ISIS gives free bullets to foreign fighters who wants to leave. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=EskillV2;46775101]They decided to join up with a terrorist group, a fucking horrible terrorist group that even puts Al-Queda to shame and fucking boohoo that they suddenly found out that that didn't work out for them. They "might" deserve a second chance, but they have to work really hard and long for it. I can't understand why you would condone joining a terrorist group for fighting for a just cause. These people understood the consequenses of joining ISIS, they don't get to have my sympathy. And it's disgusting to see people who defend those who joined ISIS, simply because those retards wanted to fight Assad or whatever.[/QUOTE] They probably didn't join them knowing they were ISIS. There's lot of groups fighting Assad, ISIS being one of them.

[QUOTE=Tinter;46762701]Everyone saying they deserve it and that we should leave them, don't you see how this would just serve to radicalize them. If you just leave them down there it might make them want to take revenge.[/QUOTE] They decided to leave their country to join a terrorist organization that has sex slaves and murders entire towns of people. They deserve everything they get for making such a stupid choice. These arent fucking like 8 year olds, they are people well over the age of knowing just how stupid and wrong it is to leave your country to go to the middle east to join a terrorist organization that has been terrorizing people and killing people. You cannot join ISIS and be like "Oh gosh did I make a silly mistake!" because you are well beyond that point.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46778155]They decided to leave their country to join a terrorist organization that has sex slaves and murders entire towns of people. They deserve everything they get for making such a stupid choice.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Tinter;46777939]They probably didn't join them knowing they were ISIS. There's lot of groups fighting Assad, ISIS being one of them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tinter;46778173][/QUOTE] I think they knew who they were joining. Regardless of who they'd join, they still wanted to kill people.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;46778188]I think they knew who they were joining.[/QUOTE] What makes you think that?

[QUOTE=Tinter;46778201]What makes you think that?[/QUOTE] And what makes you think that they [b]didn't[/b] know who they'd join? They joined a terrorist group, doesn't matter if it's Al-Queda or ISIS. A terrorist group is still a terrorist group no matter what their name is. It's useless to deny that they didn't know who they were joining because they still ended up in ISIS. They'd join so they could kill people, there's no sympathy for such action. [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1442502]Like this example[/url] Here you have a idiotic girl who got herself killed because she wanted to contribute to ISIS. Her family fled from a country that was conflict-stricken, so that her parents could give her and the other siblings a better life. She went full retard and basically left all her parents efforts for a better life in vain. There is no excuse for that kind of people.

Why are any of you celebrating this? Are you missing the fact that these people were trying to flee the organization? Yes, joining in the first place was a clear mistake, but ISIS has a huge, and highly effective propaganda network. Many of these people undoubtedly thought they were going to fight the good fight, and were horrified when they discovered ISIS's true nature. They tried to flee, wanting no part of what they had been tricked into, and were murdered for it. Why is this something you view as funny? Why is this something you cheer for? Does being naive and blindly passionate make you deserving of a bullet in the head? I should hope not, because if it does then a good chunk of you fit the prerequisites.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;46778276]And what makes you think that they [b]didn't[/b] know who they'd join?[/QUOTE] There's probably some who did and some who didn't, I just think it's not fair to wish death upon people who now show regret for getting themselves into that situation, because they misunderstood or didn't know things that they now see clearly on. Which is evident by the fact that they want to leave.

[QUOTE=Tinter;46778403]There's probably some who did and some who didn't, I just think it's not fair to wish death upon people who now show regret for getting themselves into that situation, because they misunderstood or didn't know things that they now see clearly on. Which is evident by the fact that they want to leave.[/QUOTE] Terrorist groups are just that. All of them commit horrible acts against other human beings. Regardless of the group or cause you wish to fight for, all the groups in question do not fight back with words. It's still murder, fighting, etc etc. They know EXACTLY what a terrorist group entails.

