This is why I don't trust GM food;
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto[/url]
[url]http://web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/index.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;39328859]This is why I don't trust GM food;
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto[/url]
[url]http://web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Ok, can you explain why the actual concept of GM food itself is bad?
As in, why is it not advised to eat something that humans have deliberately changed the genetic code of?
the distrust for GM food comes not from the distrust of the process itself but of what they modify the food [I]for[/I]. most vegetables become genetically modified to be resistant to extremely poisonous pesticides and herbicides like roundup etc, and then they fucking douse the crops in them. when that happens, trace amounts of the product become absorbed into the plant, and while gm food hasn't been around long enough to see the effects yet, i'm sure that sustained exposure to those trace chemicals can have long term detrimental effects.
i have no issue with gm food as long as it's done safely. the problem surrounding the research right now is that there's practically no impartial studies being done about it - all of the organizations that publish work supporting GM food crops come from food producers that are actively investing in GM, and all of the published works that come out against the GM food crops come from organic food producers
The difference in quality from GM food to non-GM, (not even organic) is vast.
From working at restaurants I can tell you that a good ol' regular tomato has five times more flavor compared to an oversized, cold weather resistant GM tomato.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39326173]I really don't get this ridiculous stigma against gm food. People don't seem to realize the immense amount of testing the food has to go through before it is even allowed to exist in countries like America. They also don't seem to realize that this kind of fear-mongering has directly resulted in starvation as quite a few countries suffering famine have banned the food.[/QUOTE]
Eh, testing for GM food is a joke considering the revolving door between the EPA, FDA, and the interested parties. That said, there's nothing wrong with GM food that's properly tested and anyone arguing against it is simply a luddite.
gm'd food is actually a really big break in biological sciences imo
too bad i cant eat salmon or ill be betraying my goldfish
I have no research to back my beliefs (and that's all they are - beliefs), but since I stopped eating processed, GMO foods, my body has made incredible transformations. I wasn't one to eat fast food before, but I did buy and cook GMO foods from your everyday supermarket. Once I started eating all natural, organic foods from local farmer's markets and organic markets such as Jimbos, quite a few things happened.
My digestive system improved significantly; I used to have digestive issues such as heartburn, acid reflux, and indigestion. These problems all but disappeared.
I had acne for over 4 years, but one month into my dietary change I stopped breaking out.
My energy level and overall happiness increased. This was noted not only by myself, but by my coworkers, friends, and family.
I'm not saying GMO foods are bad and that you shouldn't eat them, but personally, I'll continue to eat only organic foods as it has had an amazing positive impact on my health. Just my $.2.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39330856]I have no research to back my beliefs (and that's all they are - beliefs), but since I stopped eating processed, GMO foods, my body has made incredible transformations. I wasn't one to eat fast food before, but I did buy and cook GMO foods from your everyday supermarket. Once I started eating all natural, organic foods from local farmer's markets and organic markets such as Jimbos, quite a few things happened.
My digestive system improved significantly; I used to have digestive issues such as heartburn, acid reflux, and indigestion. These problems all but disappeared.
I had acne for over 4 years, but one month into my dietary change I stopped breaking out.
My energy level and overall happiness increased. This was noted not only by myself, but by my coworkers, friends, and family.
I'm not saying GMO foods are bad and that you shouldn't eat them, but personally, I'll continue to eat only organic foods as it has had an amazing positive impact on my health. Just my $.2.[/QUOTE]
correlation =/= causation
if you had a long-term study and a large base of people who have had the exact same thing happen, it'd be valid.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39326173]I really don't get this ridiculous stigma against gm food. People don't seem to realize the immense amount of testing the food has to go through before it is even allowed to exist in countries like America. They also don't seem to realize that this kind of fear-mongering has directly resulted in starvation as quite a few countries suffering famine have banned the food.[/QUOTE]
Actually this isn't totally true
Catfish is a perfect example. Most of the worlds catfish comes from catfish farms in indonesia/thailand/etc, where the pools the catfish are bred in are literally filthy, they pump the ecosystem and pools around it with many pesticides and hormones that are banned in the US, and the farms are one of the main causes of deforestation in the region (via slash and burning alone, this region has some of the highest Co2 emissions).
As catfish, this product is banned in the US because it obviously doesn't meet the standards of inspection for catfish (by using pesticides/hormones banned in the US, for US-grown fish).
However, we still get this catfish in the US. How? Because the fish gets techniically classified as Swai or Basa. Since there are no "regulations" of Swai or Basa, it goes right through. Once they start regulating under new names, they change the name again. "Swai catfish" or "basa catfish" are the same thing as normal catfish. However they come from thailand/indonesian fish farms, and the reason they are named that is so they can get past US customs and avoid the heavy catfish regulation. Just go to you local grocery store and check out the catfish - almost all of it will likely be called swai/basa and come from these regions.
This is done with TONS of food (coffee, for example, which doesn't have many regulations since we technically don't consume coffee beans directly). Shrimp are the same exact thing - almost no shrimp in the world is wild caught and most of it comes from places like indonesia/thailand.
