Teenager Gives Birth in a Tent, Proceeds to Beat Baby to Death "Out of Fear of Disappontment" - Polidicks

Why waste time considering her mental state lock her up and throw away the key what is empathy

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;41700058]Why waste time considering her mental state lock her up and throw away the key what is empathy[/QUOTE] and people wonder why mental care in this country sucks so hard

[QUOTE=G3rman;41699944]Doesn't change the fact she needs to pay for her crimes. And not just through rehabilitation. You can ask FP, prison is rehabilitation apparently.[/QUOTE] Not in the U.S.

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;41699269]Why couldn't she just put the child into an adoption center?[/QUOTE] Postnatal stress disorder. [QUOTE=LSK;41699459]She needs something, you're right. Whether or not it should be jailtime, psychological treatment or both is indeterminable by what we currently know. Hopefully the case will be followed by the media so we can keep up with it. I don't know anything about her life or the events leading up to this tragic moment, but I just have a feeling she's guilty of 1st degree murder (not being insane or with good reason), there would have to be some extenuating circumstances involved to prove otherwise. We'll just have to wait and see. [editline]3rd August 2013[/editline] And if anything, [I]anything[/I] at all, killing the child would only make the situation worse no matter what it was. I mean she already had the baby, why kill it? It's been brought into the world, there's no hiding it now, you're just digging the hole a lot deeper for yourself.[/QUOTE] Because your body suddenly massively changes in hormonal setup and it creates potentially massive psychological issues. People can't think clearly afterwards. It's also why a lot of countries have statuses on gentler crimes if a child is killed by a mother after pregnancy up to a certain timeframe. Three months often. [QUOTE=anis;41699581]I never understood how pregnancy could be kept secret. Does it help if the woman is fat?[/QUOTE] Depends - almost inivisible pregnancies do happen. Like that one women that gave birth and didn't know she was pregnant before. [QUOTE=Forumaster;41699940]Yeah, usually if the woman's the size of a fucking house, they can't really tell if they're pregnant (apparently being absurdly fat messes with their periods as well, so missing it for a few months is 'normal').[/QUOTE] Also fairly athletic, malnourished (or badly nourished) and a lot of other stuff can lead to odd pregnancies. And sometimes pregnancies are just odd.

[QUOTE=lapsus_;41699795]The mother's and father's will alone should be enough of a reason.[/QUOTE] I'm slightly disgusted that a potential human life holds absolutely no value to you, even ignoring the VERY grey scientific line of where life actually begins.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;41700294]The point of prison IS rehabilitation. It's called the justice system, not the revenge system.[/QUOTE] You really think US prison system is good for anything other than completely breaking a person down mentally?

[QUOTE=G3rman;41699944]Doesn't change the fact she needs to pay for her crimes. And not just through rehabilitation. You can ask FP, prison is rehabilitation apparently.[/QUOTE] Yes, yes it is. At least that's what it's supposed to be.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FanhvXO9Pk]Although this is absolutely horrible, we can't blame this teenager for what she did. I suppose it could have happened to anyone, and she is the product of her parent's disappointment.[/url]

[QUOTE=PelPix123;41700318]No, because the US prison system misses the point of prisons.[/QUOTE] Actually a prison system is relatively more complex than purely rehabilitation. It's one of the aspects certainly, but punitive, deterrent and isolating factors are fairly important as well.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;41699866]Regardless of how unstable she was or whatever she was thinking, what she committed was murder, and should be charged accordingly.[/QUOTE] Childbirth can, among other things, cause women to go into shock, become delirious, develop severe and acute depression or even cause temporary psychosis - many countries, such as the United Kingdom, have laws which give women who commit infanticide the ability to claim a mitigating factor of 'diminished responsibility', reducing the crime of murder to manslaughter. This women needs decent mental healthcare, not imprisonment - I fail to see what that would achieve, in the long run.

