Salmon steak from GM fish could soon be on your plate
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[QUOTE=Aetna;39330856]I have no research to back my beliefs (and that's all they are - beliefs), but since I stopped eating processed, GMO foods, my body has made incredible transformations. I wasn't one to eat fast food before, but I did buy and cook GMO foods from your everyday supermarket. Once I started eating all natural, organic foods from local farmer's markets and organic markets such as Jimbos, quite a few things happened.
My digestive system improved significantly; I used to have digestive issues such as heartburn, acid reflux, and indigestion. These problems all but disappeared.
I had acne for over 4 years, but one month into my dietary change I stopped breaking out.
My energy level and overall happiness increased. This was noted not only by myself, but by my coworkers, friends, and family.
I'm not saying GMO foods are bad and that you shouldn't eat them, but personally, I'll continue to eat only organic foods as it has had an amazing positive impact on my health. Just my $.2.[/QUOTE]
or maybe you just stop eating shit and you felt better in general?
[QUOTE=Van-man;39332107]Oh hey, a hippie.
Got some dank for sale?[/QUOTE]
What does eating organic foods have anything to do with being a hippie? Were I wearing clothes I'd made with my own hands and touring the country with a rainbow tribe maybe that'd be a valid statement.
[editline]23rd January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39332147]or maybe you just stop eating shit and you felt better in general?[/QUOTE]
I eat the same dishes, just with organic ingredients. As I said, I didn't eat fast food before, my meals were all home prepared.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39332150]I eat the same dishes, just with organic ingredients. As I said, I didn't eat fast food before, my meals were all home prepared.[/QUOTE]
a good fraction of the time, the 'it's organic' advertising is just feel-good stuff
ofc, anything fresh will taste fantastic right off the bat, but the 'organic' deal is honestly just a money-grabbing scheme to take advantage of how much money you want to put towards your grocery list
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39332189]a good fraction of the time, the 'it's organic' advertising is just feel-good stuff[/QUOTE]
Eh, my vegetables I buy from local farmers at farmer's markets and grow some of my own in a community garden that doesn't use pesticides and I don't use modified seeds. The meat I buy from Jimbos and is grass fed and not hormone treated, same with the milk I buy. I can agree that most mainstream brands are full of shit.
[QUOTE=KorJax;39331874]The shrimp itself are the same yes, but you have to admit there is going to be a difference between wild shrimp and shirmp farmed in pools with bad hygene conditions, cancer-causing pesticides, and with hormone treatment involved. Most of the worlds "farmed" shrimp comes from conditions like this.[/QUOTE]
I meant that the amount of shrimp harvested from either source are about equal. They will most likely taste different because of the environmental factors like you said. I wouldn't know. I'm allergic to shrimp.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39332189]a good fraction of the time, the 'it's organic' advertising is just feel-good stuff
ofc, anything fresh will taste fantastic right off the bat, but the 'organic' deal is honestly just a money-grabbing scheme to take advantage of how much money you want to put towards your grocery list[/QUOTE]
I agree that you can't blindly trust in 'Organic', although there is a lot of good Organic food. What you need is transparency, to know where and how stuff is grown for yourself, or else a trustworthy standard that guarantees the quality of the food. Sadly Organic standards - standards in general - are not all created equal.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39331883]It's an opinion[/QUOTE]
Opinions are not immune to criticism, no matter what you were told in kindergarten. Your opinion can be wrong, misguided, stupid, and any other number of things. It's not a subjective stance on something, you made a statement that you attribute a very real effect to something nobody can actually observe causing that effect.
Your opinion is invalid and you sound like a cliche. I'm just giving you the heads up, whether or not you feel like living in a daydream is up to you.
[QUOTE=Van-man;39332107]Oh hey, a hippie.
Got some dank for sale?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, how does eating organic food make me a hippie?
I don't care for organic or not, as long as it is fresh and tastes good in my plate. The only time where it's really good is when you grow the crop yourself and eat them freshly cleaned outta the yard.
I don't like paying more for the same things, I'd prefer have more for the same price.
I buy most of my meat at the butchers, and veggies at the grocery, even on rebate, sometime I even buy frozen veggies for convenience and they taste GOOD.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;39332731]Opinions are not immune to criticism, no matter what you were told in kindergarten. Your opinion can be wrong, misguided, stupid, and any other number of things. It's not a subjective stance on something, you made a statement that you attribute a very real effect to something nobody can actually observe causing that effect.