If you mistakenly join the most known and prevalent terrorist group in the world right now then you deserve everything you get. If you go to the middle east to fight in a war you dont even understand you deserve everything you get. Dont you think people who are so ready to die for their cause and would abandon their country to fight in another would at least do some work to figure out the type of group they would want to join? These people are fucking idiots, plain and simple. Most probably had some skewed fucking reality they invented where they thought shit was gonna be just grand fighting a fucking war in the middle east. None of this shit is a "Mistake" They fucking went to fight a war, and war is what they got. This type of shit is not like a brain fart mistake. They didnt just magically end up in the middle east. They committed to leaving their country, getting on a plane, going to the middle east, and finding a group to fight with. Now they are paying the price of reality. [editline]23rd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46778281]Why are any of you celebrating this? Are you missing the fact that these people were trying to flee the organization? Yes, joining in the first place was a clear mistake, but ISIS has a huge, and highly effective propaganda network. Many of these people undoubtedly thought they were going to fight the good fight, and were horrified when they discovered ISIS's true nature. They tried to flee, wanting no part of what they had been tricked into, and were murdered for it. Why is this something you view as funny? Why is this something you cheer for? Does being naive and blindly passionate make you deserving of a bullet in the head? I should hope not, because if it does then a good chunk of you fit the prerequisites.[/QUOTE] Please explain to me how someone gets tricked into leaving their country to fight a war in another country when they knew full well they were going to fight a war and had those intentions in mind the entire time? If you even fall for ISIS propaganda in a country no where near it then you are a fucking idiot, its quite clear how horrible they are if you spend 1 second to even bother looking them up. Its not rocket science to know murdering innocent people in a fucking village is not a good thing. They werent tricked, they created the world in their heads that they were gonna be some badass rebel fighting the "good" fight. What they got was reality. Its funny because they are fucking idiots, some mistakes dont warrant sympathy, especially something like this when everyone who went did it on their own terms.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46778281]Why are any of you celebrating this? Are you missing the fact that these people were trying to flee the organization? Yes, joining in the first place was a clear mistake, but ISIS has a huge, and highly effective propaganda network. Many of these people undoubtedly thought they were going to fight the good fight, and were horrified when they discovered ISIS's true nature. They tried to flee, wanting no part of what they had been tricked into, and were murdered for it. Why is this something you view as funny? Why is this something you cheer for? Does being naive and blindly passionate make you deserving of a bullet in the head? I should hope not, because if it does then a good chunk of you fit the prerequisites.[/QUOTE] If you think that we're celebrating their death, then you are wrong. I do not wish death for those idiots, i simply don't have any respect or symathy for them. They reap what they sow, karma is a bitch, ect.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46778887]If you mistakenly join the most known and prevalent terrorist group in the world right now then you deserve everything you get. If you go to the middle east to fight in a war you dont even understand you deserve everything you get. Dont you think people who are so ready to die for their cause and would abandon their country to fight in another would at least do some work to figure out the type of group they would want to join? These people are fucking idiots, plain and simple. Most probably had some skewed fucking reality they invented where they thought shit was gonna be just grand fighting a fucking war in the middle east. None of this shit is a "Mistake" They fucking went to fight a war, and war is what they got. This type of shit is not like a brain fart mistake. They didnt just magically end up in the middle east. They committed to leaving their country, getting on a plane, going to the middle east, and finding a group to fight with. Now they are paying the price of reality. [editline]23rd December 2014[/editline] Please explain to me how someone gets tricked into leaving their country to fight a war in another country when they knew full well they were going to fight a war and had those intentions in mind the entire time? If you even fall for ISIS propaganda in a country no where near it then you are a fucking idiot, its quite clear how horrible they are if you spend 1 second to even bother looking them up. Its not rocket science to know murdering innocent people in a fucking village is not a good thing. They werent tricked, they created the world in their heads that they were gonna be some badass rebel fighting the "good" fight. What they got was reality. Its funny because they are fucking idiots, some mistakes dont warrant sympathy, especially something like this when everyone who went did it on their own terms.[/QUOTE] What you are arguing is that naive, unintelligent, and gullible people deserve to die. I find that more than a little disturbing.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46778985]What you are arguing is that naive, unintelligent, and gullible people deserve to die. I find that more than a little disturbing.[/QUOTE] I find it more disturbing that you are defending those potential terrorists. [QUOTE=Tinter;46778403]There's probably some who did and some who didn't, I just think it's not fair to wish death upon people who now show regret for getting themselves into that situation, because they misunderstood or didn't know things that they now see clearly on. Which is evident by the fact that they want to leave.[/QUOTE] There is no free pass from joining a terrorist group no matter how noble your goal is.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;46778998] There is no free pass from joining a terrorist group no matter how noble your goal is.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty terrible policy, leaving only 1 absolute choice, why would you exclude all situations where someone would want to leave the group you're against?

