Ian Bayne, GOP Congressional Candidate: 'Duck Dynasty Star Is Rosa Parks Of Our Generation' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43253379]He doesn't. Those few out of context lines were spoken when describing his past and his life, not his opinions on civil rights. Either read the article or stop trying to argue a nonexistant point. You're starting to look like you regurgitate what other people say instead of forming your own opinions.[/QUOTE] ok i read the GQ article and it changes nothing? he's still using his past experiences to make a point about how black people were happier back then and nowadays they're going "those doggone white people!" and bringing up entitlement and welfare.

Here's the actual GQ article if anyone cares to read it: [url]http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson[/url]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43253246]You could have just told him that the first amendment protects you from the [i]government[/i] infringing on your right to free speech, it doesn't make you immune to consequences from your employer[/QUOTE] that's basically what i told him and he went on about how it would be religous discrimination because of the civil rights act.

It seems to me that you just want to hate these people because they're rich, white, southern, and religious and you're unwilling to see that they don't conform to your prejudices

[QUOTE=TheHydra;43253450]ok i read the GQ article and it changes nothing? he's still using his past experiences to make a point about how black people were happier back then and nowadays they're going "those doggone white people!" and bringing up entitlement and welfare.[/QUOTE] He never said that though. Those were his thoughts on pre-civil rights era Louisiana, and only based on his experiences. If that's all you experience, that's all you know. He never said that they were happier, just that the people he was around were "godly" (aka religious) and happy.

[QUOTE=OvB;43253456]Here's the actual GQ article if anyone cares to read it: [url]http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.” [/quote] Is that what he said? Seems pretty tame.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43253544]Is that what he said? Seems pretty tame.[/QUOTE] Page two has more: [quote]“We’re Bible-thumpers who just happened to end up on television,” he tells me. “You put in your article that the Robertson family really believes strongly that if the human race loved each other and they loved God, we would just be better off. We ought to just be repentant, turn to God, and let’s get on with it, and everything will turn around.” What does repentance entail? Well, in Robertson’s worldview, America was a country founded upon Christian values (Thou shalt not kill, etc.), and he believes that the gradual removal of Christian symbolism from public spaces has diluted those founding principles. (He and Si take turns going on about why the Ten Commandments ought to be displayed outside courthouses.) He sees the popularity of Duck Dynasty as a small corrective to all that we have lost. “Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong,” he says. “Sin becomes fine.” What, in your mind, is sinful? “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.” Read More [url]http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2o35NnaYV[/url] [/quote]

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43253530]He never said that though. Those were his thoughts on pre-civil rights era Louisiana, and only based on his experiences. If that's all you experience, that's all you know. He never said that they were happier, just that the people he was around were "godly" (aka religious) and happy.[/QUOTE] if that's all he knows then he's still grossly overstepping his bounds by making jabs about the african american community blaming white people for their problems. and honestly, within the context of "old conservative homophobic white man from small-town louisiana" there are very few ways that the addition of the era being "pre-entitlement" and "pre-welfare" can be read, considering how often it comes up in conservative rhetoric to make a point and how often it's been used to target black people in the past (see: welfare queens). he should've thought about what he was saying at the very least, and A&E still has the right to suspend him for his comments.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;43253629]if that's all he knows then he's still grossly overstepping his bounds by making jabs about the african american community blaming white people for their problems. and honestly, within the context of "old conservative homophobic white man from small-town louisiana" there are very few ways that the addition of the era being "pre-entitlement" and "pre-welfare" can be read, considering how often it comes up in conservative rhetoric to make a point and how often it's been used to target black people in the past (see: welfare queens). he should've thought about what he was saying at the very least, and A&E still has the right to suspend him for his comments.[/QUOTE] He encompassed "white trash" in the welfare and entitlement statement...

