Federal judge declares National Day of Prayer unconstitutional - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21389992]What's so good about this? The government's basically said "K atheists, we're siding with you on this and are not going to show any sympathy or care for the religious people who may have liked this".[/QUOTE] "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The Constitution is the supreme law of land here and the National Day of Prayer was clearly unconstitutional. Sorry, but majority means NOTHING when you're VIOLATING the CONSTITUTION.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21389992]What's so good about this? The government's basically said "K atheists, we're siding with you on this and are not going to show any sympathy or care for the religious people who may have liked this". [editline]04:22PM[/editline] Yeah, let's all focus on how religion in politics is soooo un-Constitutional, but let's just ignore the 8,645,384 other ways the government's broken the Constitution.[/QUOTE] You're so dense it's surprising you haven't collapsed into a super massive singularity.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21389992]What's so good about this? The government's basically said "K atheists, we're siding with you on this and are not going to show any sympathy or care for the religious people who may have liked this". [/QUOTE] Or they're siding with the secularists. The people that made your government were secular, they believed in a separation of church and state. There's no reason Islamic and Jewish people should have their taxes pay for Christian shrines on the grounds of public buildings or have holidays suggesting prayer. Just because America is has a majority of Christians doesn't give them the right to pick on demographically smaller religions.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21390396]The people that made your government were secular, they believed in a separation of church and state.[/QUOTE] He's British.

[QUOTE=JDK721;21390501]He's British.[/QUOTE] Okay, well the people that founded the USA were secular.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;21380780]Oh please, the words don't hurt you.[/QUOTE] You don't seem to comprehend principle.

[QUOTE=General Omega;21389574]I am not bothered by it, but I do go with the ruling. The Constitution says the government can not support any one religion/belief in any way. This does do so. That would be breaking the constitution and thus should be dealt with as such. Any other way to see it would be useless and just stretching the situation more then needed or wanted.[/QUOTE] How, why is it always the hostile separation of church and state, can't we have the friendly version?

[QUOTE=Jenkem;21385873]Honestly, promoting a lack of religion and forcing a godless outlook on everyone isn't much better.[/quote] you mean like the more prosperous Sweden does? [quote]If a national day of prayer, which isn't even forced on anyone, is somehow unconstitutional, nearly every other holiday that has religious origins (Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, ect.) are also unconstitutional.[/QUOTE] Chritmas is a pagan holiday, Thanksgiving was made by religious people, not based on religion and Easter is a silly holiday. And, uh, National day of Prayer is unconstitutional.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21390396]Just because America is has a majority of Christians doesn't give them the right to pick on demographically smaller religions.[/QUOTE] Are you implying praying is exclusive to Christians? :raise:

My school has a minute of silence every day so if you choose to pray or engage in any other religious activities you can. What's the difference between this and that?

Praying is religious, the government is secular. You could only try to justify prayer day if 100% of people had a religion, and every religion on the planet had some form of prayer. Neither of which is true. [editline]05:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21390788]My school has a minute of silence every day so if you choose to pray or engage in any other religious activities you can. What's the difference between this and that?[/QUOTE] Because silence also means respect. To one person, you might just be standing silently in respect for fallen soldiers. When to another it might be a time for a prayer. The fact that you're silent, and they don't tell you why, makes it very ambiguous, and so it's not really supporting religion at all.

I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is, religious people can have their national day of prayer and shit, no ones telling them they CAN'T it's just not going to be a holiday recognized by the US government, which falls under the whole "Separation of Church and State" thing, it's in the fucking constitution, it doesn't matter what the politicians feel, the Government doesn't have shit to do with the church and the church doesn't have shit to do with the government. Also some of you fuckers in this thread make me ashamed to be an Atheist, quit bitching about shit that doesn't matter.

The [B][I][U]SUPPORTING[/U][/I][/B] of religion is unconstitutional. All official religious holidays are recognized. official as in, the main church of the religion says it is apart of their religion. A national day of _______ is not an official religious holiday. If atheist grouped up and came up with an atheist holiday, then the US would have to support it. If the Buddhist said that they have a day to celebrate the creation of a particular tree, it must be supported. If some guy named john said it would be a nice day to get together and pray, then it is not official and is not recognized. That is the case here. The US is supporting a belief ( in this case, any religious belief that supports praying ). That is still an injustice to those who don't, Ex: Atheist.

I love how I've never heard of this "holiday".

First time hearing of it too. Must be like those old laws where you cant eat a pickle if you are pregnant in some state.

[QUOTE=Tigster;21380779] This whole generation of idiots is so self-absorbed they have no idea what it's like to be in other people's shoes. I swear so many people cry foul if a few more dollars are being taken from their paycheck, ignoring the people that this could help. The rich get richer, the poor get even worse off, and the world keeps spinning, because nobody cares anything about anyone but themselves.[/QUOTE] Fine you disagree, alright, but you undermine your own argument by posting garbage like that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21380473]...I think you're missing something here.[/QUOTE] No, he said Obama can celebrate the day of prayer if he wants because he's a Christian. He never said it should be a national holiday, nor did he say you should be a Christian.

This whole thread is I ARE ATHEIST HURR :downswords: [editline]08:12PM[/editline] Can't sleep naked in Mn By the way.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;21394986]This whole thread is I ARE ATHEIST HURR :downswords:[/QUOTE] You mad?

Nice meme you got there.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;21394986]This whole thread is I ARE ATHEIST HURR :downswords:[/QUOTE] Violating the Constitution isn't acceptable. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;21394986]This whole thread is I ARE ATHEIST HURR :downswords: [/QUOTE] You are so witty. Secularists bash non-secular government ideas, and all the people that supported the idea go and cry about the secularists.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;21395181]Nice meme you got there.[/QUOTE] You mad?

[QUOTE=Mexican;21394924]No, he said Obama can celebrate the day of prayer if he wants because he's a Christian. He never said it should be a national holiday, nor did he say you should be a Christian.[/QUOTE] And you're missing something here. That had nothing to do with what I was quoting. What you just said here is basically what I said somewhere else.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21396368]And you're missing something here. That had nothing to do with what I was quoting. What you just said here is basically what I said somewhere else.[/QUOTE] Zeke quoted "The Obama administration said in a Twitter message on Thursday that Obama intends to recognize this year's National Day of Prayer, which is May 6." Which meant Obama's going to pray. So Zeke called him a buffoon, to which TheMorgue was saying not to bash Obama for celebrating it. Or at least that's how I interpreted it I dunno.

Can't we all just get along

So he can strike down one law established in the 1950s as a buffer against the godlessness of Communism, but he can't get rid of "Under God" in the Pledge or "In God We Trust" on our currency, which were done roughly the same time for the same reason?

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21397355]So he can strike down one law established in the 1950s as a buffer against the godlessness of Communism, but he can't get rid of "Under God" in the Pledge or "In God We Trust" on our currency, which were done roughly the same time for the same reason?[/QUOTE] Because it's considered "Unpatriotic" to change your pledge or your money It's considered decent to allow somebody in a hospital But I agree, it is stupid

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21397355]So he can strike down one law established in the 1950s as a buffer against the godlessness of Communism, but he can't get rid of "Under God" in the Pledge or "In God We Trust" on our currency, which were done roughly the same time for the same reason?[/QUOTE] No because millions of angry Christians would QQ indefinitely.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21389992]Yeah, let's all focus on how religion in politics is soooo un-Constitutional, but let's just ignore the 8,645,384 other ways the government's broken the Constitution.[/QUOTE] Um, religion in politics of a secular country is dangerous, like destruction of basic rights dangerous. The government fucking up still doesn't justify the installation of a National Day or Prayer.