The biggest problem GM food itself offers is the fact that often, such things are introduced VERY poorly in poor countries, where they become invasive species. This is what has happened to Lake Victoria in africa as well as the Aral sea in central asia. There's a huge amount of issues involved with GM food/crops that don't have anything to do with the actual consumption of it (such as, if you want to be a successful farmer in a 3rd world country, you are basically forced under contract to use a specific manufacturer's GM crops and it can break the bank, as well as be highly toxic to the enviornment depending on what it is and how you need to take care of it).
The biggest problem with GM food is pretty much that most of it that gets exploited isn't very regulated at all, and is easy to get around regulations. GM food wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal if it was actually all "made in america" and "heavily inspected" as a result of that, but fact is most of it isn't, and there's no telling what actually gets into the fish/food that GM food is primarily used for.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39330856]I have no research to back my beliefs (and that's all they are - beliefs), but since I stopped eating processed, GMO foods, my body has made incredible transformations. I wasn't one to eat fast food before, but I did buy and cook GMO foods from your everyday supermarket. Once I started eating all natural, organic foods from local farmer's markets and organic markets such as Jimbos, quite a few things happened.
My digestive system improved significantly; I used to have digestive issues such as heartburn, acid reflux, and indigestion. These problems all but disappeared.
I had acne for over 4 years, but one month into my dietary change I stopped breaking out.
My energy level and overall happiness increased. This was noted not only by myself, but by my coworkers, friends, and family.
I'm not saying GMO foods are bad and that you shouldn't eat them, but personally, I'll continue to eat only organic foods as it has had an amazing positive impact on my health. Just my $.2.[/QUOTE]
Fun fact: this exact anecdote went around in the 50s regarding microwaved food. Psychological profiles of consumers suggest [URL="http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/34457/1/04040351.pdf"]you're afraid of change and easily frightened[/URL] and the story is probably bullshit.
Of course, it might not be, but you should be aware you sound like a stereotype with legs.
[QUOTE=KorJax;39331060]Actually this isn't totally true
Catfish is a perfect example. Most of the worlds catfish comes from catfish farms in indonesia/thailand/etc, where the pools the catfish are bred in are literally filthy, they pump the ecosystem and pools around it with many pesticides and hormones that are banned in the US, and the farms are one of the main causes of deforestation in the region (via slash and burning alone, this region has some of the highest Co2 emissions).
As catfish, this product is banned in the US because it obviously doesn't meet the standards of inspection for catfish (by using pesticides/hormones banned in the US, for US-grown fish).
However, we still get this catfish in the US. How? Because the fish gets techniically classified as Swai or Basa. Since there are no "regulations" of Swai or Basa, it goes right through. Once they start regulating under new names, they change the name again. "Swai catfish" or "basa catfish" are the same thing as normal catfish. However they come from thailand/indonesian fish farms, and the reason they are named that is so they can get past US customs and avoid the heavy catfish regulation. Just go to you local grocery store and check out the catfish - almost all of it will likely be called swai/basa and come from these regions.
This is done with TONS of food (coffee, for example, which doesn't have many regulations since we technically don't consume coffee beans directly). Shrimp are the same exact thing - almost no shrimp in the world is wild caught and most of it comes from places like indonesia/thailand.
The biggest problem GM food itself offers is the fact that often, such things are introduced VERY poorly in poor countries, where they become invasive species. This is what has happened to Lake Victoria in africa as well as the Aral sea in central asia. There's a huge amount of issues involved with GM food/crops that don't have anything to do with the actual consumption of it (such as, if you want to be a successful farmer in a 3rd world country, you are basically forced under contract to use a specific manufacturer's GM crops and it can break the bank, as well as be highly toxic to the enviornment depending on what it is and how you need to take care of it).
The biggest problem with GM food is pretty much that most of it that gets exploited isn't very regulated at all, and is easy to get around regulations. GM food wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal if it was actually all "made in america" and "heavily inspected" as a result of that, but fact is most of it isn't, and there's no telling what actually gets into the fish/food that GM food is primarily used for.[/QUOTE]
Farmed shrimp and wild harvested shrimp are almost equal. Though you're right that farming is now overtaking fishing as the main supplier while fishing is on the decline. Shrimping is still one of the Gulf Coasts biggest commodities.
[QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;39328859]This is why I don't trust GM food;
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto[/url]
[url]http://web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]
This.
I don't give a shit about GM food as long as you aren't genetically modifying it to act as a giant gay bomb or whatever, but the minute some animal rights activist decides to kidnap one of those and release it into a river you'll have some company suing pretty much every salmon farmer in the US about some patent case.
Still much prefer to eat food which isn't GM
[QUOTE=zombojoe;39330296]The difference in quality from GM food to non-GM, (not even organic) is vast.