Your opinion is invalid and you sound like a cliche. I'm just giving you the heads up, whether or not you feel like living in a daydream is up to you.[/QUOTE]
My opinion that I feel healthier because I eat organic food is invalid? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39333015]My opinion that I feel healthier because I eat organic food is invalid? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Well you can say you feel healthier, and you can say you've been eating more organic food, but whether or not you feel healthier *because* of eating organic food is something that can be either true or false.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39333216]Well you can say you feel healthier, and you can say you've been eating more organic food, but whether or not you feel healthier *because* of eating organic food is something that can be either true or false.[/QUOTE]
There's no proof that it's false, nor proof that it's true. I have evidence that improvements happened with my body as the same time I began eating organic. I suppose it could just be a massive coincidence, but I had problems with acne for years until I began eating organic. Call it placebo, call it bullshit or fake, the opinions of others are irrelevant as long as it works for me. I'm not hurting anyone by eating organic nor do I force or try to convince others to eat organic, I've merely expressed how I feel about the topic and have been met with a lot of unnecessary negativity strictly due to varying opinions on the subject. I will say, however, that until a person tries it for themselves, they don't have a whole lot of room to say that I'm completely wrong.
If it's a daydream, it's a nice one, and no one is being effected poorly by me living in it. Furthermore, nowhere did I say that there's anything wrong with GMO foods - you can quote me on that. People can and will continue to eat them, and that's totally cool.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39330856]I have no research to back my beliefs (and that's all they are - beliefs), but since I stopped eating processed, GMO foods, my body has made incredible transformations. I wasn't one to eat fast food before, but I did buy and cook GMO foods from your everyday supermarket. Once I started eating all natural, organic foods from local farmer's markets and organic markets such as Jimbos, quite a few things happened.
My digestive system improved significantly; I used to have digestive issues such as heartburn, acid reflux, and indigestion. These problems all but disappeared.
I had acne for over 4 years, but one month into my dietary change I stopped breaking out.
My energy level and overall happiness increased. This was noted not only by myself, but by my coworkers, friends, and family.
I'm not saying GMO foods are bad and that you shouldn't eat them, but personally, I'll continue to eat only organic foods as it has had an amazing positive impact on my health. Just my $.2.[/QUOTE]
moving from gm foods to farmers market produced food has basically no difference, you're probably just eating a more natural diet without processed foods (gm =/= processed) that consists of more whole vegetables / fruits / meats. if you're eating chips / dips / things that you couldn't make yourself relatively easily, yes, you will experience the symptoms you're talking about
the general rule of thumb is if you cant make it you shouldn't eat it on a regular basis
[editline]23rd January 2013[/editline]
also there's the whole thing that portion size will go down when you consume more expensive luxury food items which is a healthier diet which makes you feel better
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;39329020]the distrust for GM food comes not from the distrust of the process itself but of what they modify the food [I]for[/I]. most vegetables become genetically modified to be resistant to extremely poisonous pesticides and herbicides like roundup etc, and then they fucking douse the crops in them. when that happens, trace amounts of the product become absorbed into the plant, and while gm food hasn't been around long enough to see the effects yet, i'm sure that sustained exposure to those trace chemicals can have long term detrimental effects.
i have no issue with gm food as long as it's done safely. the problem surrounding the research right now is that there's practically no impartial studies being done about it - all of the organizations that publish work supporting GM food crops come from food producers that are actively investing in GM, and all of the published works that come out against the GM food crops come from organic food producers[/QUOTE]
Is it not also the case that GM food is much more susceptible to diseases/insects/etc than non-GM food, basically making the heavy use of pesticides necessary?
[QUOTE=Aetna;39333406]There's no proof that it's false, nor proof that it's true. I have evidence that improvements happened with my body as the same time I began eating organic. I suppose it could just be a massive coincidence, but I had problems with acne for years until I began eating organic. Call it placebo, call it bullshit or fake, the opinions of others are irrelevant as long as it works for me. I'm not hurting anyone by eating organic nor do I force or try to convince others to eat organic, I've merely expressed how I feel about the topic and have been met with a lot of unnecessary negativity strictly due to varying opinions on the subject. I will say, however, that until a person tries it for themselves, they don't have a whole lot of room to say that I'm completely wrong.
