Al-Shabab militant group uses Donald Trump in propaganda film
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[i]via: BBC[/i]
[quote]The Somali Islamist group al-Shabab has released a propaganda video featuring footage of the US presidential hopeful, Donald Trump. [...] It says racism, police brutality and anti-Muslim sentiment are rife in the US.[/quote]
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35213286]Source[/url]
A lot of people are used on propaganda films
guy who wants to ban muslims from his country hated by islamic fundamentalists? what a surprise
[quote]racism, police brutality and anti-Muslim sentiment are rife in the US.[/quote]
Well to be fair, they aren't really wrong about that to an extent. Not like I support them, either though.
How big was the Muslim population in America again?
Both parties mentioned in the article are similar, demagogue and bigoted, although I'm still not sure if Trump actually believes in what he's preaching.
are they actually using police brutality and racism as a propaganda tool?
i wonder if anyone falls for that considering [url=https://www.google.ca/search?q=Al-Shabaab&biw=1920&bih=955&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwip7OrAsIvKAhUG5WMKHU_tAuQQ_AUICCgD#tbm=isch&q=Al-Shabaab+executions]5 seconds of image searching their group gets you this[/url]
I, and just about everybody else with the barest modicum of common sense, have been saying this would happen for months. Years, even, if we're not talking about Trump specifically. Persecution of Muslims as a whole directly feeds into the recruitment efforts of Islamic extremist groups, who are able to take that fear, anger, and hatred directed towards innocent people and twist it to their own devices by presenting it as proof that the Western world is trying to destroy the Muslim faith. That the "crusaders" in the West (the term that ISIS uses to refer to all opposing non-Islamic forces) are trying to perpetrate a holy war against Islam itself, and that all "good Muslims" have no choice but to fight back if they want to live. The objective of Islamic extremists is to stoke this hatred and distrust of Muslims so that they can create an even greater sense of "us vs them," thus widening their power base. It's [I]"The War on Christmas!"[/I] taken to an extreme, and given real power by the fact that fools like Trump [I]are actually persecuting Muslims.[/I]
Donald Trump is empowering ISIS and other extremist organizations with hateful rhetoric. The man is directly contributing to the growth of Islamic extremism by not only failing to distinguish between Islamic extremists and Muslims as a whole, but by directly correlating the two.
And the sickest fucking thing about this? Trump, and the goddamn fools who support him, are going to claim this is a sign that they are [I]on the right track![/I] They are going to look at extremist organizations using Trump's hate speech in recruitment videos as evidence that Trump is somehow [I]winning[/I] against them. [I]"Look how much they hate Trump! He's really sticking it to those terrorists!"[/I] Seriously gets my blood boiling just thinking about how backwards people can be in their logic. The strategists at extremist organizations cackle and rub their hands every time that mop-headed shit opens his mouth, and yet we Americans, in all our egocentric vanity, continue failing to see the big picture.
[QUOTE=TG2;49439716]guy who wants to ban muslims from his country hated by islamic fundamentalists? what a surprise[/QUOTE]
Hate him? They probably love him. It's hard to think of anything that would strengthen Islamic fundamentalism more than Trump becoming President.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49440048]I, and just about everybody else with the barest modicum of common sense, have been saying this would happen for months. Years, even, if we're not talking about Trump specifically. Persecution of Muslims as a whole directly feeds into the recruitment efforts of Islamic extremist groups, who are able to take that fear, anger, and hatred directed towards innocent people and twist it to their own devices by presenting it as proof that the Western world is trying to destroy the Muslim faith. That the "crusaders" in the West (the term that ISIS uses to refer to all opposing non-Islamic forces) are trying to perpetrate a holy war against Islam itself, and that all "good Muslims" have no choice but to fight back if they want to live. The objective of Islamic extremists is to stoke this hatred and distrust of Muslims so that they can create an even greater sense of "us vs them," thus widening their power base. It's [I]"The War on Christmas!"[/I] taken to an extreme, and given real power by the fact that fools like Trump [I]are actually persecuting Muslims.[/I]
Donald Trump is empowering ISIS and other extremist organizations with hateful rhetoric. The man is directly contributing to the growth of Islamic extremism by not only failing to distinguish between Islamic extremists and Muslims as a whole, but by directly correlating the two.