From working at restaurants I can tell you that a good ol' regular tomato has five times more flavor compared to an oversized, cold weather resistant GM tomato.[/QUOTE]
Not actually true.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZEB6w4nHG1c#t=675s[/url]
[QUOTE=zombojoe;39330296]The difference in quality from GM food to non-GM, (not even organic) is vast.
From working at restaurants I can tell you that a good ol' regular tomato has five times more flavor compared to an oversized, cold weather resistant GM tomato.[/QUOTE]
I call bullshit. These guys do too.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ET7Xv2m9k[/media]
[QUOTE=Mattk50;39331638]I call bullshit. These guys do too.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ET7Xv2m9k[/media][/QUOTE]
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
goddamnit
[QUOTE=GunFox;39331634]Not actually true.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZEB6w4nHG1c#t=675s[/url][/QUOTE]
You call that evidence enough to say 'that is not true'?
Looks like a couple of people tasting food to me.
I know there is a lot of P&T kiss-assing on this forum so roll on the dumbs.
[QUOTE=OvB;39331404]Farmed shrimp and wild harvested shrimp are almost equal. Though you're right that farming is now overtaking fishing as the main supplier while fishing is on the decline. Shrimping is still one of the Gulf Coasts biggest commodities.[/QUOTE]
The shrimp itself are the same yes, but you have to admit there is going to be a difference between wild shrimp and shirmp farmed in pools with bad hygene conditions, cancer-causing pesticides, and with hormone treatment involved. Most of the worlds "farmed" shrimp comes from conditions like this.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39331011]correlation =/= causation
if you had a long-term study and a large base of people who have had the exact same thing happen, it'd be valid.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;39331286]Fun fact: this exact anecdote went around in the 50s regarding microwaved food. Psychological profiles of consumers suggest [URL="http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/34457/1/04040351.pdf"]you're afraid of change and easily frightened[/URL] and the story is probably bullshit.
Of course, it might not be, but you should be aware you sound like a stereotype with legs.[/QUOTE]
It's an opinion; it's neither valid nor invalid, right or wrong. It's made changes to my life for on a positive note, why is that a problem just because you don't believe it to be possible? I never said the food was bad or that it causes problems, just that ceasing to eat it (for me) made improvements.
[QUOTE=brawl;39331868]You call that evidence enough to say 'that is not true'?
Looks like a couple of people tasting food to me.
I know there is a lot of P&T kiss-assing on this forum so roll on the dumbs.[/QUOTE]
Then why isnt there any scientific evidence backing you up if there's apparently orders of magnitude of difference.
Mmm nom nom i like salmon
I got an email from some group asking me to sign a petition to stop this stuff. Their argument was basically "as we all know, GM food is bad" without giving any reasons at all, aside from "we don't know what it will do" and "if it gets out into the wild it might kill off the other salmon for some reason" :v:
[QUOTE=Aetna;39331883]I never said the food was bad or that it causes problems, just that ceasing to eat it (for me) made improvements.[/QUOTE]
Did it? I seriously doubt a simple switch to one food to another would do that.
Did anything else happen at the same time? Did the switch to "healthier" food coincide with a switch to more exercise or watching what you ate?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39331998]Did it? I seriously doubt a simple switch to one food to another would do that.
Did anything else happen at the same time? Did the switch to "healthier" food coincide with a switch to more exercise or watching what you ate?[/QUOTE]
Nope, I don't exercise. I work in an office where I sit for 8 hours everyday at a desk. The most exercise I get is working on my car or bike. I generally cook my own foods which often include your basic groups, such as poultry, greens, dairy, and bread. I may have spiced it up with some new recipes, but the general meals stayed the same. All I know is that I no longer have to take tums and lather my face with acne medication every morning and evening. It's possible that when my complexion cleared up and I was no longer spending a good hour everyday focusing on how foul my stomach felt that that increased my happiness.
Oh - and I didn't drink soda before (coffee sparingly) and that hasn't changed either.
I like GM foods, it's like installing mods for your crops.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;39331907]Then why isnt there any scientific evidence backing you up if there's apparently orders of magnitude of difference.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say there was a difference?
I just disagree with that video being conclusive evidence. The same would go both ways (if the guy could 'tell the difference').
[QUOTE=Aetna;39330856]I have no research to back my beliefs (and that's all they are - beliefs), but since I stopped eating processed, GMO foods, my body has made incredible transformations. I wasn't one to eat fast food before, but I did buy and cook GMO foods from your everyday supermarket. Once I started eating all natural, organic foods from local farmer's markets and organic markets such as Jimbos, quite a few things happened.
My digestive system improved significantly; I used to have digestive issues such as heartburn, acid reflux, and indigestion. These problems all but disappeared.
I had acne for over 4 years, but one month into my dietary change I stopped breaking out.
My energy level and overall happiness increased. This was noted not only by myself, but by my coworkers, friends, and family.
I'm not saying GMO foods are bad and that you shouldn't eat them, but personally, I'll continue to eat only organic foods as it has had an amazing positive impact on my health. Just my $.2.[/QUOTE]
Oh hey, a hippie.
Got some dank for sale?
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