarized or rob you it's not beyond the realm of possibility they'd deliver you physical harm or kill you. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders[/url]