And the sickest fucking thing about this? Trump, and the goddamn fools who support him, are going to claim this is a sign that they are [I]on the right track![/I] They are going to look at extremist organizations using Trump's hate speech in recruitment videos as evidence that Trump is somehow [I]winning[/I] against them. [I]"Look how much they hate Trump! He's really sticking it to those terrorists!"[/I] Seriously gets my blood boiling just thinking about how backwards people can be in their logic. The strategists at extremist organizations cackle and rub their hands every time that mop-headed shit opens his mouth, and yet we Americans, in all our egocentric vanity, continue failing to see the big picture.[/QUOTE]
You are really focused on trump right now, but you do realize they have been using footage of nearly everyone whos a face in politics?
Hillary was just BTFO trying to say Trump was being used in this videos over a month ago, with 0 proof, for him to then show that her Husband Billy Boy, was actually in recruitment videos.
They use Obama, they used bush, they use anyone.
I cannot believe you take Trump this seriously as if hes a legitimate threat and a major recruiting tool/voice, when hes a blabbering idiot. Especially compared to EVERY OTHER REASON THOSE PEOPLE COULD GIVE THEMSELVES TO JOIN.
Its a supposed 20 second, TWENTY second clip in a 51 minute long video NONE OF US have seen. I cant find the video anywhere, the full 51 minutes.
I cannot believe you think Trump is such a major threat, yet I bet you completely ignore someone like Hillary, and actual scary candidate who knows exactly what shes doing, shes very good at politics, and already knee deep in "friends". Trump makes memes and talks the talk, someone like Hillary would walk the walk without you ever knowing.
Pretty sure stuff like Bush/Obamas involvement in the middle east is/was a far bigger threat than Trump saying shit at some rally in Iowa lol. Seriously dude, calm down about Trump and look at this shit realistically.
You really seem to believe Trump will have this supreme fast acting power, when he ISNT a politician and the outlier in this entire thing. Congress isnt for him. The senate isnt, but people in those seats would get shit done for someone like Hillary, at least far more than the 0 who seem to be for Trump.
He also isnt smart at all military wise, Hillary is, she was secretary of defense, oh yeah, she also worked at Monsanto before politics, and if you think this war in the middle east would end with Hillary, well I just hope you arent that naive.
What is with your assumption that a long time business player has no experience in the politics of a country that is entirely ran by business and wouldn't be just as bad as hillary? they're on the same fucking team.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;49443184]What is with your assumption that a long time business player has no experience in the politics of a country that is entirely ran by business and wouldn't be just as bad as hillary? they're on the same fucking team.[/QUOTE]
Trump is not on any politicians team, they fucking hate him and are legitimately worried he gets the republican nominee because that would be fucking UNREAL and he is tearing the GOP apart. He knows economics, and he probably knows economy law/politics okay, but mostly has a team of lawyers for him.
I am really shocked you think Trumps on anyones team when EVERY SINGLE news source is against him, and so is every other runner. Have you even been following this?
Hillary has been a politician for a long time and shes no ones team but her own really. She literally smeared women who slept with HER husband the President, even though she was cheated on by said Husband+President, stayed with him, all for staying in politics for her own gains. Let alone the other history involving her which isnt even hidden. Shes in scandals left and right.
She worked for Monsanto, Secretary of Defense, First Women, and now running for President.
Looks like what Hillary Clinton said about Donald trump being used for propaganda videos just came true.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;49443265]Looks like what Hillary Clinton said about Donald trump being used for propaganda videos just came true.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, only after she was wrong at first, and was btfo by Trump and others showing actual recruit videos using her husband.
They've also released videos with footage of Obama and Bill Clinton (calling him "The Fornicator")
Clinton probably said that thinking "they must have done it by now, right?"
I guess she was a week or so early
This shouldn't be surprising. One of the major goals of fundamentalist Muslims has been to paint the world as Muslims vs everybody else (The House of Islam and the House of War). The world "Islamophobia" was actually coined by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to further this effort. Islamic fundamentalists wish to make Western society seem incompatible with Islam and thus drive more people to support Islamic theocracy.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49443825]This shouldn't be surprising. One of the major goals of fundamentalist Muslims has been to paint the world as Muslims vs everybody else (The House of Islam and the House of War). The world "Islamophobia" was actually coined by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to further this effort. Islamic fundamentalists wish to make Western society seem incompatible with Islam and thus drive more people to support Islamic theocracy.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, the whole point is to start a holy war, which ISIS legitimately thinks its doing, wheres its them(islam/muslims) vs the world, and Allah and shit will come down and judge AND ALL THAT JAZZ CRAZY MUSLIMS/ANY RELIGION HAS SAID FOREVER.
