ISIS gives free bullets to foreign fighters who wants to leave. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kondor;46762889]but that isn't why they're there and now they want to come back because they're not fighting assad[/QUOTE] If this were 1942 and a bunch of British, French, Americans or Canadians decided to travel to Germany and join the Nazis, knowing full well what the Nazis were up to around that time, then decided they didn't want to be a part of it anymore for whatever reason, would you still be okay with them returning? They are traitors contributing to war crimes and acts of genocide, sometimes directly. If they were to return to their 'home' countries, they are enemy combatants who are surrendering and they should absolutely be treated as such. Aside from that, I can't say it's a bad thing ISIS is killing it's own fighters, not good for morale knowing you're going to be executed if you attempt to surrender and those who may be thinking of joining ISIS may think twice, so in effect ISIS is getting rid of two fighters, the one they kill and the one who doesn't arrive.

[QUOTE=Kondor;46762868]some people move country and then move back should they also not be allowed back for biting the hand that fed them, oh also it isn't all generosity and good will that's what taxes pay for[/QUOTE] Emigration is not the same as joining a terrorist organisation.

I know this is an unpopular opinion but i think they should be offered amnesty if they leave. Most of them are just Kids that were looking to rebel then got a shock when they saw the true brutality of what they were supporting.

[QUOTE=Superkilll307;46763140]I know this is an unpopular opinion but i think they should be offered amnesty if they leave. Most of them are just Kids that were looking to rebel then got a shock when they saw the true brutality of what they were supporting.[/QUOTE] They saw the headlines and videos, they knew [I][B]exactly[/B][/I] what they were heading into. I, for one, would not want somebody that once thought [I]"Hey, they're beheading people. I should join these barbarians!"[/I] at one point in time living in my neighborhood, city, or country. If they at one point deemed it acceptable, who's to say they won't again? Age is of no relevance here.

[QUOTE=Superkilll307;46763140]I know this is an unpopular opinion but i think they should be offered amnesty if they leave. Most of them are just Kids that were looking to rebel then got a shock when they saw the true brutality of what they were supporting.[/QUOTE] I refer to my previous post. [QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46762915]To want to join ISIS. You must be aware of ISIS. To be aware of ISIS you KNOW of the acts they commit. It's impossible to NOT know the shit ISIS does. Cause it's plastered all over the goddamn media.[/QUOTE] They all know EXACTLY what they are getting into.

[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46762836] I'd say fuck em. They gave up their human rights card. [/QUOTE] beyond being one of the most idiotic things i have read in a long time

[QUOTE=.Lain;46763406]beyond being one of the most idiotic things i have read in a long time[/QUOTE] Refer to later post on the subject. [QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46762937]Agreed. It was more of a bad taste of wording on my behalf in that instance. It was just the only way I could think of to try and convey my thoughts on it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kondor;46762715]people don't deserve to die because of blind ideals[/QUOTE] If you follow those blind ideals and go kill innocent people (or try to), then yes, you deserve to die. And if you go, don't come back, you picked your side. If we could throw the returners back to ISIS I'd be at least half tempted, but sticking them in jail is the next best thing. Don't plead "young and stupid", I'm still young, certainly done some stupid things but never anything remotely approaching that.

Been said before, these people knew what they were getting into and it's time for them and others like them to wisen the fuck up. They are not children, they will not get away with joining a terror group so indeed they can expect a healthy sentence if they return to their country of origin from IS. If I had it my way I wouldn't let them back in at all, especially since we gave a lot of those refugees and asylum seekers houses, cars etc only to have it thrown back in our faces.

I've read from activists within Raqqa (probably the most anti ISIS people out there) that this is just false disinformation. [quote]A large number of foreigners who join IS ranks do as they please. traveling, getting married, playing solider when they please. IS is trying to put a stop to it by forcing them to register and assigning them to brigades with restrictions, they are basically trying to build a formal army. "Reports about #ISIS killing 100 of its members in #Raqqa are all false,. The IS military police conducted a an arrest campaign targeting all the fighters who do not have an official mission. We have previously reported the incident on our website."[/quote] Although this sorta thing probably does happen the recent "HUNDREDS!" of ISIS members just seems like propaganda.

[QUOTE=Robber;46762708]I honestly can't imagine what goes through the head of someone sitting at home in a nice first world country, reading headlines like "ISIS beheads several kids" and thinking "Yes, that sounds like fun. I want to participate in that". [editline]21st December 2014[/editline] I have absolutely no sympathy for them.[/QUOTE] The thought is "yeah, this is what my holy book is saying, finally a group which is willing to fight for god."

[QUOTE=Aman;46764357]I've read from activists within Raqqa (probably the most anti ISIS people out there) that this is just false disinformation. Although this sorta thing probably does happen the recent "HUNDREDS!" of ISIS members just seems like propaganda.[/QUOTE] Or maybe they're releasing propaganda of their own? Regardless they're still shit heads.

