Federal judge declares National Day of Prayer unconstitutional - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380736]Why the hell are they doing this? Even if some people might find a day of prayer offendable there are still way more that are offended that they are taking this out. Its part of our history as much as Christmas or Easter... well actually I didnt know we had one until last night but damnit just leave things the way they are. who cares about other peoples feelings GO GOD GO GOD GO GOD I told you, I fucking told you I would.[/QUOTE] It's not about feelings, it's about morons complaining about anything they don't like. Don't like that Obama is black? don't support him. don't like immigration? complain and form hate groups. Don't like 60+ year old traditions? Fuck em, after all, if I'm offended, it doesn't matter who is affected. This whole generation of idiots is so self-absorbed they have no idea what it's like to be in other people's shoes. I swear so many people cry foul if a few more dollars are being taken from their paycheck, ignoring the people that this could help. The rich get richer, the poor get even worse off, and the world keeps spinning, because nobody cares anything about anyone but themselves.

[QUOTE=Fables;21380058]Oh, can they do that next? I'd like that.[/QUOTE] Oh please, the words don't hurt you.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;21380744]Moments of silence are secular, huge difference.[/QUOTE] secular because of the name, not the practice.

[QUOTE=Dr. Punchgroin;21380448]"The Obama Administration" =/= Obama himself[/QUOTE] Ahh, yes it does. Anything that comes out of the POTUS's mouth is taken as policy unless declared unofficial.

so I guess the saying "God Bless America" is going to be illegal to say soon since it offends more people. Id shoot the president before I stopped saying that... but I would never do that... somebody probably would though...

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380803]so I guess the saying "God Bless America" is going to be illegal to say soon since it offends more people. Id shoot the president before I stopped saying that... but I would never do that... somebody probably would though...[/QUOTE] more people complain about helping others than religion anymore. "It's socialist because it helps someone other than me!!!!"

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380803]so I guess the saying "God Bless America" is going to be illegal to say soon since it offends more people. Id shoot the president before I stopped saying that... but I would never do that... somebody probably would though...[/QUOTE] It's not illegal, it's just not supported by the government...

Atheists are a smaller group than Religion as a whole and if atheists truely believe in Universalism then they should suck it up and stop acting selfish. Im just rambling and I dont really know how to explain what I am feeling to a forum full of atheiststic 15 year olds rebeling against their parents, but I wish people would just shut up about religion all together atheists and religious people alike.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380736]Why the hell are they doing this? Even if some people might find a day of prayer offendable there are still way more that are offended that they are taking this out. Its part of our history as much as Christmas or Easter... well actually I didnt know we had one until last night but damnit just leave things the way they are. who cares about other peoples feelings GO GOD GO GOD GO GOD I told you, I fucking told you I would.[/QUOTE] Actually, they established the NDoP in 1952. Oh, is this that trolling you promised in another thread?

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380883]Atheist are a smaller group than Religion as a whole and if atheists truely believe in Universalism then they should suck it up and stop acting selfish.[/QUOTE] You're talking as if the fact that they are atheists make them any less than you.

FYI, Mr_Sun is trolling. [QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21363134]Gotta love our amazing God. I have decided to act like one of those pushy religious people to show all you 15 year old atheists who think they are smart because they learn things through Wikipedia and Google what REAL annoying people do. so be ready for my antics in any more religion discussions.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=21363134#post21363134]link to post[/url]

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21380907]FYI, Mr_Sun is trolling.[/QUOTE] Wow, that's honestly humiliating to Christians. Gotta love ignorance.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21380896]Actually, they established the NDoP in 1952. Oh, is this that trolling you promised in another thread?[/QUOTE] Its not trolling if I truely belive in it. [editline]07:37AM[/editline] you think trolls say "OMG UR GHEY" because they really belive in it? no because it pisses people off. what I am saying is pissing people off but its what I believe in.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380940]its not trolling if i truely belive in it. [editline]07:37AM[/editline] you think trolls say "OMG UR GHEY" because they really belive in it? no because it pisses people off. what I am saying is pissing people off but its what I believe in.[/QUOTE] Pissing people off is a horrible way to go about it. you're using your beliefs to annoy people, not spread the word.

Im not spreading the word because I know in no way, that I can make a good discussion or point.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380883]Atheists are a smaller group than Religion as a whole[/QUOTE]There are less black people than white people. :downs:

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380974]Im not spreading the word because I know in no way, that I can make a good discussion or point.[/QUOTE] so why are you doing all this then? to annoy people and push them away? regardless of any chance they have of ever accepting it, or your own skills at speaking the truth, that gives you no excuse to turn it in a side show.

