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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51927380]No, it really doesn't. There is still [B]zero[/B] evidence to support that claim, and the claim itself makes no fucking sense. 1) Obama wiretaps Trump 2) Obama collects incriminating information via his wiretap on Trump 3) Obama cackles and rubs his hands. 4) Obama does nothing? 5) Obama allows Trump to win? 6) Obama rides off into the sunset? Forgive me for not following that logic.[/QUOTE] Behold the might of the Deep State Shadow Government. [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;51927363]have you seen the jeep hack? they could do whatever they wanted with your car. CIA can wreck some shit if they really wanted to. it's not a far fetched thing.[/QUOTE] They couldn't do whatever they wanted with your car, at least not remotely. As far as anyone is aware this affected a single year and make of vehicle, though Chrysler recalled several models between the years of 2013 and 2015. Afterwards the hackers discovered a way to do [URL="https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/"]a lot more with a vehicle[/URL] than simply taking advantage of a software oversight. The caveat is that it required a computer being connected directly to the vehicle, and Chrysler didn't seem particularly worried about it. It's pretty far fetched and pure speculation that the CIA is capable of hacking a vehicles "VSEP" (no one knows what this is) to turn your steering wheel into the nearest tree.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51927380]No, it really doesn't. There is still [B]zero[/B] evidence to support that claim, and the claim itself makes no fucking sense. 1) Obama wiretaps Trump 2) Obama collects incriminating information via his wiretap on Trump 3) Obama cackles and rubs his hands. 4) Obama does nothing? 5) Obama allows Trump to win? 6) Obama rides off into the sunset? Forgive me for not following that logic. Capability doesn't prove occurrence. That Obama [I]could[/I] have wiretapped Trump doesn't prove that he [I]did.[/I] The claim makes no sense to begin with, and has no evidence to support it.[/QUOTE] The idea from trump was they didnt find anything in the tap, but tried.

This is pretty clearly another case of cyber-warfare from the Russian government, leaked through their state's favorite "independent" actor: Wikileaks. That the CIA is exploring ways to use modern technology to gather cyber-intelligence and exploit security vulnerabilities is not surprising. So is every other major world government, along with countless independent hackers. The timing and content of this leak was clearly intended to achieve maximum possible effect, with the goal being to further destabilize our country under the erratic and authoritarian "leadership" of a fascist, treasonous manchild. Trump claims "That SICK GUY Obama spied on me! Sad! Pathetic!" Days later, Wikileaks publishes CIA cyber-intelligence capabilities. There's no link there. There's no proof of anything other than what the CIA is [I]capable[/I] of doing, and even that is fairly suspect in terms of actual potential application. Yet, that's really all it takes for people to speculate, connecting dots that don't go together. While it's certainly eye-opening to see just how powerful cyber intelligence agencies can truly be, and is frightening to think how oblivious we could be of their meddling, it doesn't lend any credibility whatsoever to Trump's claims that Obama is a "sick guy" who was actually spying on him, because that claim still makes zero goddamn sense.