[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46762872]There is a PROFOUND difference between say. Moving from England to Canada. Cause you wanted to see if the job prospects were better, or for another career prospect that simply didn't work out so well. And moving to the middle east to murder, behead, rape and godknows what else. Small children, women and other men.[/QUOTE] Your posts are really hard to read because of how you use full stops. Stop fucking that up.

[QUOTE=Kondor;46762889]but that isn't why they're there and now they want to come back because they're not fighting assad[/QUOTE] Let's take a second here and think about this. ISIS releases tons of videos and photos of what they do. Beheadings, drive-bys, mass executions of civilians/police, culling those who will not convert to their cause, etc. And the ONE thing they're doing that you think justifies joining them at all is because "they [i]might[/i] get to fight Assad"? [QUOTE=Kondor;46762901]does being a christian put you on the same level as the minority of christians in africa who burn homosexuals alive?[/QUOTE] If I were Christian and flew all the way over to Africa to partake in what they were doing, then yes. That you're now attempting to make a blanket statement makes you just as hypocritical as those who lump all Muslims into the radicalist/extremist group based on the actions of said groups.

[QUOTE=Superkilll307;46763140] Most of them are just Kids that were looking to rebel then got a shock when they saw the true brutality of what they were supporting.[/QUOTE] And that shock was so fucking overwhelming that they've just gone and started murdering, torturing, raping people, burning down their homes etc with the people they were shocked at. Sounds about right. And there's no claiming ignorance unless those volunteers came from some other third world country with no freely accessed mass media and internet. Otherwise you either have to be retarded to not look up what you're about to join, or to fully support what's happening.

Foreign Fighter "Okie, I go home now" :suicide:

That title was brilliant.

[QUOTE=sambooo;46764700]Your posts are really hard to read because of how you use full stops. Stop fucking that up.[/QUOTE] Not everyone has a firm grip on the English language. Ever figure that English isn't a native tongue to everyone? Or even punctuation for that matter.

good riddance, it's like an idiot cull

[QUOTE=Robber;46762708]I honestly can't imagine what goes through the head of someone sitting at home in a nice first world country, reading headlines like "ISIS beheads several kids" and thinking "Yes, that sounds like fun. I want to participate in that". [editline]21st December 2014[/editline] I have absolutely no sympathy for them.[/QUOTE] Agreed but I can see why for some people. They feel like social outcasts and want to fit in somewhere (this could be because of their race/descendance making it hard for them to integrate and feel home in the new society they've come to), ISIS like a lot of groups like them are very attractive to these kind of people because they emphasis community. Too bad they chose being Mujahideens rather than bronies.

[QUOTE=Kondor;46762743]you don't know any of the people that went to join isis, you have it in your head that they are some unintelligent jihadists that were bound to blow up or kill someone in their home town and luckily there's a situation in the middle east that they are self-shepherding themselves into, when in reality a lot of them are idealistic christians, jews or atheists who want to fight assad and who can blame them when he's been portrayed as satan incarnate for the entire century so far[/QUOTE] lmao a Jew fighting for ISIS, thats a good one. Why do you make shit up?

If they are getting to the point that they need to shoot people who try to leave, their movement is not going to last much longer. Nowhere in history has anyone successfully enforced order and discipline in the long term by shooting their own soldiers. It works in the short term, but never in the long term. Keep on digging your own grave, guys.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46764829]i love how tons of people here are generalizing that every person who joined isis took part in any of the massacres i guess if i joined the cia i automatically did some horrible shit to foreigners as well[/QUOTE] If you join CIA, I expect you to do CIA's job, that is, (directly or indirectly) gather intelligence and carry out covert operations. This means that I'm not going to assume you've done shit to foreigners, but that it could be a possibility. If you join a terrorist organization, I expect you to do a terrorist's job, that is, terrorize people. That means that I'm not going to assume the only thing you've done there is scrubbing toilets, but that it could be a possibility.

Does nobody read? These are people who went to fight Assad and wanted to leave when they realised they were killing the rebels. I feel for them, they went to fight to remove Assad and now they're trapped in is and now everybody will think they're going round killing babies.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46764829]i love how tons of people here are generalizing that every person who joined isis took part in any of the massacres i guess if i joined the cia i automatically did some horrible shit to foreigners as well[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RichyZ;46766552]and the cia love to do operations to undermine other countries governments, scare its politicians into doing things they wouldn't otherwise, and steal intelligence does this ring a bell? (yes isis and cia are different but at the end of the day both are abhorrent)[/QUOTE]... Nobody is saying the CIA is made up of cool, charitable and nice people who distribute teddy bears and rainbow kisses around the world. They do [i]spy stuff[/i] which is inherently not nice but it is necessary for our nation's defense. Difference between intelligence gathering and... we'll just say "extra-curricular activities" is we as a nation generally find waterboarding somebody less acceptable than a guy playing pretend in another country. Comparing the CIA with ISIS is not only disingenuous, but it shows a clear disconnect with reality because the CIA's worst activities are nowhere near the worst shit ISIS has done. Saying "oh, torturing people is the exact same as massacring an entire village and executing thousands of people, there is literally nothing different," is fucking ridiculous. There's one thing they have in common: they're both wrong, but so is petty thievery, shitting in the top tank, and masturbating in public, are you ready to put all of those activities in the same league as ISIS too?