[QUOTE=PelPix123;41700389]"But people need to get WHAT'S COMING TO THEM so I can project people who did bad things to me onto them and furiously masturbate to revenge fantasies!!" I honestly don't understand what sort of thoughts beyond this drive someone to believe in a purely punishment-based justice system.[/QUOTE] It's a knee-jerk response. People hear about this and get emotional without looking into it. They just want someone to punish because it's easier that way. Out of sight, out of mind.

she refused to ask her parents for help, tried to hide the fact she was pregnant, and then killed the baby when it was born. at this point i can't tell if she planned it out and decided to use the massive hormone flux as a shield (which has happened multiple times) or if she legit was freaking out. i mean she had 8-9 months to plan what she was going to do with the child, the fact she went camping right before labor sounds like she was going to get rid of the baby anyways.

[QUOTE=omggrass;41700448]she refused to ask her parents for help, tried to hide the fact she was pregnant, and then killed the baby when it was born. at this point i can't tell if she planned it out and decided to use the massive hormone flux as a shield (which has happened multiple times) or if she legit was freaking out. i mean she had 8-9 months to plan what she was going to do with the child, the fact she went camping right before labor sounds like she was going to get rid of the baby anyways.[/QUOTE] she was a jehovahs witness with her parents being extemely strict about following those rules. she actually liked kids and wanted some. her parent took her up to those woods they planned it 2 days before as a "surprise". she didnt slay or beat the kid, she just hit it. maybe she dropped it or the parents hit it. her religionn would hhave made her lose everyone to talk too. she may have freaked out when her dad saw her or he mayhave did himself

A 18 year old gives birth alone in a tent in the middle of the night knowing that her parents will never forgive her if they found out. I don't know if you guys are aware but giving birth is quite stressful, I'm not surprised she did something without thinking clearly. So quit it with the 'THIS MONSTER MUST GET THE CHAIR PROTECT THE BABBIES'

Maybe if we quit shaming teens about getting pregnant at young ages and instead teach them the proper steps to follow i.e. giving the child up for adoption, stuff like this wouldn't happen.

[QUOTE=PopSkimo;41702812]Maybe if we quit shaming teens about getting pregnant at young ages and instead teach them the proper steps to follow i.e. giving the child up for adoption, stuff like this wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] Or hand out free condoms/educate children about contraception. Unless its a case of 'my religion says condoms are bad' in which case enjoy having a baby at 16.

[QUOTE=diego123457;41701644]she was a jehovahs witness with her parents being extemely strict about following those rules. she actually liked kids and wanted some. her parent took her up to those woods they planned it 2 days before as a "surprise". she didnt slay or beat the kid, she just hit it. maybe she dropped it or the parents hit it. her religion would have made her lose everyone to talk too. she may have freaked out when her dad saw her or he may have did himself[/QUOTE] okay that makes sense. my current girlfriend was jehova (forced by her parents) and we have been dating incognito long enough for her to fool her parents into thinking she moved into her own apartment. they forced her to go door to door 70+hours a month and preach something she didn't believe to the point where it was causing her to have seizures and bipolar disorder. if they ever found out about us she would be disowned. JW is a terrible terrible group, ever since she moved in and away from her cultist parents her bipolar disorder, ticks, and seizures have disappeared.

Well, shit. I can't say I've heard this for the first time. [IMG]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjajoGNly1r5kg5zo1_400.gif[/IMG] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of xenoCrab, no more alts" - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=areolop;41699300]TLC has a show about it.[/QUOTE] Except it deals with the mother not knowing. This case dealed with just her relatives not knowing.

[QUOTE=sgman91;41699319]Since when is fear of disappointment a legitimate reason to get an abortion?!? Fear of physical/mental abuse possibly, but not fear of disappointment.[/QUOTE] Since [b]forever[/b]?!

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;41699269]Why couldn't she just put the child into an adoption center?[/QUOTE] Postpartum depression.