Like this tiny aspect of the leak is proving a lot of the points made on the previous page. Wikileaks drops a document that is possibly entirely factual, that the CIA was investigating ways to access vehicle systems to do anything from passive surveillance, active recording, or vehicle controls ranging from simple engine shut offs to complete control and without really understanding what that means, Wikileaks tells us it's so they can assassinate people undetected. Because, you know, they didn't have that capability before. [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mattk50;51927412]The idea from trump was they didnt find anything in the tap, but tried.[/QUOTE] Well the idea was originally that the FBI tapped him.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927354]Yeah here is kind of the problem with Wikileaks. They pulled Vehicle Systems from the CIA document and an acronym that no one seems to recognize and implied that the CIA can hack your car and turn the steering wheel or cut your breaks at will.[/QUOTE] That would be too oblivious. Something as tampering with the cruise control speed would be way easier to pass off as an accident. High-speed crashes are less suspicious than someone suddenly veering off into a channel or a tree at normal speed with no one else around. It is especially something to keep in mind with the death of Michael Hastings. So we have a journalist who has been paranoid of everything in months, does think multiple of his belongings, including his car have been tampered with, and yet piledrives his Mercedes-Benz C250 at full speed straight into a firm tree at four in the morning?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51927415]This is pretty clearly another case of cyber-warfare from the Russian government, leaked their state's favorite "independent" actor: Wikileaks. That the CIA is exploring ways to use modern security to gather cyber-intelligence and exploit security vulnerabilities is not surprising. So is every other major world government, along with countless. The timing and content of this leak was clearly intended to achieve maximum possible effect, with the goal being to further destabilize our country under the erratic and authoritarian "leadership" of a fascist, treasonous manchild. While it's certainly eye-opening to see just how powerful cyber intelligence agencies can truly be, and is frightening to think how oblivious we could be of their meddling, it doesn't lend any credibility whatsoever to Trump's claims that Obama is a "sick guy" who was personally spying on him, because that claim still makes zero goddamn sense.[/QUOTE] Yeah, a lot of this is rather old news, as evidence by us having to reference videos from 2015 about hacking cars. We have known that both the UK and the US have looked into exploiting vulnerabilities in iOS and Android without giving out the vulnerabilities used, so it makes sense that the CIA would have access to this technique. Some of the "cyber weapons" are interesting though, like the fingerprint one. Just going over it myself, much like the DNC and Podesta leaks, there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest here.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927436]Yeah, a lot of this is rather old news, as evidence by us having to reference videos from 2015 about hacking cars.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.wired.com/2016/09/tesla-responds-chinese-hack-major-security-upgrade/"]how about a late 2016 hack on tesla cars?[/URL] where the china firm could directly control vehicle systems like brakes??

[QUOTE=Jordax;51927425]That would be too oblivious. Something as tampering with the cruise control speed would be way easier to pass off as an accident. High-speed crashes are less suspicious than someone suddenly veering off into a channel or a tree at normal speed with no one else around. It is especially something to keep in mind with the death of Michael Hastings. So we have a journalist who has been paranoid of everything in months, does think multiple of his belongings, including his car have been tampered with, and yet piledrives his Mercedes-Benz C250 at full speed straight into a firm tree at four in the morning?[/QUOTE] Maybe he got into a car accident :conspiratard: [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;51927443][URL="https://www.wired.com/2016/09/tesla-responds-chinese-hack-major-security-upgrade/"]how about a late 2016 hack on tesla cars?[/URL] where the china firm could directly control vehicle systems like brakes??[/QUOTE] Some cars are hackable in certain circumstances. I'm not surprised that the CIA is investigating applications for this. I don't know what else you want me to say.