Imagine thinking that while most of us are safe and comfortable posting on an image forum no where near warzones. What a bunch of retarded fags tbh.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49443897]Well yeah, the whole point is to start a holy war, which ISIS legitimately thinks its doing, wheres its them(islam/muslims) vs the world, and Allah and shit will come down and judge AND ALL THAT JAZZ CRAZY MUSLIMS/ANY RELIGION HAS SAID FOREVER.
Imagine thinking that while most of us are safe and comfortable posting on an image forum no where near warzones. What a bunch of retarded fags tbh.[/QUOTE]
It's not entirely "retarded." It only takes a few faith claims to get there. Believing that a magical superman dictated a book to an illiterate merchant in a cave gets you halfway there.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49443921]It's not entirely "retarded." It only takes a few faith claims to get there. Believing that a magical superman dictated a book to an illiterate merchant in a cave gets you halfway there.[/QUOTE]
I mean retarded in the sense they are fighting a lost war. Look at history and religion. Almost none have ever fulfilled the garbage they spew.
ISIS literally cannot win because Russia/USA exist and you cannot invade either country geographically without getting absolutely ruined. Let alone everyone else who would fight back if push came to shove in some holy war.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49440048]I, and just about everybody else with the barest modicum of common sense, have been saying this would happen for months. Years, even, if we're not talking about Trump specifically. Persecution of Muslims as a whole directly feeds into the recruitment efforts of Islamic extremist groups, who are able to take that fear, anger, and hatred directed towards innocent people and twist it to their own devices by presenting it as proof that the Western world is trying to destroy the Muslim faith. That the "crusaders" in the West (the term that ISIS uses to refer to all opposing non-Islamic forces) are trying to perpetrate a holy war against Islam itself, and that all "good Muslims" have no choice but to fight back if they want to live. The objective of Islamic extremists is to stoke this hatred and distrust of Muslims so that they can create an even greater sense of "us vs them," thus widening their power base. It's [I]"The War on Christmas!"[/I] taken to an extreme, and given real power by the fact that fools like Trump [I]are actually persecuting Muslims.[/I]
Donald Trump is empowering ISIS and other extremist organizations with hateful rhetoric. The man is directly contributing to the growth of Islamic extremism by not only failing to distinguish between Islamic extremists and Muslims as a whole, but by directly correlating the two.
And the sickest fucking thing about this? Trump, and the goddamn fools who support him, are going to claim this is a sign that they are [I]on the right track![/I] They are going to look at extremist organizations using Trump's hate speech in recruitment videos as evidence that Trump is somehow [I]winning[/I] against them. [I]"Look how much they hate Trump! He's really sticking it to those terrorists!"[/I] Seriously gets my blood boiling just thinking about how backwards people can be in their logic. The strategists at extremist organizations cackle and rub their hands every time that mop-headed shit opens his mouth, and yet we Americans, in all our egocentric vanity, continue failing to see the big picture.[/QUOTE]
They already hate the US. They're just using whatever piss poor excuse they can cling on to to push their ideals. Trump as much as i hate him is hardly a factor in ISIS and hardly fueling terrorism.
I say the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has done all the damage that can be done.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49443123]You are really focused on trump right now, but you do realize they have been using footage of nearly everyone whos a face in politics?
Hillary was just BTFO trying to say Trump was being used in this videos over a month ago, with 0 proof, for him to then show that her Husband Billy Boy, was actually in recruitment videos.
They use Obama, they used bush, they use anyone.
I cannot believe you take Trump this seriously as if hes a legitimate threat and a major recruiting tool/voice, when hes a blabbering idiot. Especially compared to EVERY OTHER REASON THOSE PEOPLE COULD GIVE THEMSELVES TO JOIN.
Its a supposed 20 second, TWENTY second clip in a 51 minute long video NONE OF US have seen. I cant find the video anywhere, the full 51 minutes.