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46765895]lmao a Jew fighting for ISIS, thats a good one. Why do you make shit up?[/QUOTE] Can you not fucking read. These people thought they were going to be fighting Assad. Instead they were fighting rebels. I can easily see a Christian, Jew, or anyone getting in this kind of shitty situation. They didn't join screaming "YEAH LET'S BEHEAD SOME FUCKING BABIES", they wanted to try and help down take down a dictator. Instead, they fought the people they were trying to help, and when they realized what they were doing and wanted to get out of it, they were killed. The mentality that they fucking deserve to be killed is disgusting, show a little fucking sympathy for these people. They got involved in something they didn't want to be in and now they're fucking dead. These aren't the aid-worker beheading ISIS we all hate, these are just people who were trying to help what they thought was a just cause and got mixed up in the wrong group. Christ it really shows how disgusting people can be when they just sit back and go "Ya, well, they're all sons a bitches n' deserved to fookin die like the rats they are!".

[QUOTE=Wolf532;46774958]Can you not fucking read. These people thought they were going to be fighting Assad. Instead they were fighting rebels. I can easily see a Christian, Jew, or anyone getting in this kind of shitty situation. They didn't join screaming "YEAH LET'S BEHEAD SOME FUCKING BABIES", they wanted to try and help down take down a dictator. Instead, they fought the people they were trying to help, and when they realized what they were doing and wanted to get out of it, they were killed. The mentality that they fucking deserve to be killed is disgusting, show a little fucking sympathy for these people. [b]They got involved in something they didn't want to be in and now they're fucking dead. These aren't the aid-worker beheading ISIS we all hate, these are just people who were trying to help what they thought was a just cause and got mixed up in the wrong group.[/b][/QUOTE] They decided to join up with a terrorist group, a fucking horrible terrorist group that even puts Al-Queda to shame and fucking boohoo that they suddenly found out that that didn't work out for them. They "might" deserve a second chance, but they have to work really hard and long for it. I can't understand why you would condone joining a terrorist group for fighting for a just cause. These people understood the consequenses of joining ISIS, they don't get to have my sympathy. [QUOTE=Wolf532;46774958]Christ it really shows how disgusting people can be when they just sit back and go "Ya, well, they're all sons a bitches n' deserved to fookin die like the rats they are!"[/quote] And it's disgusting to see people who defend those who joined ISIS, simply because those retards wanted to fight Assad or whatever.

[QUOTE]... Nobody is saying the CIA is made up of cool, charitable and nice people who distribute teddy bears and rainbow kisses around the world. They do spy stuff which is inherently not nice but it is necessary for our nation's defense. [/QUOTE] Hahahaha Nice way to justify some horrible fuck ups... [QUOTE] Saying "oh, torturing people is the exact same as massacring an entire village and executing thousands of people, there is literally nothing different," is fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Can I ask you some questions? Do you know about: -The DINA? -The "Garage olimpo"? -The United fruit company? -The Contras?

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[QUOTE=RichyZ;46764829]i love how tons of people here are generalizing that every person who joined isis took part in any of the massacres i guess if i joined the cia i automatically did some horrible shit to foreigners as well[/QUOTE] I think you're missing the point. From what I've seen in the thread, everyone (for the most part) are saying that it's the fact that they condoned the massacre of innocents, torture, rape and burning down homes that's despicable. You literally can't hear or talk about ISIS without knowing about what they do. That means the people that go to fight with ISIS are pretty much saying [I]"OK, I know full well that you guys behead, murder, torture and rape people, but as long as I [B]MIGHT[/B] be able to fight Assad, I'll join."[/I] If you didn't like the idea of murder, rape or torture like any sane individual, you would stay the fuck away from ISIS. You can't say "I don't want to kill or torture anyone, but I'll still join ISIS so I can fight assad." when you willingly know that the majority of ISIS's activities include, but are not limited to, beheading, rape, torture, mass murder, etc etc. Using your CIA comparison as an example, you can't say "I don't want to breach anyone's privacy, but I'll still join the CIA so I can keep the country safe." You know what they do. You know what they're expected to do. If you're against that, don't join them. If they're old enough to go to a Middle Eastern country on their own, they're old enough to know a thing or two about ISIS. They're not 12-year-olds.