[QUOTE=Wii60;51927443][URL="https://www.wired.com/2016/09/tesla-responds-chinese-hack-major-security-upgrade/"]how about a late 2016 hack on tesla cars?[/URL] where the china firm could directly control vehicle systems like brakes??[/QUOTE] Autonomous vehicle technology does certainly seem more exploitable, because the computer systems are directly responsible for detecting the environment and moving the vehicle through the environment. The same isn't true of non-autonomous vehicles, in which the computer system basically just deals with monitoring systems and performance and electronic features of the vehicle. This is also a pretty new technology, and has a lot of bugs that are being worked out. Thankfully, those exploits are also easily patched once discovered. Again though, capability does not prove culpability. Even assuming that the CIA [I]had[/I] the power to actually take control of your vehicle and force you into a fatal crash, it does not prove that a fatal crash was the result of CIA assassination. There are ~5.5m car crashes per year in the United States, tens of thousands of which are fatal. Coincidence of timing of the fatal crash of a manic reporter doesn't make assassination the more likely explanation for such an event.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927445]Maybe he got into a car accident :conspiratard:[/QUOTE] [quote]Hastings' widow, Elise Jordan, has said she believes his death to be "just a really tragic accident".[77][78] His older brother, Jonathan, said he believed Michael was experiencing a "manic episode" shortly before his death, and that he may have had suspicions were it not for this observation.[79][/quote] I mean on one hand it's suspicious as fuck that he crashed the way he did, but on the other hand it sounds like his mental state was a bit dodgy. There's also this: [quote] His widow Elise Jordan said his final story was a profile of CIA Director John O. Brennan.[/quote] I mean unless she didn't get the whole story that doesn't sound like the kind of thing that you kill someone over.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927354]Yeah here is kind of the problem with Wikileaks. They pulled Vehicle Systems from the CIA document and an acronym that no one seems to recognize and implied that the CIA can hack your car and turn the steering wheel or cut your breaks at will.[/QUOTE] i'm doing some research right now and am finding a few things regarding VSEP that i find interesting in reference to using GPS for navigation, Velocity Spherical Error Probable, which I believe is a quantification of probable GPS errors [url]http://academic.csuohio.edu/simond/pubs/SimonGPSDesign93.pdf[/url] [url]http://academic.csuohio.edu/simond/pubs/AESMag95.pdf[/url] some sort of integrated circuit found in many vehicles, though I cannot access the full text to see what it is [url]http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5284601/?reload=true[/url] [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] i am also finding some evidence it might relate to fuel filtration

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51927487]i'm doing some research right now and am finding a few things regarding VSEP that i find interesting in reference to using GPS for navigation, Velocity Spherical Error Probable, which I believe is a quantification of probable GPS errors [URL]http://academic.csuohio.edu/simond/pubs/SimonGPSDesign93.pdf[/URL] [URL]http://academic.csuohio.edu/simond/pubs/AESMag95.pdf[/URL] some sort of integrated circuit found in many vehicles, though I cannot access the full text to see what it is [URL]http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5284601/?reload=true[/URL] [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] i am also finding some evidence it might relate to fuel filtration[/QUOTE] Thanks for this, I couldn't find it anywhere. It's a shame that last link is behind a paywall. If by fuel filtration you mean [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibratory_shear-enhanced_process"]Vibratory shear-enhanced process[/URL], I don't really think that is something that can be done electronically to a vehicle. It seems like some sort of industrial refining process.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51927511]Thanks for this, I couldn't find it anywhere. It's a shame that last link is behind a paywall. If by fuel filtration you mean [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibratory_shear-enhanced_process"]Vibratory shear-enhanced process[/URL], I don't really think that is something that can be done electronically to a vehicle. It seems like some sort of industrial refining process.[/QUOTE] yeah, i see that now. another thing i found that is likely not related due to it not being an integrated system but a variable but i find interesting nonetheless is that Vsep seems to be separation velocity when in reference to automotive accident investigation, simulation, and drive train considerations [url]https://books.google.com/books?id=PnDSBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=VSEP+vehicle&source=bl&ots=IROzXM_uew&sig=AfvXkquXy33CtyrdEZZYPyXJbcE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFsYDjl8XSAhVL92MKHVq2A48Q6AEITzAI#v=onepage&q=VSEP%20vehicle&f=false[/url] [url]http://www.edccorp.com/library/NewsPdfs/NewsSpring07.pdf[/url] [url]http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3182&context=etd[/url] probably not related to this because, as i said, it isn't an integrated system but i found it interesting exclusively due to the topic at hand