If it's a daydream, it's a nice one, and no one is being effected poorly by me living in it. Furthermore, nowhere did I say that there's anything wrong with GMO foods - you can quote me on that. People can and will continue to eat them, and that's totally cool.[/QUOTE]
regardless of how it works for you, and how good and natural it may be and how much it helps a persons body out, this will never be supportable on a wide scale.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39333794]regardless of how it works for you, and how good and natural it may be and how much it helps a persons body out, this will never be supportable on a wide scale.[/QUOTE]
That's fine and dandy with me, I never said that people should be forced to eat organic, they can choose to eat how they want. I merely expressed the differences it made for me. People seem to have a hard time accepting that someone wants to do something different than them for varying reasons. People should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies, just as they should be allowed to have different religious ideals than one another. This is no different than how your average FP member will flame someone who believes in god, strictly because there are no scientific points of his existence. Does it really matter at the end of the day? Are people so negatively effected because I choose to eat differently? It's a really silly topic to argue about.
I tried some organic chips one time.
Tasted bitter.
First thought was that it was the taste of old fashion pesticide.
[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]
P.S. I know how it smells like as my uncle is a farmer.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39333593]Is it not also the case that GM food is much more susceptible to diseases/insects/etc than non-GM food, basically making the heavy use of pesticides necessary?[/QUOTE]
No, that's effectively the opposite of the case in reality.
Genetically modified food is designed for growing on cheaply on mass scales, which requires either resistance to diseases and pests or the ability to resist harm caused by alternative methods of negating diseases and pests. If they were somehow more susceptible to diseases Monsanto wouldn't be the one making the most bank on corn, DuPont would. That's not how the pricing works. The plants pay for themselves to such a ludicrous degree that companies need to go out of their way to make sure they're still regularly being paid for seed, and the same goes for everything else.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39333838]It's a really silly topic to argue about.[/QUOTE]
Yet here you are, arguing about it. If you don't care then fuck off.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1nxaQhsaaw[/media]
This is so fucking relevant.
Dear fuck, why is it people are afraid of GM stuff? If anything, it's much, much healthier than non-gm, hormone-based equivilants. You do not feed the animal or spray the crop with anything unnatural, you simply modify the genes of the animal or plant to be better suited for what you want. It's not that scary. Hell, I've done genetic modification in fuckin' high school biology class.
[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]
I would much, much rather have food that is modified to be naturally resistant to various things, instead of non-modified food that needs poison to survive.
[QUOTE=GunFox;39331634]Not actually true.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZEB6w4nHG1c#t=675s[/url][/QUOTE]
I've tasted the difference first-hand.
[quote]According to Aqua Bounty, the engineered salmon are all female, sterile, and raised in physically contained facilities, so the chance of the fish breeding in the wild is negligible.[/quote]
At least until some shithead eco-terrorist breaks into a research center and released them into the wild, right? :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;39339300]At least until some shithead eco-terrorist breaks into a research center and released them into the wild, right? :v:[/QUOTE]
28 months later is gonna be weird.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;39339300]At least until some shithead eco-terrorist breaks into a research center and released them into the wild, right? :v:[/QUOTE]
so it would swim around and die after a bit, it can't breed so it wouldn't really do anything
[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=zombojoe;39339291]I've tasted the difference first-hand.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really have anything to do with GM food but what the modifications are meant to do. A GM tomato designed to get huge and sell for a ton due to the size will not taste as good, but you can GM the tomato to simply be hardier or other simple changes and just as good (or better).
[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]
Unfortunately if you're genetically modifying food you're probably going to just go for quantity, but a crappy tasting tomato grown in the winter is better than a perfect tomato that won't grow at all!
In that case the shit in the supermarket is always going to taste terrible.
most tomatoes taste like shit because they're ripened with a gas process
not because they're GM or not
[QUOTE=Aetna;39331883]It's an opinion; it's neither valid nor invalid, right or wrong. It's made changes to my life for on a positive note, why is that a problem just because you don't believe it to be possible? I never said the food was bad or that it causes problems, just that ceasing to eat it (for me) made improvements.[/QUOTE]
yet you are implying to others that stopping eating GM food made you have better health. implications are the same as flat out statement, even if they're not obvious.
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