[QUOTE=EskillV2;46778998]I find it more disturbing that you are defending those potential terrorists. There is no free pass from joining a terrorist group no matter how noble your goal is.[/QUOTE] They were roped in by a highly effective propaganda network, and were horrified at the reality of what they had joined. They had signed on to be soldiers in what was marketed as a violent war against their culture, not terrorists, and when they found what the reality of the situation was, they tried to flee from it, and were murdered for that. I am not defending terrorism in any sense. I am not arguing that they were right to join ISIS. Joining was a mistake, and they did, in a sense, dig their own graves by doing so. However, at the end of the day, what we have is a group of people who were trying to escape from a barbaric organization, because they wanted no part of the hellacious acts that organization was perpetrating. You call them terrorists, but I am seeing people fleeing terrorism, and being murdered for it. I won't argue that these are heroes. They may well have committed some atrocities of their own. However, they were still human beings, and they had obviously reached a point where they could take no more of ISIS's brand of justice. Surely you can understand that, having the distant perspective of this situation that you do? They were ultimately killed for no longer wanting to support ISIS's reign of terror. It was just more pointless bloodshed, and I'd hate to be the kind of person who applauds that.

I've probably been bad at stating my view, but that's how I see it too.

[QUOTE=Tinter;46779032]That's a pretty terrible policy, leaving only 1 absolute choice, why would you exclude all situations where someone would want to leave the group you're against?[/QUOTE] Joining a war is a unquestinable dumb decision, joining a terrorist group to fight in said war is just plain retarded. There is no policy for this action, it's just the extraordinary lack of common sense in those people. I get that you pity those people and you want to hug and nuzzle with them, but that's just idiotic. [QUOTE=thejjokerr;46779105]I dont want them to stay in the terrorist group, but I dont want them back in my country again, how can I help them if I don't want them here?[/QUOTE] You can't help them, they can only help themselves after putting themselves in that situation.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;46779107]Joining a war is a unquestinable dumb decision, joining a terrorist group to fight in said war is just plain retarded. There is no policy for this action, it's just the extraordinary lack of common sense in those people. I get that you pity those people and you want to hug and nuzzle with them, but that's just idiotic.[/QUOTE] Once again, your argument has defaulted to the belief that people who make decisions that you cannot understand or agree with, regardless of whether or not they see the error of those decisions and wish to rectify them, deserve to be executed in the street. You and ISIS share some philosophies.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;46778967]If you think that we're celebrating their death, then you are wrong. I do not wish death for those idiots, i simply don't have any respect or sympathy for them. They reap what they sow, karma is a bitch, ect.[/QUOTE] I think you people should stop shoving the idea of karma down people's throats.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46779151]if they want to return to their countries, so be it? i mean just throw them in jail until this situation is resolved, then take them to trial and give them time based on what they did[/QUOTE] Then at least they're sitting in a jail cell instead of executing apostates.