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51927415]This is pretty clearly another case of cyber-warfare from the Russian government, leaked through their state's favorite "independent" actor: Wikileaks. That the CIA is exploring ways to use modern technology to gather cyber-intelligence and exploit security vulnerabilities is not surprising. So is every other major world government, along with countless independent hackers. The timing and content of this leak was clearly intended to achieve maximum possible effect, with the goal being to further destabilize our country under the erratic and authoritarian "leadership" of a fascist, treasonous manchild. Trump claims "That SICK GUY Obama spied on me! Sad! Pathetic!" Days later, Wikileaks publishes CIA cyber-intelligence capabilities. There's no link there. There's no proof of anything other than what the CIA is [I]capable[/I] of doing, and even that is fairly suspect in terms of actual potential application. Yet, that's really all it takes for people to speculate, connecting dots that don't go together. While it's certainly eye-opening to see just how powerful cyber intelligence agencies can truly be, and is frightening to think how oblivious we could be of their meddling, it doesn't lend any credibility whatsoever to Trump's claims that Obama is a "sick guy" who was actually spying on him, because that claim still makes zero goddamn sense.[/QUOTE] but look, if the CIA was capable of finding this supposed evidence to link trump to the russians, then why the fuck wouldn't they release it? the guy who was forced to resign is a proven patsy, in that everything he was saying to the russians was benign diplomatic work that is typical of other cabinets in the past. in fact, I am of the opinion that our government should not be able to legally spy on it's own citizens in the extreme capacity that it does today. our government can and has abused the power it possesses.

[QUOTE=space1;51926946]With all the different languages and cultures in this world, it is impossible. You would have to selfishly pick a dominant culture and destroy all others. Sorry, but I don't want the entire world to be as anti-cultural as China, where they are destroying Cantonese to unite the country through Mandarin.[/QUOTE] uh states =/= nations there have been many instances of empires and federations where multiple nations coexisted within them i mean a world government could end up resembling the Holy Roman Empire, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51927901]uh states =/= nations there have been many instances of empires and federations where multiple nations coexisted within them [/QUOTE] im sorry but i would not like to live in your dystopian future [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51927901] i mean a world government could end up resembling the Holy Roman Empire, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing[/QUOTE] Sure, if you would like a country founded through a history of bloodshed and persecution, go ahead. [quote]Titus was apparently bent on ending Judaism as a religion. He sought to slaughter their animals, kill their men, rape their women, enslave their children, and kill their God. When he finally did breach the walls, his soldiers set upon everyone - man, woman, child, those who stayed loyal to Rome, and those who did not. The city went up in flames. The roar of the inferno mixed with screams of agony as the Romans swept through the upper and lower city, literally clambering over dead bodies in pursuit of the rebels, until they reached the Temple, set it aflame, and reduced it to dust. When the fires subsided, Titus gave the order to destroy the remainder of the city, seeking that no one would remember the name Jerusalem.[37] The Temple was demolished, after which Titus' soldiers proclaimed him imperator in honor of the victory.[38][/quote][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus#Siege_of_Jerusalem"] [/URL]

[QUOTE=space1;51927925]im sorry but i would not like to live in your dystopian future Sure, if you would like a country founded through a history of bloodshed and persecution, go ahead. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus#Siege_of_Jerusalem"] [/URL][/QUOTE] How do you automatically know that it would be a dystopian? The only legitimate concern I see is that there could see is that there may be little accountability for those at top, since there is, by definition of a world government, no one else at top to oppose them.

[QUOTE=da space core;51928034]How do you automatically know that it would be a dystopian? The only legitimate concern I see is that there could see is that there may be little accountability for those at top, since there is, by definition of a world government, no one else at top to oppose them.[/QUOTE] Which is exactly the problem? the current shift in political organization is towards that of a perfect socialist government disguised by promises of capitalism with a loss of freedom of speech/privacy "for the good of the majority". While this is "stable", there is a lot of moral ambiguity about the amount of power governments have and how it is and will be used in the future.

[QUOTE=space1;51927925]im sorry but i would not like to live in your dystopian future Sure, if you would like a country founded through a history of bloodshed and persecution, go ahead. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus#Siege_of_Jerusalem"] [/URL][/QUOTE] You've completely missed the point of his analogy. All Sobotnik said was that a "world government" could essentially wind up just being a global confederation. It's not a 100% "hand over ALL of your sovereignty to B R U S S E L S." I mean you're here defending nationalism and complete independence, should I just post quotes about nazi germany and go "hah. see? Who would want that lmao."