It just makes me mad that in all these threads there are atheist going "lol Christians are stupid" and in no way there are people fighting back against that. that causes flamewars which is against the rules but It pisses me off when one person is allowed to disrespect another religion which is kinda whats going on with this news post... but not totally the same way. like I said, I cant make a point...

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380990]It just makes me mad that in all these threads there are atheist going "lol Christians are stupid" and in no way there are people fighting back against that. that causes flamewars which is against the rules but It pisses me off when one person is allowed to disrespect another religion wich is kinda whats going on with this news post... but not totally the same way like I said, I cant make a point...[/QUOTE] Don't prod the fire then. If they want to stamp their feet and cry foul and try to make the world their playground, let them. You can't sink to the level or else any wisdom and maturity you gain from your personal growth is lost.

I'm an atheist, and National Prayer Day doesn't bother me at all.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21380990]It just makes me mad that in all these threads there are atheist going "lol Christians are stupid" and in no way there are people fighting back against that. that causes flamewars which is against the rules but It pisses me off when one person is allowed to disrespect another religion which is kinda whats going on with this news post... but not totally the same way. like I said, I cant make a point...[/QUOTE]Christianity is false. People are free to believe in it. I have every right to criticize it if it is used as a justification for any kind of policy, action or federal mandate. It is no longer a private or personal thing. A couple of weeks ago I went to a private rabbit show where unexpectedly we were instructed to pray to Jesus. I didn't know these people well at all and I did not want to alienate or offend them, as I was with my father and their friends. I was uncomfortably prompted to pray with these people when really I would have preferred not to have any religion involved at all. I felt like a hypocrite bowing my head but either was I was fucked. This is the problem with stuff like "National Day of Prayer" - it alienates atheists and agnostics. Similar things happens to atheist kids who don't want to pray before basketball games and the like - it alienates you from your group. Just not participating in prayer is not a catch all - it has negative social ramifications. Although there are dumb atheists who are rebelling against their parents, it does not mean all atheists are just rebellious morons. You seem to be doing the same thing you're upset about - "religiously profiling." And honestly if people can't take the occasional joke - well, sorry, I don't give a damn. If you're going to believe in things that are just utterly destroyed by modern science, I don't have much pity.

Well then again its just human nature to defend something they love or enjoy. I personally believe anybody demeaning any religious beliefs (including atheistic beliefs) should be banned and if that means I should be banned then thats okay. I needed to get that ^^ out of my system. [editline]07:48AM[/editline] [QUOTE=TheLolrus;21381043]I'm an atheist, and National Prayer Day doesn't bother me at all.[/QUOTE] and that makes you the cool atheist. no really it does I have a lot of respect for people who just ignore those things which makes me a hypocrit. ill just show myself out the door...

Prayer is really boring, I gotta say.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21381048]Well then again its just human nature to defend something they love or enjoy. I personally believe anybody demeaning any religious beliefs (including atheistic beliefs) should be banned and if that means I should be banned then thats okay.[/quote]Extremist, radical Islam? Scientology? Just because it believes in magic and fairy dust does not mean the ideology should be respected. Again - privately, go ahead. I don't give a damn. When it starts affecting legislation or makes demands on general society there is a problem. [quote]and that makes you the cool atheist. no really it does I have a lot of respect for people who just ignore those things which makes me a hypocrit.[/quote]I don't care if people pray on that day. Just don't make it a federal holiday.

[QUOTE=PariahKing;21381046]Christianity is false. People are free to believe in it. I have every right to criticize it if it is used as a justification for any kind of policy, action or federal mandate. It is no longer a private or personal thing. A couple of weeks ago I went to a private rabbit show where unexpectedly were instructed to pray to Jesus. I didn't know these people well at all and I did not want to alienate or offend them, as I was with my father and their friends. I was uncomfortably prompted to pray with these people when really I would have preferred not to have any religion involved at all. I felt like a hypocrite bowing my head but either was I was fucked. This is the problem with stuff like "National Day of Prayer" - it alienates atheists and agnostics. Similar things happens to atheist kids who don't want to pray before basketball games and the like - it alienates you from your group. Just not participating in prayer is not a catch all - it has negative social ramifications. Although there are dumb atheists who are rebelling against their parents, it does not mean all atheists are just rebellious morons. You seem to be doing the same thing you're upset about - "religiously profiling." And honestly if people can't take the occasional joke - well, sorry, I don't give a damn. If you're going to believe in things that are just utterly destroyed by modern science, I don't have much pity.[/QUOTE] You can apply the same to a lot of things. I don't feel comfortable saying the pledge because I don't support a lot of the practices of the country in the direction it is heading. Should we remove it because I feel discomfort? We're all going to be in those awkward situations where we feel pushed to conform to those around us, but don't use this as ammunition against just one cause, because that shows a hypocritical stance when we refuse to apply the same standard to everything else. You can't make everybody happy. [editline]02:55AM[/editline] [QUOTE=PariahKing;21381100]Extremist, radical Islam? Scientology? Just because it believes in magic and fairy dust does not mean the ideology should be respected. Again - privately, go ahead. I don't give a damn. When it starts affecting legislation or makes demands on general society there is a problem. I don't care if people pray on that day. Just don't make it a federal holiday.[/QUOTE] Get rid of Christmas, make people work on it. after all, it's a religious holiday. If it weren't a mass marketed nightmare, they probably would. but people have their hands so deep in the pocket on holidays like this and Easter and even less celebrated ones like Hanukkah that it won't happen.

