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[QUOTE=GlebGuy;51926083]Can someone explain to me why making a world wide state is a bad thing? I mean, we'd all be under one flag as a species, isn't that a good thing?[/QUOTE] With all the different languages and cultures in this world, it is impossible. You would have to selfishly pick a dominant culture and destroy all others. Sorry, but I don't want the entire world to be as anti-cultural as China, where they are destroying Cantonese to unite the country through Mandarin. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51926085]Wikileaks is, for me, false till proven true. [/QUOTE] yea if you wanna go ahead and doubt legitimate documents, you can go right ahead and stick your head in the sand.

[QUOTE=Govna;51926900]Yet surprisingly, we haven't gone full-on Russian and poisoned you yet Assange...[/QUOTE] Killing Assange would be a huge mistake. Dude would instantly become a martyr.

While I personally am not quite happy with Assange's behavior in the past year or so, I will say that this massive dump is a pretty major development- looking through it, there's a gigantic amount of documentation covering all sorts of things from inter-agency proceedings to actual malware/hacking tool R&D docs and user manuals of all things. Going to be a very, very interesting week now that this is out, especially as more companies and security researchers begin to trawl through the information. However, this may also have the side effect of allowing other countries to have an inside look at the CIA's operations, which will make it much harder for our counterespionage operations to continue to succeed down the road.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51926941]No, I'm calling out people who are only questioning the veracity of the information leaked solely because they are or appear to support the right wing, even though their record with their leaks is top notch. [/QUOTE] Clearly the notches don't aspire to very high altitudes in your world.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51926957]Killing Assange would be a huge mistake. Dude would instantly become a martyr.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Would be way better to just work against leakers and the Wikileaks organization while letting Assange rot in an embassy raving about conspiracy theories. [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51926941]No, I'm calling out people who are only questioning the veracity of the information leaked solely because they are or appear to support the right wing, even though their record with their leaks is top notch. [/QUOTE] When you tweet out [URL="https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/831468455413030912"]shit like this[/URL] people are going to become a lot more skeptical of the shit you have to say or reveal. If you can't agree that that statement isn't at least a little bit suspicious then you have no ground calling other people ideologues.

[QUOTE=GlebGuy;51926083]Can someone explain to me why making a world wide state is a bad thing? I mean, we'd all be under one flag as a species, isn't that a good thing?[/QUOTE] Because then you can't move anywhere else if you're unhappy with the current state of affairs.

[QUOTE=GlebGuy;51926083]Can someone explain to me why making a world wide state is a bad thing? I mean, we'd all be under one flag as a species, isn't that a good thing?[/QUOTE] the death of culture, the fact that there would be a completely unchecked global government, the mass genoicde that would be required to achieve this

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51926981]When you tweet out [URL="https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/831468455413030912"]shit like this[/URL] people are going to become a lot more skeptical of the shit you have to say or reveal. If you can't agree that that statement isn't at least a little bit suspicious then you have no ground calling other people ideologues.[/QUOTE] Yeah, haven't seen that tweet. That's starting to go towards tin foil hat area. I've never put stock into anything Assange has said. I don't even pay attention to him. My focus is what information is coming from wikileaks, and is it true. So far, the LEAKS coming from them have all been true, and even if he went full tin foil hat, him being a nutjob doesn't make authentic and true leaks any less authentic or true. That's my point here.

I don't even blame assange for going insane considering he's been trapped in that embassy for nearly five years

[QUOTE=GlebGuy;51926083]Can someone explain to me why making a world wide state is a bad thing? I mean, we'd all be under one flag as a species, isn't that a good thing?[/QUOTE] If you don't like a certain country's laws you can attempt to fuck off somewhere else that might suit you better. For instance, I wanna fuck off out of this place and go to the US or maybe Japan due to laws that better suit my interests and hobbies. If the entire world was like the EU, I'd be fucked.

snowden-tier info dump about how the CIA can hack into essentially any IOT/Device and turn it into a bug/control it/etc., lets talk about trump bias instead because this is clearly more importiant. the cia using the consolate in germany to let european hackers go wild, obtaining hundreds of zero day exploits, and building up a malware database to leave fingerprints of other people/countries on devices when they hack in is not important right now. lets also forget that this could also buff the conspiracy theroies that journalists trying to expose stuff like this like [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Alleged_foul_play_controversy"]michael hastings[/URL] who got killed because his car got controlled via hack and then slammed into a tree. but hey a few ad hominems dont hurt

[QUOTE=Kljunas;51926982]Because then you can't move anywhere else if you're unhappy with the current state of affairs.[/QUOTE] Where can you move now? Where is truly better than the rest? Canada is often the gold standard people strive for, but real talk it's not actually much better and is quite keen to indulge in the same awful crap we do down south in the states. Culture dies anyway, a dominant super-culture will eventually overwhelm all others regardless, and as the world becomes more interconnected and cultures intermingle they're going to blend more and more and become less distinct. But it will not make it uniform either. The existence of the large scale cultures we already have today produces the subcultures we all know and love and take part in. Be it anime/manga or car enthusiasm or goth or hipster. These exist because the larger cultures we follow ultimately cannot fit everyone. So they broadly cover society while leaving threads for subcultures to develop where, so long as one largely adheres to the main culture. The subculture can thrive and even conflict mildly with the larger culture it branches from so long as it doesn't go too far. In short, there is no escaping the shit we're in now and the large cultures are going to blend and erode their borders more while subcultures continue to develop and thrive.