I cannot believe you think Trump is such a major threat, yet I bet you completely ignore someone like Hillary, and actual scary candidate who knows exactly what shes doing, shes very good at politics, and already knee deep in "friends". Trump makes memes and talks the talk, someone like Hillary would walk the walk without you ever knowing.
Pretty sure stuff like Bush/Obamas involvement in the middle east is/was a far bigger threat than Trump saying shit at some rally in Iowa lol. Seriously dude, calm down about Trump and look at this shit realistically.
You really seem to believe Trump will have this supreme fast acting power, when he ISNT a politician and the outlier in this entire thing. Congress isnt for him. The senate isnt, but people in those seats would get shit done for someone like Hillary, at least far more than the 0 who seem to be for Trump.
He also isnt smart at all military wise, Hillary is, she was secretary of defense, oh yeah, she also worked at Monsanto before politics, and if you think this war in the middle east would end with Hillary, well I just hope you arent that naive.[/QUOTE]
I have zero love for Hillary and agree with much of what you're saying. My issue with Trump is that he is the only one candidate actively taking, and redistributing, the bait that ISIS has laid out in their efforts to incite a grand holy war between Muslims and the West, barring Cruz who is only slightly less rabid and considerably quieter. Trump has proposed special ID Badges for Muslims, special surveillance for mosques, mass deportation of Muslims, an outright ban on Muslims entering the country, executing the families of Islamic extremists, and has made several other equally horrifying sentiments as to the general evils and inherent untrustworthiness of Muslims. Most problematically is the fact that America is cheering him on en masse. This isn't just one fool screaming in an empty room, it is the leading presidential candidate for the GOP standing on a stage and being broadcasted around the entire world, to the cheers of millions.
Trump is intentionally riling up as much anti-Islamic sentiment as he can. His entire campaign is built around scapegoating minorities, and especially Muslims. He's been very deliberately crafting the Muslim into America's "real problem and true enemy." He's pinning the Muslim as the shady plotter, the hater of freedom, and the wolf in sheep's clothing. He's telling Americans to be wary of the Muslims living here, to keep a close eye on the mosque down the street, and has all but said the we need to effectively outlaw the Islamic faith and drive it from our land, and his hateful rhetoric is being echoed nationwide as sensible and necessary, and THAT is fucking terrifying.
Yes, I truly believe that Trump is the best thing to happen to extremist organizations since the height of the Iraq war. He is giving them fresh fuel to say that everything they've been preaching is true on an almost daily basis. "America and the West is hateful and fearful and wants to destroy Islam." Regardless of whether or not he ever steps into office, he has already done immense damage to relations between Westerners and Muslims, both domestic and abroad. He has aborted reason, destroyed sense. Donald Trump is a fucking clown, but he is a clown with a very loud voice, a very bright spotlight, and much of America doesn't [I]realize[/I] he's a clown. That is why he is dangerous.
The posters pointing out that other politicians have been in videos like this before are missing the point [I]entirely[/I]. This isn't a zinger against Trump, it's radical Muslims having a vocal, seemingly populist voice in America strongly proclaiming against Muslims. They have someone they can hold up unequivocally and say "This is the next president of the United States saying he would ban Muslims from his country. Look at this apostate leading in the polls. The West despises you". They don't have this from any other politician because none thus far have married such incendiary, toxic rhetoric with popular appeal and publicity.
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=MR-X;49443952]They already hate the US. They're just using whatever piss poor excuse they can cling on to to push their ideals. Trump as much as i hate him is hardly a factor in ISIS and hardly fueling terrorism.
I say the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has done all the damage that can be done.[/QUOTE]
You (and HoodedSniper, for that matter) drastically underestimate the power of propaganda. It's not made just for people who already "hate us", it's to push people in danger of becoming radicalized to their cause. ISIS has seen massive success with such tactics. They have profound, tangible effects on actual physical battlefields. War's aren't just about who can move the most tanks and jets to the high ground anymore. It's about ideas and Trump is giving them an edge.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49446667]You (and HoodedSniper, for that matter) drastically underestimate the power of propaganda.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's very important to understand that propaganda is the backbone of any large scale extremist organization, and especially ISIS. They have an incredibly sophisticated misinformation network spread throughout all sources of popular media, and without the constant and refreshed efforts of that propaganda machine their recruitment suffers heavily. Now don't get me wrong, extremists won't hesitate to outright fabricate information, or if all else fails simply fall back on their standard rhetoric condemning the Crusaders and Apostates for their for their degeneracy and ungodliness and offensive ways, but [I]nothing[/I] gives them quite as much fuel as major world leaders and politicians playing into their game with obvious anti-Islamic sentiments.