[QUOTE=PariahKing;21381100] I don't care if people pray on that day. Just don't make it a federal holiday.[/QUOTE] Well, there are some religion-type holidays already, right? Christmas and Easter come to mind. Like, people who aren't Christian can choose whether or not they want to celebrate Christmas. Likewise, people without a religion can choose not to participate in Prayer Day. Also, I [i]think[/i] it would apply to every religion, not a specific one. Please correct me on my mistakes, it's midnight here and I probably shouldn't be posting this late. Aw, Tigster beat me to Christmas.

[QUOTE=Tigster;21381111]You can apply the same to a lot of things. I don't feel comfortable saying the pledge because I don't support a lot of the practices of the country in the direction it is heading. Should we remove it because I feel discomfort? We're all going to be in those awkward situations where we feel pushed to conform to those around us, but don't use this as ammunition against just one cause, because that shows a hypocritical stance when we refuse to apply the same standard to everything else. You can't make everybody happy.[/quote]This is a kind of valid point. Life is going to be (at least) occasionally uncomfortable. However there's a difference between the pledge and institutional religious implications. For example, I don't have a problem with the private rabbit show doing it. Different in a government setting. [quote]Get rid of Christmas, make people work on it. after all, it's a religious holiday. If it weren't a mass marketed nightmare, they probably would. but people have their hands so deep in the pocket on holidays like this and Easter and even less celebrated ones like Hanukkah that it won't happen.[/QUOTE]Christmas I have no problem with. It has been basically stripped of the Jesus message and is totally about commercialism. It's meaning has changed.

[QUOTE=PariahKing;21381142]This is a kind of valid point. Life is going to be (at least) occasionally uncomfortable. However there's a difference between the pledge and institutional religious implications. For example, I don't have a problem with the private rabbit show doing it. Different in a government setting. Christmas I have no problem with. It has been basically stripped of the Jesus message and is totally about commercialism. It's meaning has changed.[/QUOTE] It applies the same way. on Christmas, you don't have to celebrate God. On the National day of Prayer, you don't have to pray.

[QUOTE=Tigster;21381157]It applies the same way. on Christmas, you don't have to celebrate God. On the National day of Prayer, you don't have to pray.[/QUOTE]Having a national day of prayer implies that it is good or that you ought to be praying. It is not the "National Day of Optional Prayer for People Who Think It is a Valid and Good Thing to Do" Day. Christmas (somewhat unrelated) is no longer about Jesus for most people, but some still celebrate that aspect of it. It's a bit different. I mean, it is still a religious holiday in some sense. But it has been heavily redefined, much like Halloween has been.

[QUOTE=PariahKing;21381175]Having a national day of prayer implies that it is good or that you ought to be praying. It is not the "National Day of Optional Prayer for People Who Think It is a Valid and Good Thing to Do" Day. Christmas (somewhat unrelated) is no longer about Jesus for most people, but some still celebrate that aspect of it. It's a bit different. I mean, it is still a religious holiday in some sense. But it has been heavily redefined, much like Halloween has been.[/QUOTE] but not for everyone. if the change applied to everyone you'd be right. But since it only applies to a good number, redefinition doesn't apply. If the government offices made employees stand up on this day and pray, that'd be different, because it's establishing a religious idea. However, it is only creating an opportunity for those who believe as such to do so, I fail to see the offense. Look at it this way. When they hold a moment of silence on 9/11 or something, no one is offended, people generally go with it. If you don't, good for you, nobody can do anything to prosecute you. Are you going to feel uncomfortable making noise? maybe, but, again, you see how this applies to more areas than religion.