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;46779105]I dont want them to stay in the terrorist group, but I dont want them back in my country again, how can I help them if I don't want them here?[/QUOTE] Well you can't really do much if you can't bring them into your country, leaving them down there isn't helping them. I think the situation can be likened to people who are involved with neo-nazi groups, but no longer agree with their views. Although on a much lesser scale. We have organization that help get people out of these groups, but obviously it's more complicated when it's a group branded as terrorists in another country. I don't know what the solution would be, I don't think you could just go and retrieve them, and if they can't leave on their own there's probably not much that can be done. At least, I don't like the whole idea of people applauding them getting shot. I don't even think it would be all that demoralizing to people looking to join the group, they just see them as people who aren't committed to the cause. [editline]23rd December 2014[/editline] I guess my posts are kind of rambly, but I hope you get the jist of it.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46779127]Once again, your argument has defaulted to the belief that people who make decisions that you cannot understand or agree with, regardless of whether or not they see the error of those decisions and wish to rectify them, deserve to be executed in the street. [/QUOTE] And here you go putting words in my mouth and say that those people deserves to be executed. All i wrote is that they should not expect that their government should go out and help them, because they joined a terrorist group willingly. And because of their stupidity, they should are not getting my sympathy. The only way for them to come out of this, is to unfuck their situation personally. [quote]You and ISIS share some philosophies.[/quote] There's not a single shred of fact in that post, how can you say that i condone the actions of ISIS based of the few posts in this thread?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46779258]you share philosophies with isis not because you believe in the same things as they do, but you believe people who are stupid/naive/different deserve no sympathy and encourage the killing of them just as they believe that people who believe different to them also deserve to be killed how you dont see this is beyond me (jk its not its because a majority of sh posters are warmongering teenagers)[/QUOTE] Are you guys really bad at reading? I've never encouraged anyone to be killed. About not having sympathy for them, that is true ,but i have never written that they deserve to be killed. Joining a terrorist group is a serious action, with that comes serious consequences and you can't deny that. If you do then you're delusional.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46778985]What you are arguing is that naive, unintelligent, and gullible people deserve to die. I find that more than a little disturbing.[/QUOTE] This is not being gullible, this is being a fucking idiot and paying the price. Now if these people were IN the middle east right around ISIS and got tricked into it then I would be saying very different things. But these were people from far away foriegn countrys. If you had no idea that ISIS was bad before joining then your a fucking idiot, pretty much the rest of the world is saying ISIS are shit and terrorists and bad. Im not saying those people NEED to die, im saying they deserve whats coming to them because they put themselves in that situation ALL ON THEIR OWN. These are not child soldiers who were born into it, these are not people who are in the heart of the conflict fighting because its all they have. Its people from other countries thinking ISIS sounds super neat or fighting a middle eastern war is cool or some shit, maybe they just want to feel like they are something. They deserve all the bad that comes from shit like that because THEY put themselves in that situation. I dont WANT them to die, but they deserve whats coming to them and I honestly fail to see how you can even argue against that. They never had to go to the middle east and abandon their country, let alone get involved in a war in the middle east. This is like if someone in America joined the military only to find out that when they get shipped off to war they realize how shit it is and want to leave but cant.(They wont get killed like ISIS but some serious jailtime if they do try and leave among other things)

