Navy aircraft carrier will be sold after three years - and never carry jets
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[QUOTE=Jon27;25529266]I am really afraid of living in our country nowadays. The government is a loose fucking cannon when it comes to fixing the last governments shit-ups, ever since Thatcher. Argentina can go ahead and have the Falklands back because we don't have shit to defend it. That's just an example - I reckon we lack forces to defend even our own mainland. If somebody wanted to take this country it would be like taking Poland in 1939.[/QUOTE]
you're paranoid as fuck
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
over literally nothing.
Wow, this fucks over the entire UK defense force. If you can't mount a solid naval retaliation, AND cut off aircraft carriers, you're pretty much fucked in a modern war.
So, if they axe the Harriers, then what is the point of having all these carriers with jump ramps? Hope they are still steaming around the oceans when the F-35 finally comes on line?
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;25529750]Wow, this fucks over the entire UK defense force. If you can't mount a solid naval retaliation, AND cut off aircraft carriers, you're pretty much fucked in a modern war.[/QUOTE]
What modern war? the UK is not in a modern war.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25531753]What modern war? the UK is not in a modern war.[/QUOTE]
Afghanistan?
Not to mention the increased threat to the Falklands...
[QUOTE=David29;25517686]You mean aside from act as an offensive/defensive weapon in times in war and act as deterrent when at peace?
Unless you think we won Trafalgar by throwing rocks at the enemy ships.[/QUOTE]
We're at peace with every modern nation on Earth, the threat of major war is nearly impossible because of economic and diplomatic ties. You're paranoid to think that we need a large navy. We need one, but not a large one.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25531753]What modern war? the UK is not in a modern war.[/QUOTE]
You really are chronically incapable of foresight aren't you?
The idea is "always be prepared and ready" We don't know what the future could throw at us so every nation on the face of this earth, prepares for POSSIBLE scenarios.
[QUOTE=Ridge;25531771]Afghanistan?
Not to mention the increased threat to the Falklands...[/QUOTE]
That's not a modern war. We can't use tanks or boats against them.
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weren't Brits passed by Americans long ago? Besides Naval war is getting replaced with airforce, the only new ships they make are for carrying the airplanes, Navy isnt as much as a bargaining tool as it was long ago. The taliban are almost impervious(if that isnt correct please ignore) to ships because they are inland[/QUOTE]
No not that long ago we have had the most powerful navy for the longest amount of time overall.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25532367]That's not a modern war. We can't use tanks or boats against them.[/QUOTE]
We can and do use tanks in afghanistan, in fact General Dannatt has called for more to be sent out:
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dannatt-called-for-challenger-tanks-two-years-ago-1766250.html[/url]
The soldiers in the field are pretty ill equipped, some british soldiers at the start of the war were issued with boots that fucking melted from the heat of the sand.
[QUOTE=Ridge;25531771]Afghanistan?
Not to mention the increased threat to the Falklands...[/QUOTE]
That's not a modern war. When you just carpet bomb insurgents, you're not defending your country.
Argentian isn't going to take the Falklands. I don't see what the threat is.
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=bravehat;25532508]We can and do use tanks in afghanistan, in fact General Dannatt has called for more to be sent out:
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dannatt-called-for-challenger-tanks-two-years-ago-1766250.html[/url]
The soldiers in the field are pretty ill equipped, some british soldiers at the start of the war were issued with boots that fucking melted from the heat of the sand.[/QUOTE]
Then gtfo our Afghanistan.
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[QUOTE=bravehat;25532355]You really are chronically incapable of foresight aren't you?
The idea is "always be prepared and ready" We don't know what the future could throw at us so every nation on the face of this earth, prepares for POSSIBLE scenarios.[/QUOTE]
So you drain the economy further and ignore the real threat of a collapsing economy...
for a paranoid and fake threat that MAY happen in the future.
Bravehat, are you retarded?
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
Like seriously, how fucking stupid can you possibly be?
The irony of that statement coming from you warhol is fucking palpable.
I didn't say ignore the economy, I'm saying don't leave our armed forces as fucking token soldiers.
If they hadn't axed the harrier this would be bearable cause then we could still project our air power, I'd be fine and happy, but since they axed the harrier we can pretty much do fuck all.
And it isn't paranoid, the UK will be involved in wars in the future, guaranteed.
Also the UK is out of the recession, no economy collapsing here no siree.
And you know instead of leaving a job half finished and a country in a shaky situation you know we could stay there and help the people, like we currently are. You know by having the engineers and construction experts of the army build homes, schools, water supplies and bridges and the like.
But hey of course we're just there to rape pillage and menace the local populace right?