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;43254005]I can't get over the fact that people are still defending this guy. Should A&E have suspended him? Probably not. But that doesn't change the fact that he's still a bigot. Some might say that he was just raised to think that way, and honestly, that's a fucking terrible excuse. He's not a robot. He can form his own opinions. He's a grown-ass man. He linked homosexuality to bestiality, man. If that's not ignorance, I don't know what is. He may or may not be a nice guy in general, but when it comes to this subject, I'm appalled that so many people are agreeing with him.[/QUOTE] He didn't link them. He said that from the Bible's perspective they're both sins.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;43253629]if that's all he knows then he's still grossly overstepping his bounds by making jabs about the african american community blaming white people for their problems. and honestly, within the context of "old conservative homophobic white man from small-town louisiana" there are very few ways that the addition of the era being "pre-entitlement" and "pre-welfare" can be read, considering how often it comes up in conservative rhetoric to make a point and how often it's been used to target black people in the past (see: welfare queens). he should've thought about what he was saying at the very least, and A&E still has the right to suspend him for his comments.[/QUOTE] It's nice how you're able to say he wants racial segregation and such by just reading an article about him and a little snippet of what he said. Are you going to tell me what I want for supper now that you can read minds? That's a pretty neat little gift you have there, you know, the whole being able to tell if someone's racist without actually knowing them? Let me guess, everyone is racist right? Yes, we all know that he is very ignorant on that issue, but not segregation supporting racist. But that's not why he was suspended. He was suspended based on his remarks about homosexuals, which were taken out of context, and then blown out of proportion according to the context. Sure, A&E has every right to suspend him, but that's really dumb considering they are going to lose their #1 show, a LOT of viewers, AND sponsors, a few of which have already said they are siding with the family on this one.

The main people opposing this are Christians who think homosexuals should burn in hell, and that chik fil a made completely reasonable decisions. And no, I'm not calling out Christians, its just thats who seems to be making a huge issue out of this.

[QUOTE=Stents*;43253323]How is he wishing ill on anyone? The Bible says everyone is a sinner regardless of what your sexual preference is.[/QUOTE] So.. he's a bigot.

[QUOTE=Miskav;43254287]So.. he's a bigot.[/QUOTE] Yes he's bigoted towards everyone, including himself. Because logic.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;43254005]I can't get over the fact that people are still defending this guy. Should A&E have suspended him? Probably not. But that doesn't change the fact that he's still a bigot. Some might say that he was just raised to think that way, and honestly, that's a fucking terrible excuse. He's not a robot. He can form his own opinions. He's a grown-ass man. He linked homosexuality to bestiality, man. If that's not ignorance, I don't know what is. He may or may not be a nice guy in general, but when it comes to this subject, I'm appalled that so many people are agreeing with him.[/QUOTE] He didn't link them. He said they are both sin, just like lying or swearing. No sin is better or worse than another, it's all just sin. That's what the bible says. He also says that it's not his place to judge anyone, and that he loves and respects everybody. But I guess we're ignoring that? [QUOTE=Map in a box;43254216]The main people opposing this are Christians who think homosexuals should burn in hell, and that chik fil a made completely reasonable decisions. And no, I'm not calling out Christians, its just thats who seems to be making a huge issue out of this.[/QUOTE] No, the main people opposing this are people who know he was just saying what the bible says, and are furious that they would suspend someone for their beliefs. A true christian loves everyone no matter what, and doesn't want anyone to burn in hell. Only fucktards like westboro actually want people to burn in hell. I make an issue out of people who think that sin =/= hate. It's not. It's just something you shouldn't do if you want to live your life by christian beliefs. Also: everyone sins, so that makes homosexuals the same as all of those christians when it comes to sin.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;43254005]I can't get over the fact that people are still defending this guy.[/QUOTE] Anyone who receives a disproportionate amount of backlash, or who people think did something way worse than they actually did, deserves to be defended, even if what they did was wrong.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;43252543]Last night my dad ran into my room and asked me if i thought it was okay that we were violating his 1st amendment rights, and we had a long and lengthy debate over it, and he was yelling and i just remained calm, all because i defended A &E suspending him.[/QUOTE] Why do so many people refuse to understand that A&E is a private entity, making it impossible for them to violate anyone's rights?