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779345][b]This is not being gullible, this is being a fucking idiot[/b] and paying the price. Now if these people were IN the middle east right around ISIS and got tricked into it then I would be saying very different things.[/QUOTE] Those two things are pretty similar, though. [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779345]But these were people from far away foriegn countrys. If you had no idea that ISIS was bad before joining then your a fucking idiot, pretty much the rest of the world is saying ISIS are shit and terrorists and bad. Im not saying those people NEED to die, im saying they deserve whats coming to them because they put themselves in that situation ALL ON THEIR OWN.[/QUOTE] Why should the amount of people saying it's bad determine that it's objectively bad? Humans aren't always right. [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779345]These are not child soldiers who were born into it, these are not people who are in the heart of the conflict fighting because its all they have.[/QUOTE] You make a decent point there. It could be rebuked, but it makes sense. Then again, so do a lot of your other points, but this one especially seems pretty understandable. [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779345][b]Its people from other countries thinking ISIS sounds super neat or fighting a middle eastern war is cool or some shit, maybe they just want to feel like they are something.[/b] They deserve all the bad that comes from shit like that because THEY put themselves in that situation.[/QUOTE] I also totally understand why you would be upset with that. I still don't think you should be making "they deserve it" seem like an objective fact since pretty much anyone could say that about anyone who wanted to fight for any kind of cause. [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779345]I dont WANT them to die, but they deserve whats coming to them and I honestly fail to see how you can even argue against that. They never had to go to the middle east and abandon their country, let alone get involved in a war in the middle east.[/QUOTE] You may as well be wanting whatever terrible shit that could happen to them to actually happen if you're going to be going around saying that they deserve whatever happens to them, because most of the time, the saying "he/she/they deserve everything awful" seems to translate "these people need to suffer x" which also usually translates to "I want x to happen to these people". [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779345]This is like if someone in America joined the military only to find out that when they get shipped off to war they realize how shit it is and want to leave but cant.(They wont get killed like ISIS but some serious jailtime if they do try and leave among other things)[/QUOTE] I always thought that it was kinda silly how people get jailed for simply avoiding fighting in battle, but I suppose that's just me.

I will probably cause an argument which I will not take part in. Anyway I have to agree with Big Dumb America, while yes they were part of ISIS and probably done horrible things to tons of people. They did however figure out what they were doing was wrong, and tried to flee from it, in this aspect they are more humane than the other ISIS members. I don't want the people who fled ISIS to die, I want them to go to jail instead.

[QUOTE=Skerion;46779495]Those two things are pretty similar, though. Why should the amount of people saying it's bad determine that it's objectively bad? Humans aren't always right. You make a decent point there. It could be rebuked, but it makes sense. Then again, so do a lot of your other points, but this one especially seems pretty understandable. I also totally understand why you would be upset with that. I still don't think you should be making "they deserve it" seem like an objective fact since pretty much anyone could say that about anyone who wanted to fight for any kind of cause. You may as well be wanting whatever terrible shit that could happen to them to actually happen if you're going to be going around saying that they deserve whatever happens to them, because most of the time, the saying "he/she/they deserve everything awful" seems to translate "these people need to suffer x" which also usually translates to "I want x to happen to these people". I always thought that it was kinda silly how people get jailed for simply avoiding fighting in battle, but I suppose that's just me.[/QUOTE] Yeah humans arent always right but do I really need to sit here and explain why ISIS is bad? Its pretty clear cut that ISIS is just flat out bad. Plus its my opinion they deserve it whats coming to them, I think they deserve it because they put themselves in that situation. If you honestly think going to War no matter where isnt going to have a bunch of atrocities with it and not be the fantasy they made u, well then your probably the type of person who would go and leave your country to join ISIS lol. They deserve it because its just reality, its that simple, has nothing to do with morals or even me. I dont want them to die, I dont want them to be tortured, I dont want them to be essentially held hostage as a soldier. But they deserve that stuff if it comes to them because they made the choice of signing up for a War and getting involved in a very, VERY fucked up war. Unlike signing up for a real country military, like the USA for example, these guys didnt just sign up, go into training and all that jazz first, they didnt get stationed places, and they didnt get sent off to war by their superiors. Or they werent military desk jockys who would probably never see the battlefield or anywhere near the war. They all went on their own to immediately start fighting. Why go and fight in a war or join a "military" if you werent ready to die and deal with the atrocitys that come with it? Its just reality its gonna be shit. Thats why they deserve any of the shit that comes with being in a war like that, plain and simple reality that I didnt make, I have 0 sympathy for them even though I dont want them to die and all that shit. It was never going to be good for these people, thats why they already want to come back, but when you make a mistake this big there really isnt much to forgive, at least when it comes to the actual choice they made. I could forgive them for turning a new leaf somewhere else and being a better person, but I cant forgive their decision of joining a terrorist organization and admitting it was a mistake because yeah no fucking shit, and thats why I have no sympathy for them while they are in this situation.