[QUOTE=sgman91;41700177]I'm slightly disgusted that a potential human life holds absolutely no value to you, even ignoring the VERY grey scientific line of where life actually begins.[/QUOTE] You are failing to weigh in whether or not preserving the potential for a human life is worth the relatively high risk that the life will end up shitty. Do you think it's worth preserving a fetus, an undeveloped organism incapable of self-awareness, if that fetus has a disproportionately high chance that it'll grow into an abused/neglected/impoverished youth that suffers for most of his/her early life and ends up having to deal with a host of emotional and psychological issues because of it? Even then, life in general has no intrinsic value - it's subjective value that individuals and cultures place in it. Unless you believe in a religion or spirituality, a living organism is basically just an organized system of matter and energy (as the name 'organism' implies), driven to sustain itself and its offspring due to natural selection. Don't get me wrong, I hold value in life too, but I'd rather have mine ended preemptively in the womb if it meant that I didn't have to live a shitty and depressing existence (hypothetically speaking, of course).

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;41699866]Regardless of how unstable she was or whatever she was thinking, what she committed was murder, and should be charged accordingly.[/QUOTE] it's idiotic to not consider mitigating factors when we're talking about imprisoning people

Read this as 'Teenager Gives Birth to Tent'...

this kind of shit is gonna keep happening as long as we have idiotic christians raising their children in a culture of fear and ignorance [editline]5th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Shadow801;41707711]Read this as 'Teenager Gives Birth to Tent'...[/QUOTE] same lol gave me a double take [editline]5th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;41700177]I'm slightly disgusted that a potential human life holds absolutely no value to you, even ignoring the VERY grey scientific line of where life actually begins.[/QUOTE] noone cares about what disgusts you, if it's not your body you have no say in the matter and your opinion on it means nothing

[QUOTE=joes33431;41707643]You are failing to weigh in whether or not preserving the potential for a human life is worth the relatively high risk that the life will end up shitty. Do you think it's worth preserving a fetus, an undeveloped organism incapable of self-awareness, if that fetus has a disproportionately high chance that it'll grow into an abused/neglected/impoverished youth that suffers for most of his/her early life and ends up having to deal with a host of emotional and psychological issues because of it? Even then, life in general has no intrinsic value - it's subjective value that individuals and cultures place in it. Unless you believe in a religion or spirituality, a living organism is basically just an organized system of matter and energy (as the name 'organism' implies), driven to sustain itself and its offspring due to natural selection. Don't get me wrong, I hold value in life too, but I'd rather have mine ended preemptively in the womb if it meant that I didn't have to live a shitty and depressing existence (hypothetically speaking, of course).[/QUOTE] The bigger question here is why do you think it's not worth preserving a life because you deem their future to be less than ideal? There are so many different directions a person's life can go, you can't just generally brand it all as a depressing existence and by that decide whether there can live or die. Unless you can definitively prove that a person who has not had a chance to live their full life will end up wishing that they had never lived anyway, I don't see any way of really justifying it.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;41707769]The bigger question here is why do you think it's not worth preserving a life because you deem their future to be less than ideal? There are so many different directions a person's life can go, you can't just generally brand it all as a depressing existence and by that decide whether there can live or die. Unless you can definitively prove that a person who has not had a chance to live their full life will end up wishing that they had never lived anyway, I don't see any way of really justifying it.[/QUOTE] Take a look at any single, teen mom (hint: if they're not already single they will be soon). Tell me if it looks like the mom is having a blast giving up her social life. do you think it is good for a baby to grow up not receiving the love & care it needs? I know like 4 girls firsthand who got knocked up in highschool and their loves are a living hell to put it short .

Could this be because of post-partum depression?

[QUOTE=archangel125;41709427]Could this be because of post-partum depression?[/QUOTE] This kind of thing happening due to PPD is not as uncommon as one might believe. In fact, if you were to look at a lot of those cases, you'd see that they aren't so different from this one. You know, poorly adjusted teenage girls with overbearing religious/conservative parents, etc.

OH NO My parents might be disappointed I got pregnant, lets beat the newborn baby girl over the head until it's dead. That will fix everything! I wonder what the parents think now.