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;43256053]Why do so many people refuse to understand that A&E is a private entity, making it impossible for them to violate anyone's rights?[/QUOTE] Restaurants that wouldn't serve black customers were private entity. Not that I'm on this guy's side, it's totally within A&E's right to suspend or fire him, but that argument doesn't work.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43254336]He didn't link them. He said they are both sin, just like lying or swearing. No sin is better or worse than another, it's all just sin.[B] That's what the bible says.[/B] He also says that it's not his place to judge anyone, and that he loves and respects everybody. But I guess we're ignoring that? No, the main people opposing this are people who know he was just saying what the bible says, and are furious that they would suspend someone for their beliefs. A true christian loves everyone no matter what, and doesn't want anyone to burn in hell. Only fucktards like westboro actually want people to burn in hell. I make an issue out of people who think that sin =/= hate. It's not. It's just something you shouldn't do if you want to live your life by christian beliefs. Also: everyone sins, so that makes homosexuals the same as all of those christians when it comes to sin.[/QUOTE] depends on the type of christian you are on what level you interpret the bible some interpretations make it vehemently clear being gay is one of the worst degrees of sin

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;43256075]Restaurants that wouldn't serve black customers were private entity. Not that I'm on this guy's side, it's totally within A&E's right to suspend or fire him, but that argument doesn't work.[/QUOTE] It's not anyone's right to eat at a specific restaurant, so if the restaurant denies service how are they violating their rights?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43256076]depends on the type of christian you are on what level you interpret the bible some interpretations make it vehemently clear being gay is one of the [B]worst degrees of sin[/B][/QUOTE] I have honestly never heard this. Last time I checked the Bible, it made it vehemently clear that [I]all[/I] sin is bad, and no sin is worse than any other because they all lead to separation from God. The Bible also makes it clear, every other page, that sinning != automatic damnation. So, even if homosexuality [I]is[/I] a sin (which a lot of us don't believe it is), it still is no worse than any other sin, as straight people are no holier than gays.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;43256075]Restaurants that wouldn't serve black customers were private entity. Not that I'm on this guy's side, it's totally within A&E's right to suspend or fire him, but that argument doesn't work.[/QUOTE] You're sorta right, but that wouldn't be a violation of said customer's amendment rights afaik. I guess I was too broad.

[QUOTE=slayer64;43256164]I have honestly never heard this. Last time I checked the Bible, it made it vehemently clear that [I]all[/I] sin is bad, and no sin is worse than any other because they all lead to separation from God. The Bible also makes it clear, every other page, that sinning != automatic damnation. So, even if homosexuality [I]is[/I] a sin [B](which a lot of us don't believe it is)[/B], it still is no worse than any other sin, as straight people are no holier than gays.[/QUOTE] how did you decide that you could judge the bible to be wrong in that area? [url]http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/january/19.65.html[/url]

[QUOTE=teh pirate;43253304]The man was raised like this, he doesn't believe homosexuality is right but he doesn't believe it's his place to force it on them or judge them for it and wants them to be as happy as they can be. What's the fucking problem?[/QUOTE] Because everyone must think the same way otherwise you're just a stupid Republican who's opressing people.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43256591]how did you decide that you could judge the bible to be wrong in that area? [url]http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/january/19.65.html[/url][/QUOTE] The Bible has been translated and re-translated about a million fucking times into a million different languages. There are bound to be mistranslations and mistakes.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;43255995]Anyone who receives a disproportionate amount of backlash, or who people think did something way worse than they actually did, deserves to be defended, even if what they did was wrong.[/QUOTE] "A disproportionate amount of backlash" The guy said something publicly that a lot of people in 2013 found distasteful or outright offensive so a company fired him as the public face of their organization. I don't even see why this is a story or why people on FP are zealously defending him with such weaksauce arguments.

"Guy says something in a harsh and derogatory manner, company he works for puts him on suspension." That's all this is. It's like people want to make it a controversy because they can.

I don't like that A&E suspended him, but I also don't like the world view he built for himself. That's his world and he has a right to it though. He is no Rosa Parks. He's just a guy that got fired for expressing his views that turned out to be unpopular. I suppose he could be the next martyr for the poor oppressed white man. But that would be stupid.

I think it'd very instructive to look at this scenario from an outside perspective. Both concern trolls and redneck-championing white knights have deployed in force. All of this drama because an old man from another time expressed sentiments from another time. We will never make it to the stage of establishing Starfleet at this rate.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;43253260]He was speaking solely within the context of his small town in southern Louisiana.[/QUOTE] Sorry to be that guy but *Northern Louisiana. There is a very clear and defined difference.