[QUOTE=Judas;51927000]the death of culture, the fact that there would be a completely unchecked global government, the mass genoicde that would be required to achieve this[/QUOTE] Death of culture is an absurd conclusion to come to, there's zero reason why a single governing body means homogenized culture. There's also zero reason to think to would be unchecked, any more than any other government would be unchecked. I don't even know why you think genocide would have to take place. I will say that right now, a world government isn't feasible at all, but 200, 300 years into the future? It's what we should be striving for. Better to have a government that works to benefit everyone, rather than have >100 competing governments.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51927208]Where can you move now? Where is truly better than the rest? Canada is often the gold standard people strive for, but real talk it's not actually much better and is quite keen to indulge in the same awful crap we do down south in the states.[/QUOTE] That's just your personal opinion.

Also because of this info dump, trump saying that obama wiretapping him actually has some credit to it now. Also how do we know that the russia hacking election shit can be true now? These files prove that CIA can leave whatever fingerprint they want on any hack they do. CIA can be full of insider warring faction shit and we wouldnt even know. these files bring so many conspiracies back to life in a huge way.

[QUOTE=Wii60;51927237]Also because of this info dump, trump saying that obama wiretapping him actually has some credit to it now. Also how do we know that the russia hacking election shit can be true now? These files prove that CIA can leave whatever fingerprint they want on any hack they do. CIA can be full of insider warring faction shit and we wouldnt even know.[/QUOTE] How do the leaks corroborate your first statement? And as for the second, be that as it may, what reason would they have for hacking the democrats, installing Trump, and blaming the Russians for something that they want to happen anyways? I thought the narrative was that the intelligence community hated Trump. Why would they help him?

[QUOTE=Doozle;51926344]The cia will hack your smart tv and use it to assassinate you without being detected[/QUOTE] While the CIA hasn't gone that far yet, the leaks do have documents wherein is stated that the CIA can use Smart TVs to record audio from whatever room it is installed in.

[QUOTE=Wii60;51927237]Also because of this info dump, trump saying that obama wiretapping him actually has some credit to it now.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;51927181] but hey a few ad hominems dont hurt[/QUOTE] Neither do a few baseless assumptions and assertions, apparently.

So they can spy on anyone with practically any device and even commit crimes without leaving traces This should be blowing up but alas they'll probably just get away with it, people with huge paranoia must be destroying every device in their home right now

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927254]No it doesn't. [/QUOTE] so your saying that the CIA bulk collecting info on everyone by being able to control IOT Devices is not wiretapping The NSA leaks from earlier proves they are basically surveying every citizen in the US via [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)"]PRISM[/URL], how do you know trump isnt being spied upon using these tactics? edit: [QUOTE] The attack against Samsung smart TVs was developed in cooperation with the United Kingdom's MI5/BTSS. After infestation, Weeping Angel places the target TV in a 'Fake-Off' mode, so that the owner falsely believes the TV is off when it is on. In 'Fake-Off' mode the TV operates as a bug, recording conversations in the room and sending them over the Internet to a covert CIA server.[/QUOTE] good shit

I'm reading the stuff about "hacking vehicles" and all it mentions is "Vehicle Systems (e.g. VSEP)" and I don't know what VSEP stands for. Google produces nothing but a couple sources linking this story. What is VSEP? [QUOTE=Wii60;51927290]so your saying that the CIA bulk collecting info on everyone by being able to control IOT Devices is not wiretapping The NSA leaks from earlier proves they are basically surveying every citizen in the US, how do you know trump isnt involved in that?[/QUOTE] How am I supposed to prove something didn't happen? The burden of proof is on you to show how the CIA wiretapped Trump Tower.