[QUOTE=bravehat;25533116]The irony of that statement coming from you warhol is fucking palpable.
I didn't say ignore the economy, I'm saying don't leave our armed forces as fucking token soldiers.
If they hadn't axed the harrier this would be bearable cause then we could still project our air power, I'd be fine and happy, but since they axed the harrier we can pretty much do fuck all.
And it isn't paranoid, the UK will be involved in wars in the future, guaranteed.
Also the UK is out of the recession, no economy collapsing here no siree.
And you know instead of leaving a job half finished and a country in a shaky situation you know we could stay there and help the people, like we currently are. You know by having the engineers and construction experts of the army build homes, schools, water supplies and bridges and the like.
But hey of course we're just there to rape pillage and menace the local populace right?[/QUOTE]
god you are ignorant as fuck.
who the fuck is going to attack the UK?
Get the fuck out of your economic troubles then fucking strap your carriers with harriers.
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
And uh, you kinda do?
The civilian casualties are high as shit.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25532367]That's not a modern war. We can't use tanks or boats against them.[/QUOTE]
You'd better inform the theater commanders, then, because they most certainly ARE.
Most likely no one, but that could change in 10, 20 or 30 years, it could change tomorrow the fact of the matter is we don't know AND THAT IS WHY YOU PREPARE FOR THE WORST!!
[QUOTE=Warhol;25532970]That's not a modern war. When you just carpet bomb insurgents, you're not defending your country.
Argentian isn't going to take the Falklands. I don't see what the threat is.[/quote]
They HAVE before, and are reportedly wanting to do it again.
[quote]Then gtfo our Afghanistan.[/quote]
Huh, I never knew you were an insurgent...
[quote]So you drain the economy further and ignore the real threat of a collapsing economy...
for a paranoid and fake threat that MAY happen in the future.
Bravehat, are you retarded?
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
Like seriously, how fucking stupid can you possibly be?[/QUOTE]
So you think we should drain the economy giving money to people who are not working for it, instead of draining the economy insuring safety and survival?
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Warhol;25533307]who the fuck is going to attack the UK?[/QUOTE]
Cmon, Warhol, certainly you remember your dad and his friends making pipe bombs and blowing up Britons just a few decades ago..
[QUOTE=Ridge;25533363]
Cmon, Warhol, certainly you remember your dad and his friends making pipe bombs and blowing up Britons just a few decades ago..[/QUOTE]
Sorry I seem to have missed the memo that said racism was cleared for use ass hole.
[QUOTE=bravehat;25533473]Sorry I seem to have missed the memo that said racism was cleared for use ass hole.[/QUOTE]
Talking about the IRA?...
So say the IRA, not that his elders were the ones who done it, heavily implies you think all the irish are terrorists/provi's
As a person of Irish descent, I most certainly do NOT think that. But Warhol's anti-establishment and anti-military opinion on everything leads me to believe he was raised with those sentiments, and his elders likely did take part in the IRA insurgency...
:colbert: Good then, wouldn't want racism to smear all arguments in shit.
dum DUM DUMB!
[QUOTE=Arrows;25533777]dum DUM DUMB![/QUOTE]
Get out, get out now before you start posting your usual retarded shit about how muslims are plotting your demise.
[QUOTE=bravehat;25532355]You really are chronically incapable of foresight aren't you?
The idea is "always be prepared and ready" We don't know what the future could throw at us so every nation on the face of this earth, prepares for POSSIBLE scenarios.[/QUOTE]
So why were have people starving on the breadline, poor daycare services, and lack of funding for many communities, it's OK to stock up on advanced military hardware that'll be out of date in 10 or 20 years because "You never know, those COMMIES might rise up again! Hey, maybe the NAZI's will make a reform to power!!". The fact is, WWI and WWII took about 20 years to happen, and everybody knew there would be a war soon, the government made preparations.
Silly me, I guessed we magic'd up all those Hurricanes and Spitfires, or bought all those weapons from the secret man down in the cellar when conscription was introduced.
Peace is here, and it looks like it'll be here for a long, long time. The only military buildup we need is for the special forces, which is exactly what they're doing right now. I admit it's dumb to have an aircraft carrier that doesn't carry planes, but to have three fully armed carriers is excessive.