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51927415]This is pretty clearly another case of cyber-warfare from the Russian government, leaked through their state's favorite "independent" actor: Wikileaks. That the CIA is exploring ways to use modern technology to gather cyber-intelligence and exploit security vulnerabilities is not surprising. So is every other major world government, along with countless independent hackers. The timing and content of this leak was clearly intended to achieve maximum possible effect, with the goal being to further destabilize our country under the erratic and authoritarian "leadership" of a fascist, treasonous manchild. Trump claims "That SICK GUY Obama spied on me! Sad! Pathetic!" Days later, Wikileaks publishes CIA cyber-intelligence capabilities. There's no link there. There's no proof of anything other than what the CIA is [I]capable[/I] of doing, and even that is fairly suspect in terms of actual potential application. Yet, that's really all it takes for people to speculate, connecting dots that don't go together. While it's certainly eye-opening to see just how powerful cyber intelligence agencies can truly be, and is frightening to think how oblivious we could be of their meddling, it doesn't lend any credibility whatsoever to Trump's claims that Obama is a "sick guy" who was actually spying on him, because that claim still makes zero goddamn sense.[/QUOTE] Is there any solid evidence that suggests Wikileaks works for Russia, or are you just going to shout "There's no evidence of the CIA doing these things!" while simultaneously making unsubstantiated claims that it's all a Russian psy-op?

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51928071]You've completely missed the point of his analogy. All Sobotnik said was that a "world government" could essentially wind up just being a global confederation. It's not a 100% "hand over ALL of your sovereignty to B R U S S E L S." I mean you're here defending nationalism and complete independence, should I just post quotes about nazi germany and go "hah. see? Who would want that lmao."[/QUOTE] It's okay to protect your own identity to some extent, so long as it doesn't destroy other identities in the process. Do you think it's okay that we conquered and almost completely destroyed the native american people?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51927415]This is pretty clearly another case of cyber-warfare from the Russian government, leaked through their state's favorite "independent" actor: Wikileaks. That the CIA is exploring ways to use modern technology to gather cyber-intelligence and exploit security vulnerabilities is not surprising. So is every other major world government, along with countless independent hackers. The timing and content of this leak was clearly intended to achieve maximum possible effect, with the goal being to further destabilize our country under the erratic and authoritarian "leadership" of a fascist, treasonous manchild. Trump claims "That SICK GUY Obama spied on me! Sad! Pathetic!" Days later, Wikileaks publishes CIA cyber-intelligence capabilities. There's no link there. There's no proof of anything other than what the CIA is [I]capable[/I] of doing, and even that is fairly suspect in terms of actual potential application. Yet, that's really all it takes for people to speculate, connecting dots that don't go together. While it's certainly eye-opening to see just how powerful cyber intelligence agencies can truly be, and is frightening to think how oblivious we could be of their meddling, it doesn't lend any credibility whatsoever to Trump's claims that Obama is a "sick guy" who was actually spying on him, because that claim still makes zero goddamn sense.[/QUOTE] Your post is mostly nonsense. No, wikileaks is not the cyber warfare arm of the russian government. No, it is not a valid rebuke of wikileaks that this "doesnt do enough to give trump credibility" unless you already believe both trump and wikileaks are russian agents. And no, wikileaks didnt suddenly plan the largest intel publication in history, vault 7 to release on may 7, just to cover for trump, trump has been saying dumb shit weekly and your arguing *this one* prompted wikileaks to act. And you know, how they announced this feb 4th. If wikileaks didnt have anything to leak on trump the logic doesnt follow that wikileaks is intentionally avoiding leaking things on trump. If you'd like to rephrase your post in a way that doesn't express more leaps of logic than trump himself, feel free to do so and respond. Yes, wikileaks is clearly favoring trump more than the intel agencies group. It could be because there's a conspiracy between russia trump and wikileaks, or it could be because with the wealth of information wikileaks has access to and is leaking they believe the intel agencies are less trustworthy than trump, maybe they really have nothing to leak on trump and beleive trump's errors are already in the open. The point is, we don't *know*. You stumbled over line between healthy speculation and conspiracy nut with this post.