[QUOTE=froztshock;51927246]How do the leaks corroborate your first statement? And as for the second, be that as it may, what reason would they have for hacking the democrats, installing Trump, and blaming the Russians for something that they want to happen anyways? I thought the narrative was that the intelligence community hated Trump. Why would they help him?[/QUOTE] That's the thing. In the last few weeks, you have seen certain media figures sprout how the ''deep state'' is going to stop Trump by showing proof of his contacts with Russia. You saw it with many ''NeverTrumpers'', who have some people leading it who have CIA contacts, such as Evan McMullin. What they bet on, was that the CIA would have proof that Trump would have ordered the Russians personally to hack the mails of the DNC or something among those lines. What this leak shows now, is that there is the massive possibility that said evidence might have been tampered with, since the CIA could easily fake those digital footprints. The legality of putting the wiretap on Trump Tower in the first place is also extremely questionable now, as the first attempt for it was actually denied by the FISA, which is apparently an extremely rare occurrence, on ground of having zero cause for putting a wiretap. And apparently, the reason for the tap being planted, is because one server in Trump Tower allegedly pinged the server of a Russian business every so often..... Which might have been fabricated as well now. The question is, who planted the evidence in the first place? As Wikileaks said, that digital footprint spoofing isn't unique to only the CIA anymore. Did a Russian really break into the DNC mails, or was the digital footprint planted there to cover up whoever really brought those DNC mails towards Wikileaks? The main reason I can think for that, is if it was to cover up an inside leak.

[QUOTE=Wii60;51927290]so your saying that the CIA bulk collecting info on everyone by being able to control IOT Devices is not wiretapping The NSA leaks from earlier proves they are basically surveying every citizen in the US via [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)"]PRISM[/URL], how do you know trump isnt being spied upon using these tactics? edit: good shit[/QUOTE] I mean I don't think whether they're [i]capable[/i] of wiretapping Trump Tower was ever in question even before all this, lol. Because they clearly are. I agree this is all fucked up and very concerning but whether they use old toys or new they would've been able to do it. There's still no evidence that they [I]did[/I].

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927319]I'm reading the stuff about "hacking vehicles" and all it mentions is "Vehicle Systems (e.g. VSEP)" and I don't know what VSEP stands for. Google produces nothing but a couple sources linking this story. What is VSEP? [/QUOTE] VSEP im assuming is essentially a digital OS that runs the entire car. Odometer, gas, how much brakes you apply before stopping, tire pressure, etc. is all part of that. Self-driving cars use those types of systems too to drive.

[QUOTE=Wii60;51927341]VSEP is essentially a digital OS that runs the entire car. Odometer, gas, how much brakes you apply before stopping, tire pressure, etc. is all part of that. Self-driving cars are adding the new tech stuff to the VSEP.[/QUOTE] I am not very well versed in modern car technology, but could it also affect the cruise control of most cars?

[QUOTE=Jordax;51927345]I am not very well versed in modern car technology, but could it also affect the cruise control of most cars?[/QUOTE] im assuming yes. especially if it involves adaptive cruise control (a system that makes the car move faster and slower depending on the traffic in front of it.)

[QUOTE=Wii60;51927341]VSEP [B]im assuming[/B] is essentially a digital OS that runs the entire car. Odometer, gas, how much brakes you apply before stopping, tire pressure, etc. is all part of that. Self-driving cars use those types of systems too to drive.[/QUOTE] Yeah here is kind of the problem with Wikileaks. They pulled Vehicle Systems from the CIA document and an acronym that no one seems to recognize and implied that the CIA can hack your car and turn the steering wheel or cut your breaks at will.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927354]Yeah here is kind of the problem with Wikileaks. They pulled Vehicle Systems from the CIA document and an acronym that no one seems to recognize and implied that the CIA can hack your car and turn the steering wheel or cut your breaks at will.[/QUOTE] have you seen the jeep hack? they could do whatever they wanted with your car. [video=youtube;MK0SrxBC1xs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK0SrxBC1xs[/video] CIA can wreck some shit if they really wanted to. it's not a far fetched thing.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51926085][B]Wikileaks is, for me, false till proven true[/B]. They got an agenda (see Assange trying to form a libertarian party in Aus and supporting Donald Trump during election). They use information as a weapon and do not apply the purported doctrine of transparency unless it serves them and their goals. Selective transparency and deception by omission is little better than lying; and thats assuming you can even trust the validity their sources. If I set up a website called "wikiwhistleblower" and posted a bunch of stuff would you believe me? If so - why? Assange is a fervent anti state nutter - Year Zero will be just another thing to try and undermine peoples faith/confidence in the state.[/QUOTE] Okay well enjoy being demonstrably wrong seeing as all of their leaks thus far have been genuine. You can disagree with their agenda/motives but the info they publish has been valid.

[QUOTE=Wii60;51927237]Also because of this info dump, trump saying that obama wiretapping him actually has some credit to it now.[/quote] [QUOTE=Wii60;51927237]Also because of this info dump, trump saying that obama wiretapping him actually has some credit to it now.[/quote] No, it really doesn't. There is still [B]zero[/B] evidence to support that claim, and the claim itself makes no fucking sense. 1) Obama wiretaps Trump 2) Obama collects incriminating information via his wiretap on Trump 3) Obama cackles and rubs his hands. 4) Obama does nothing? 5) Obama allows Trump to win? 6) Obama rides off into the sunset? Forgive me for not following that logic. Capability doesn't prove culpability. That Obama [I]could[/I] have wiretapped Trump doesn't prove that he [I]did.[/I] The claim makes no sense to begin with, and has no evidence to support it.