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=bravehat;25532508]We can and do use tanks in afghanistan, in fact General Dannatt has called for more to be sent out:
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dannatt-called-for-challenger-tanks-two-years-ago-1766250.html[/url]
The soldiers in the field are pretty ill equipped, some british soldiers at the start of the war were issued with boots that fucking melted from the heat of the sand.[/QUOTE]
Ill-equiped =/= difference of opinion on cutbacks. Also, the biggest threat to our forces can't be cured with more and more tanks, they need more specialised equipment and American made armored jeeps. Generals don't consider the budget or longevity. I say it's not a 'modern war' because it's not. It's a large nation against rouges, not a nation on nation battle. They don't need the same equipment or hardware. We lack what we need, which could be bought if they put more money into special forces and not into tanks and boats.
Troops should have everything they need, but we need a smaller, well prepared army than a large army with a large budge. I agree with the cutbacks, but I don't trust the government to make the right decisions about our current forces.
Cut backs are okay as long as they are smart.
I'm sorry but no matter how you cut it, axing the harrier as we bring new carriers into our forces is fucking stupidity of the highest order.
And I still don't see why we didn't get rid of trident.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25533891]So why were have people starving on the breadline, poor daycare services, and lack of funding for many communities, it's OK to stock up on advanced military hardware that'll be out of date in 10 or 20 years because "You never know, those COMMIES might rise up again! Hey, maybe the NAZI's will make a reform to power!!". The fact is, WWI and WWII took about 20 years to happen, and everybody knew there would be a war soon, the government made preparations.
Silly me, I guessed we magic'd up all those Hurricanes and Spitfires, or bought all those weapons from the secret man down in the cellar when conscription was introduced.
Peace is here, and it looks like it'll be here for a long, long time. The only military buildup we need is for the special forces, which is exactly what they're doing right now. I admit it's dumb to have an aircraft carrier that doesn't carry planes, but to have three fully armed carriers is excessive.
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
Ill-equiped =/= difference of opinion on cutbacks. Also, the biggest threat to our forces can't be cured with more and more tanks, they need more specialised equipment and American made armored jeeps. Generals don't consider the budget or longevity. I say it's not a 'modern war' because it's not. It's a large nation against rouges, not a nation on nation battle. They don't need the same equipment or hardware. We lack what we need, which could be bought if they put more money into special forces and not into tanks and boats.
Troops should have everything they need, but we need a smaller, well prepared army than a large army with a large budge. I agree with the cutbacks, but I don't trust the government to make the right decisions about our current forces.[/QUOTE]
Yes, political wars between countries can often take some time to manifest. But those aren't the threat nowadays. Now we have to be concerned about some guy living in a cave planning to detonate a dirty bomb in the middle of a city of unaware people such as yourself that had never heard of this guy until he tried to kill you and everyone you know because he doesn't like your religion.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25531753]What modern war? the UK is not in a modern war.[/QUOTE]
You seem to be overlooking (Quite often) the fact that a miltary is there to protect a country in the event of a war. Simply because this country is not at war with a modernised nation does not mean we won't be, ever again. You can't go around with an ill-equipped Navy, Airforce and Army on the basis that at that current moment in time, you're at peace. No one can predict the future, and until someone can, we need to be prepared to defend ourselves in the event of an attack.
And we won't be if the carrier, and the Harriers are axed.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25533891]So why were have people starving on the breadline, poor daycare services, and lack of funding for many communities, it's OK to stock up on advanced military hardware that'll be out of date in 10 or 20 years because "You never know, those COMMIES might rise up again! Hey, maybe the NAZI's will make a reform to power!!". The fact is, WWI and WWII took about 20 years to happen, and everybody knew there would be a war soon, the government made preparations. [/QUOTE]
Excuse me? This country spends £200 BILLION a year on Welfare. Is that not enough? I know, it's not like it's over 30% of our annual budget.
It is the single biggest expense in our budget, and is nearly £75 billion more than the next biggest, our NHS.
If? The harriers are getting scrapped and I think we'll have two carriers that will be functional, I don't see the point though since we won't have any aircraft to put on them for 9 years or so.
Use it as a home.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25521386]uhhhhhhhhhh, the battle almost 200 years ago?
who poses a threat to the UK?
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
And you're a childish and homophobic shit poster, i think you should leave
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
Not really, the cost sucks the country dry and poses a threat.
This is 2010, not 1800. War isn't going to hit a 1st world country for absolutely no fucking reason.[/QUOTE]
You get so fucking mad when someone criticizes you based on knowing of your posts for several months, calm down.
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Warhol;25533307]god you are ignorant as fuck.
who the fuck is going to attack the UK?
Get the fuck out of your economic troubles then fucking strap your carriers with harriers.
[editline]20th October 2010[/editline]
And uh, you kinda do?
The civilian casualties are high as shit.[/QUOTE]
No one because they have a good military
But if they don't then who knows huh? The UK is a very important and economically strong country, taking it over could help some country somewhere
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