Shout At The Devil: Blizzard Acknowledges Diablo III Hacks - Polidicks

It does still counter piracy (until they reverse engineer the servers.) It's not their primary goal but it's in there somewhere.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36055466]It is still a form of always online DRM considering otherwise I could potentially just copy the game and give it to anyone. You'll be hard pressed to tell me that Blizzard would have intended for that to be possible otherwise.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Fear_Fox;36055486]Duuude, it WAS partly intended as a DRM. [URL]http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/01/diablo-3-cannot-be-played-offline/[/URL] Read the last part of that interview with Senior Producer Alex Mayberry.[/QUOTE] I agree, already edited my posts but it seems my ignorance will persist. [QUOTE=Protocol7;36055487]It does still counter piracy (until they reverse engineer the servers.) It's not their primary goal but it's in there somewhere.[/QUOTE] yeah that's what I mean.

[QUOTE=Ermac20;36053139]Who has time to program hacks like 2 days after a game is released?[/QUOTE] Beta [QUOTE=Protocol7;36055175]The definition clearly states "with the intent of limit[ing] the use of digital content and devices after sale." It is "DRM." It is not the widely-accepted definition of DRM as an antipiracy maneuver. It's an anti-cheating measure. And it accomplishes a lot of other things by design. Let me quote some stuff It has a bunch of good features that go along with it. Steam is DRM too, why does nobody complain about that? Offline mode only works when you have an expected downtime. Blizzard learned their lesson in Diablo 2. It's more ideal from their point of view to have always-on DRM. And then there's this. Finally Source: [url]http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/129688-why-diablo-3s-always-online-drm-is-a-good-thing/2[/url] It is, by definition, DRM. It is not an attempt to fuck the end-user - in fact, they provide services that appeal to the end user if they purchase the game.[/QUOTE] The thing is, you should be able to play the game in SP as you want to play it. I still remember the sheer amount of fun I had in diablo 2 as a kid using various save game editors to mess around as a I saw fit. It wasn't done to cheat the system (since I never ventured online) but it was done to just have merely personal fun and nothing more. Their heavy handed aproach kills that.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;36055686] The thing is, you should be able to play the game in SP as you want to play it. I still remember the sheer amount of fun I had in diablo 2 as a kid using various save game editors to mess around as a I saw fit. It wasn't done to cheat the system (since I never ventured online) but it was done to just have merely personal fun and nothing more. Their heavy handed aproach kills that.[/QUOTE] hey if you have ADD and can't handle playing a game like a normal person would you should probably wait on an emulator!

The user's session identifier is being leaked to other players in public and private games. Apparently, those aren't locked to the IP address that was used to create it, so you can steal someone's ID and then use that to communicate with Battle.net. In other words, Blizzard fucked up, bad. Real bad. Good thing is, logging out should technically destroy the ID and invalidate it server-side. Unless Blizzard fucked that up too.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36054345]No thanks. Video title includes "always on DRM" when it's clearly not DRM. I'd really rather not listen to someone blabber on over things they know nothing about. We already have enough people doing that already, considering your "poor game design" quip. Yeah, Blizzard, poor game design. They should listen to random people on FP.[/QUOTE] so you go to install your fancy new game you just payed $60 for, "multiplayer optional otherwise-singleplayer hack-and-slash RPG" you pop the CD in and wait eagerly as the splash screen loads you start the installation, waiting patiently for two or three hours, and at the end of it you're greeted by a prompt asking for your CD key you reach for the game's box, carefully going through the contents, slowly turning the pages in the manual until you find the CD key but wait, what's this? some of the characters are missing? you close the installer with a pang of disappointment, lamenting the draconian DRM of the game when you only want to play the singleplayer component of it you sigh as you send in a support ticket with your proof of purchase, in a queue of tens of thousands of others with the same problem, and you head over to the official forums skimming the threads, you begin to realize that this was a problem that affected almost every single person who purchased the game, and that it would take weeks, if not months, for the oversight to be fixed you come upon the small group of users who were lucky enough not to run into this issue. they're vehemently defending the company, saying that it isn't DRM at all but necessary to keep track of accounts for the multiplayer component, each CD key a unique serial number. without entering the CD key, you wouldn't have access to the multiplayer component, and that was a perfectly acceptable reason to prevent access to the singleplayer in addition to the multiplayer. they attack the users that bought their copy of the game and are unhappy that they aren't able to play it, despite not wanting or needing the features unlocked by entering a CD key. they don't care that others have been denied access to the product, they believe it's a sacrifice for the greater good: should the developers really allow unhindered access to the singleplayer portion of the game, or should it be locked in with the multiplayer aspect? not a perfect comparison but you're not thinking hard enough if you don't see what I'm saying, you [i]could[/i] look at this as something other than DRM but when it comes down to it, it's DRM [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] and it's doing nothing but shafting us