[QUOTE=Skerion;46779495]Why should the amount of people saying it's bad determine that it's objectively bad? Humans aren't always right.[/quote] This is true. [QUOTE=Skerion;46779495]I also totally understand why you would be upset with that. I still don't think you should be making "they deserve it" seem like an objective fact since pretty much anyone could say that about anyone who wanted to fight for any kind of cause.[/quote] It's a fact that they decided to join a terrorist group. [QUOTE=Skerion;46779495]You may as well be wanting whatever terrible shit that could happen to them to actually happen if you're going to be going around saying that they deserve whatever happens to them, because most of the time, the saying "he/she/they deserve everything awful" seems to translate "I want this person to have something awful happen to him".[/quote] He's saying that he does not want them harmed but he will not sympathise with them if something do happen. It's the same about Breivik, i do not want him dead but i would not shed a single tear for him if he died. [QUOTE=Skerion;46779495]I always thought that it was kinda silly how people get jailed for simply avoiding fighting in battle, but I suppose that's me.[/QUOTE] There's is a law about going awol, if you're conscripted to the army, then it's expected of you to do your service and it's nothing silly about that. You don't conscript to an active combat unit if you don't want to go to war. You can join a unit that is does not engage in active combat like a logistics unit.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779591]If you honestly think going to War no matter where isnt going to have a bunch of atrocities with it and not be the fantasy they made u, well then your probably the type of person who would go and leave your country to join ISIS lol. [/QUOTE] Why would that make them deserving of being killed? [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779591][b]They deserve it because its just reality, its that simple, has nothing to do with morals or even me.[/b] I dont want them to die, I dont want them to be tortured, I dont want them to be essentially held hostage as a soldier. But they deserve that stuff if it comes to them because they made the choice of signing up for a War and getting involved in a very, VERY fucked up war. [/QUOTE] Honestly, I feel that it's only a reality in a sense that it's a well accepted human-made concept just like society, language, laws, and even logic. Remember that we were once equivalent to wild animals in a sense that we didn't have any of these things at first. They only became a thing because some of us invented them, not because science said so. [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779591]Unlike signing up for a real country military, like the USA for example, these guys didnt just sign up, go into training and all that jazz first, they didnt get stationed places, and they didnt get sent off to war by their superiors. Or they werent military desk jockys who would probably never see the battlefield or anywhere near the war. They all went on their own to immediately start fighting.[/QUOTE] Would it make you think any different of the US military if they just decided to immediately start fighting other soldiers? [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46779591]It was never going to be good for these people, thats why they already want to come back, but when you make a mistake this big there really isnt much to forgive, at least when it comes to the actual choice they made. I could forgive them for turning a new leaf somewhere else and being a better person, but I cant forgive their decision of joining a terrorist organization and admitting it was a mistake because yeah no fucking shit, and thats why I have no sympathy for them while they are in this situation.[/QUOTE] So who determines whatever what crime is too big to be considered forgivable, or is that also the part of that reality that you claim no one made up? Also, about the whole thing about how saying someone deserves x doesn't equal to wanting him dead and the whole risk thing, people will usually only say "he deserves it/I have no sympathy. He knew the consequences" in response to someone dying in battle is if they were strongly against whatever cause they were fighting for or what exactly they were fighting for. Hardly anyone who supports a soldier's cause would say that if that same soldier died, so I don't think this whole "deservity" thing is something universal like you seem to claim. If that's not what you were claiming, though, then I do apologize for misunderstanding that part.