I read the thread and I still have questions. Some of these are repeat questions but I just want to make doubly sure that these are the right answers, and if they are the right answers then consider this soapboxing. Q: How were wikileaks attacked? A: One of their live press conference video feeds were cut. Q: Is calling code red an appropriate reaction to having technical support issues? A: NO. Q: Does this leak conveniently involve wiretapping related stuff? A: Yes.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51928098]Is there any solid evidence that suggests Wikileaks works for Russia, or are you just going to shout "There's no evidence of the CIA doing these things!" while simultaneously making unsubstantiated claims that it's all a Russian psy-op?[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/831468455413030912[/media] not sure if they're actually linked with Russia but they've clearly got some kinda screw loose if leaking phone calls is a "destabilization campaign by US spies"

Wikileaks is raw fuckin cringe holy shit

[QUOTE=Cone;51928149]Loading Tweet... [URL]https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/831468455413030912[/URL] not sure if they're actually linked with Russia but they've clearly got some kinda screw loose if leaking phone calls is a "destabilization campaign by US spies"[/QUOTE] [video]https://youtu.be/VIVrvihtKgE[/video] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51927415]This is pretty clearly another case of cyber-warfare from the Russian government, leaked through their state's favorite "independent" actor: Wikileaks. That the CIA is exploring ways to use modern technology to gather cyber-intelligence and exploit security vulnerabilities is not surprising. So is every other major world government, along with countless independent hackers. The timing and content of this leak was clearly intended to achieve maximum possible effect, with the goal being to further destabilize our country under the erratic and authoritarian "leadership" of a fascist, treasonous manchild. Trump claims "That SICK GUY Obama spied on me! Sad! Pathetic!" Days later, Wikileaks publishes CIA cyber-intelligence capabilities. There's no link there. There's no proof of anything other than what the CIA is [I]capable[/I] of doing, and even that is fairly suspect in terms of actual potential application. Yet, that's really all it takes for people to speculate, connecting dots that don't go together. While it's certainly eye-opening to see just how powerful cyber intelligence agencies can truly be, and is frightening to think how oblivious we could be of their meddling, it doesn't lend any credibility whatsoever to Trump's claims that Obama is a "sick guy" who was actually spying on him, because that claim still makes zero goddamn sense.[/QUOTE] could you please stop stooping to [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism [/URL]

[QUOTE=space1;51928166][video]https://youtu.be/VIVrvihtKgE[/video][/QUOTE] Not too sure about this source. [t]http://i.imgur.com/WG8uDDB.png[/t] It's like a tamer version of Naked Ape

[QUOTE=space1;51928166][video]https://youtu.be/VIVrvihtKgE[/video] [/URL][/QUOTE] Wouldn't you rather these things were investigated though? Like there's a full investigation into whoever happens to be in government at the time if things like this popup? Trump or Clinton. It'd just be nice if people were held accountable. Edit : I wish people would stop saying left/right. It just makes it us vs them. Why can't it just be investigated then if it's all hunky dory, great! If not, then deal with it.

[QUOTE=space1;51928050]Which is exactly the problem? the current shift in political organization is towards that of a perfect socialist government disguised by promises of capitalism with a loss of freedom of speech/privacy "for the good of the majority". While this is "stable", there is a lot of moral ambiguity about the amount of power governments have and how it is and will be used in the future.[/QUOTE] I was kinda pointing out that you make way too many assumptions in your arguments. In this post, you assume a whole lot of things without explaining any basis of your claims. You should try providing more reasoning. Also, dont put words in peoples mouths. Your views actually arent too far off from some other people as you seem to think

What are the merits of the actual information being leaked? All I see is people just dismissing it out of hand. Wikileaks has done bad shit and they've done good shit. The CIA, of course, spies on anything they can get away with. I wouldn't be surprised if it was legitimate.