[QUOTE=cccritical;36057391]scrawling wall of stupid shit[/QUOTE] not only does that not relate to this situation in the slightest it's probably a contender for the stupidest thing i've ever seen written on this forum

[QUOTE=parket;36058051]not only does that not relate to this situation in the slightest it's probably a contender for the stupidest thing i've ever seen written on this forum[/QUOTE] funny, I've been thinking the same thing about your posts

On topic: Good thing I only play with friends that I trust. Off topic: At first I was thinking "Ugh...DRM..." then after I started playing and realized my crummy net could handle Diablo 3 with no problems I thought "Why did I get bent out of shape over DRM?" I honestly have no idea what you're going on about when it comes to connection woes. I've had none at all. (except when someone starts downloading, 1.3 Mbits is just not enough for more than one PC, but that's not Blizzard's fault) Seriously, if you're having worse net problems than me, I think it's time to call your ISP and yell at em'.

[QUOTE=cccritical;36057391]text [/QUOTE] What? I bought the game on battle.net, it downloaded, I installed, waited a week, then started playing with a few road bumps and interruptions. I'm sitting at ~60 hours played and it's been out for a week. What are you talking about?

[QUOTE=Fear_Fox;36052651]In addition to my previous post. Here is Blizzards own statement about having both offline and online gameplay modes: Source: [URL]http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/01/diablo-3-cannot-be-played-offline/[/URL] I never denied it works as a DRM. Because it truly does. But it being a DRM is not the [B]only[/B] reason they have it this way.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Thanks. It'd suck major balls if you spent a load of time on your offline character and then couldn't use it to play with friends. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=parket;36053083]if the only thing you can hold to diablo 3 is that it requires you to be online then you are pretty dumb[/QUOTE] This. It's TYOOL 2012. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=parket;36053244]I can play the game when I want though? It's not like one day when my net is gonna be down for maybe 4 or 5 hours I don't have other things to do. If you don't have a reliable enough net connection to play a video game then I think you probably have other problems that are far bigger than not being able to play a video game. It's a happy trade off, no cheats that damage the game for maybe not being able to play one day if my net goes down.[/QUOTE] "But I'm a sperglord neckbeard who's only purpose in life is to play video games. I might off myself if I can't play Diablo 3 for a few hours"

There's no "draconian DRM", it's just an always online, multiplayer-only game. There is no actual single player. Blizzard announced all that way before the game came out.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;36055175] It is, by definition, DRM. It is not an attempt to fuck the end-user - in fact, they provide services that appeal to the end user if they purchase the game.[/QUOTE] That's the whole argument Steam-humpers use. Why should I have to be online to play a Half Life 2? Because Steam friends!!!!!

[QUOTE=cccritical;36057391]so you go to install your fancy new game you just payed $60 for...[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but this is just so stupid...