The objective of ISIS is to alienate Muslims from the Western world-- to eliminate any possibility of peaceful cohabitation. They [I]want[/I] the shit that Trump is preaching to happen. They want fear, mistrust, hatred, alienation, persecution, and oppression for Muslims, because those conditions are rife for exploitation.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49446667]The posters pointing out that other politicians have been in videos like this before are missing the point [I]entirely[/I]. This isn't a zinger against Trump, it's radical Muslims having a vocal, seemingly populist voice in America strongly proclaiming against Muslims. They have someone they can hold up unequivocally and say "This is the next president of the United States saying he would ban Muslims from his country. Look at this apostate leading in the polls. The West despises you". They don't have this from any other politician because none thus far have married such incendiary, toxic rhetoric with popular appeal and publicity.[/QUOTE]
They could and would do the same thing with any other candidate.
"Look at the degenerate West as they let their women lead them."
"Watch as the Americans are led around by the materialist Jew-dog Sanders."
And then they would complain about how we drink and have sex. Every grievance these people possibly could have had was already answered in the form of George W. Bush.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49446934]They could and would do the same thing with any other candidate.
"Look at the degenerate West as they let their women lead them."
"Watch as the Americans are led around by the materialist Jew-dog Sanders."
And then they would complain about how we drink and have sex. Every grievance these people possibly could have had was already answered in the form of George W. Bush.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how to explain this better without just repeating myself but you are again missing the point. Yes, they can criticize any Western leader for any reason that fits within their dogma but Trump is unique in his crusade against not just radical Islam but Muslims as a demographic.
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
Having Clinton or Sanders or even Bush is preaching to the choir, putting faces that people already know to western interventionism in Arab Muslim affairs. These leaders rail against radical Islam, where as Trump attacks Muslims and gets standing ovations for his vitriol. That's the difference.
They already believe that everyone else hates them, or that Western countries are led by a Jewish conspiracy against Muslims anyway. I don't see what Trump accomplishes other than giving a slightly more solid backdrop to a sentiment which already existed.
[editline]3rd January 2016[/editline]
Jihadists had already been leading armies of tens of thousands, destabilizing multiple countries, and carrying out hundreds of terror attacks before Trump every showed up on the scene.
We can [I]assume [/I]that Muslims in danger of becoming radicalized assume that Americans hate Muslims but we don't really have anything quantifiable to base that off of. At the very least the idea was deniable up until Trump started talking about concentration camps and ID badges and getting a standing ovation.
I don't see why you and others in this thread are so eager to deny the propaganda advantages of having a Western leader buy into the radicals strategy with this us vs them rhetoric. It just seems like you are burying your head in the sand tbh.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49447007]We can [I]assume [/I]that Muslims in danger of becoming radicalized assume that Americans hate Muslims but we don't really have anything quantifiable to base that off of. At the very least the idea was deniable up until Trump started talking about concentration camps and ID badges.
I don't see why you and others in this thread are so eager to deny the propaganda advantages of having a Western leader buy into the radicals strategy with this us vs them rhetoric. It just seems like you are burying your head in the sand tbh.[/QUOTE]
I'm not denying that. I accept it completely. Trump is yet another piece in the Islamist puzzle of conspiracy theory that they can use to demonize the vile materialist Western pussified Jew-dogs. You're acting like he's some sort of Antichrist figure who's going to engender a huge "backlash" that wasn't already in full force. I guess its a difference of emphasis. Like I said, Bush has already accomplished everything that you think Trump is responsible for.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49446972]
Jihadists had already been leading armies of tens of thousands, destabilizing multiple countries, and carrying out hundreds of terror attacks before Trump every showed up on the scene.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how this is relevant at all. Implying we shouldn't worry about propaganda strengthening the ranks of jihadis because they were doing it before Trump? Doesn't make sense.
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