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36059442]That's the whole argument Steam-humpers use. Why should I have to be online to play a Half Life 2? Because Steam friends!!!!![/QUOTE] Exactly. I think Steam has become a bit... bloated recently. If it weren't for all the games I had and the ridiculous sales they have I'd drop it.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;36060227]Exactly. I think Steam has become a bit... bloated recently. If it weren't for all the games I had and the ridiculous sales they have I'd drop it.[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong though, I wasn't disagreeing with you. Making games more social is really cool. Just pointing out that it seems like the same people who defend Steam are the ones complaining about Diablo.

but steam is different valve made it

[QUOTE=Fear_Fox;36054482]Read the quote I posted at the top of the page. It IS a form of DRM too. Blizzard admits it. But not exclusively a DRM.[/QUOTE] Guys. Guys listen. I have a bomb, but it's ok because it's not completely a bomb, it's also an alarm clock. See? It's ok, because it's not exclusively a bomb. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=parket;36060530]but steam is different valve made it[/QUOTE] Steam has offline mode you dense fuck. When I lose connection to the steam servers, guess what? I can still play my games. You know why? Because Valve isn't out to fuck me over for no reason. Blizzard is pretty much just cash grabbing since WOW is pretty much reaching its peak as I see it, it can't really improve or get better, it's bound to die out at some point.

[QUOTE=draugur;36060745]Guys. Guys listen. I have a bomb, but it's ok because it's not completely a bomb, it's also an alarm clock. See? It's ok, because it's not exclusively a bomb. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] Steam has offline mode you dense fuck. When I lose connection to the steam servers, guess what? I can still play my games. You know why? Because Valve isn't out to fuck me over for no reason. Blizzard is pretty much just cash grabbing since WOW is pretty much reaching its peak as I see it, it can't really improve or get better, it's bound to die out at some point.[/QUOTE] Hah! steams "offline mode" where you need to be online to put it into offline mode?

[QUOTE=draugur;36060745]Guys. Guys listen. I have a bomb, but it's ok because it's not completely a bomb, it's also an alarm clock. See? It's ok, because it's not exclusively a bomb. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] Steam has offline mode you dense fuck. When I lose connection to the steam servers, guess what? I can still play my games. You know why? Because Valve isn't out to fuck me over for no reason. Blizzard is pretty much just cash grabbing since WOW is pretty much reaching its peak as I see it, it can't really improve or get better, it's bound to die out at some point.[/QUOTE] You don't have to say stupid shit to get a shot in at WoW, it's like the easiest target to hit.

[QUOTE=parket;36061032]Hah! steams "offline mode" where you need to be online to put it into offline mode?[/QUOTE] If you're already logged into steam when your internet goes down, you stay signed in, from what I've heard about Diablo 3, you get kicked the fuck out of what you're doing. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;36061175]You don't have to say stupid shit to get a shot in at WoW, it's like the easiest target to hit.[/QUOTE] GASP! people have a different opinion then me, they must be stupid!

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;36061200]If you're already logged into steam when your internet goes down, you stay signed in, from what I've heard about Diablo 3, you get kicked the fuck out of what you're doing.[/quote] Yes, in D3 you get kicked out because its an online-only game, like WOW is. Do you see anyone demanding an offline version of WOW so that they can solo quests when the servers go down? [quote]GASP! people have a different opinion then me, they must be stupid![/QUOTE] didn't you ghost rate my post "dumb"?

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;36061200]If [B]you're already logged into steam when your internet goes down[/B], you stay signed in, from what I've heard about Diablo 3, you get kicked the fuck out of what you're doing. [/QUOTE] I was really just laughing at the idea of an offline mode that you need a connection to initiate being used as a counter to Diablo 3. Moving on, let me get this straight you're angry that you get kicked off the "singleplayer" in diablo 3 because you're not on the internet? Let me give you a list of the things that would happen if they designed the game around people who want to play without internet: -Achievement unlockers for people who play bad, leaving the only official indicator of a player's skill meaningless so people with similar abilities cannot band together to tackle tougher content in the game. -Gold dupe, leading to deflation leaving regular players powerless to buy any gear or dictate how the AH works. -Item dupe, leading to deflation of what should be expensive, extremely rare and sought after items and destroying any possibility of translating the reward to other blizzard games through the RMAH. -Stat mods for cheating babby bitch faggots. Each and every one of those options aren't possible right now due to the "DRM >:(" because players would abuse it and it would ruin the "multiplayer" experience, where all the people who are actually interested in playing the game are. This isn't even taking into account the ranked PvP which is soon to be implemented in a patch. You might argue, but oh no! What if they made seperate heroes for singleplayer and multiplayer! Well I'll tell you why because that's more fucking stupid than a few hours of maintenance. Who wants to work on two different characters because some retard wants to play for 20 minutes, in some obscure location in the asshole of nowhere without internet? Even better, would YOU want to waste that time? Something tells me that's an arbitrary restriction that would annoy everyone more than some downtime here and there. All this without mentioning the wasted development time (which was obviously tight, given they took out PvP) of hauling the AI clientside and whatnot, which any sensible developer wouldn't give a rats asshole about because some russian will just make an emulator server anyway so 5 year olds can get instant level 60s. Which should content the ADD players who can't play their singleplayer games without cheating to make it so ridiculously easy they could take a shit on the keyboard and win. All in all, if you're complaining about not being able to play diablo 3 while away to your gran's house for tea read all that - if you're complaining because they didn't design it around your net going out well that's just laughable get the fuck out of here. [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZvDFoX2Rrs[/media] Did I really write all that for the person who made this?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36061993]haha holy shit you have the worst reasoning maybe people want to play singleplayer for the: story ability to not lag out or have latency fluctuation (this happens all the damned time, it even got me killed for the first time because apparently my arrows didnt come out of my crossbow and i died) lan parties (not everyone is going to pay 60 bucks for a game they are going to play at a lan party once) or or or, get this why the fuck do you care if someone cheats in a singleplayer game, how does it affect you? [/quote] They wanted people to make characters they could take between solo and online play, without having to restart a whole new character for that purpose as they did with Diablo 2. In order to accomplish this the characters have to be stored server side and the loot done server side in order to ensure the integrity of the game, the RMAH probably being one of the main concerns. It also has the benefit to blizzard of harming piracy, as well. [quote] yeah because diablo is an mmo and dont give me the dumb fuck "but people only play diablo 4 da multiplayer" so you're telling me all 4 million+ people who bought diablo 2 played online multiplayer, and never singleplayer or lan?[/QUOTE] The genre is irrelevant, I brought WOW up as an example of an online-only game that you can play entirely solo if that's what you want to do. D3 is the same way, it's online only, and if you want to play solo in a 1/4 game, that's your choice. It's not a single player game and it was not advertised as one. And yeah, I will go out on a limb and say that Diablo 2 thrived because of it's multiplayer component.

Edit : dumb

My bomb argument is still valid.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;36059299]Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Thanks. It'd suck major balls if you spent a load of time on your offline character and then couldn't use it to play with friends.[/QUOTE] That shouldn't matter. It should be the choice of the player if they want to separate themselves from the online portion of the game. Even Hellgate London had an offline mode, and that was a game that had an elite subscription for online so they had good reason to encourage online play. [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes]That's the whole argument Steam-humpers use. Why should I have to be online to play a Half Life 2? Because Steam friends!!!!![/QUOTE] I'm not a big fan of Steam either. I like the convenience of having access to my games to download in one program but I really despise the shoddy offline mode it has.

Given the many issues with the game, the horrible DRM. I feel like this is gonna' be a train wreck very soon.

[QUOTE=parket;36048907]Hah, have you ever played a private server? Fucking horrible compared to retail[/QUOTE] Only due to them lacking player bases - back in ~2006 when emulators like MANGOS were popular they could rival or exceed the potential for fun that retail servers had because of the additional content / raised level caps.

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;36073680]Only due to them lacking player bases - back in ~2006 when emulators like MANGOS were popular they could rival or exceed the potential for fun that retail servers had because of the additional content / raised level caps.[/QUOTE] yeah and what age were you back in 2006 [editline]24th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=lolo;36073417]Given the many issues with the game, the horrible DRM. I feel like this is gonna' be a train wreck very soon.[/QUOTE] yeah all six and a half million people who bought it will spontaneously stop playing