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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36172107]But how is it going to steadily increase if you keep cutting taxes?[/QUOTE] Well you control how much it increases by. You make economic models and project how much debt will increase with certain tax cuts, and use that to make decisions about how much taxes can be cut and still control debt accrual. [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36172113]Exactly, and the best way to stop taking out more loans than we need is to... decrease spending, so we don't need to take out more loans. Plus, lowering tax revenue would increase the amount of loans we need, would it not?[/QUOTE] But if we decrease spending, that could also hurt our economy and increase the amount of loans we need to take out just to sustain our current debt. If our GDP goes down or doesn't increase enough, our revenue falls short and we need to run at a higher deficit. [editline]2nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36172129]We shouldn't be relying so much on loans, that's not a good thing. We should try to live off what we have, not borrowing someone else's money because we refuse to spend our own.[/QUOTE] That's the way modern economies work. This is something everyone from the private and public sector participates in at one point or another. Whether it's taking out a mortgage on a house, using a credit card for an emergency, or making an IPO, we are constantly involved in the borrowing and loaning of money.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36172154]That's the way modern economies work. This is something everyone from the private and public sector participates in at one point or another. Whether it's taking out a mortgage on a house, using a credit card for an emergency, or making an IPO, we are constantly involved in the borrowing and loaning of money.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying we shouldn't if we don't have to, but borrowing money for the sake of borrowing money, what's the point? We have our own, we're just too reluctant, greedy even, to use it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36172205]I'm not saying we shouldn't if we don't have to, but borrowing money for the sake of borrowing money, what's the point? We have our own, we're just too reluctant, greedy even, to use it.[/QUOTE] If it benefits the economy over the longterm you can think of it more like an investment, rather than just borrowing money for the sake of borrowing money.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36172282]If it benefits the economy over the longterm you can think of it more like an investment, rather than just borrowing money for the sake of borrowing money.[/QUOTE] Well then seeing as we've already tossed several trillion into the hole, I think it's time we stopped investing.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36172308]Well then seeing as we've already tossed several trillion into the hole, I think it's time we stopped investing.[/QUOTE] Not really. We've thrown some money away on poorly conceived stimulus plans, however we really haven't spent much money on the economy. Most of our deficit goes to welfare and the military. Also, like I said, if we stop spending, it could make us unable to carry our current debt.
[QUOTE=Noble;36165410]Did you forget what my point was?[/QUOTE] Your point ain't my problem. Your arguing it like an adult is. Make claims with proper figures, that's all I want out of you. I've got no concern for your dimestore economic outlook unless you can present it competently. [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36168637]Every person that [I]I[/I] choose to socialize with that votes Republican isn't going to vote for those people because we don't like them. We are NOT evil bigoted shits, and you don't get to classify us as evil bigoted shits simply because of those loud assholes over there. We're trying to get rid of said assholes because they're making us look bad. I didn't vote for those fuckwads, I won't ever vote for those fuckwads. So again, your point, is irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Except you cannot demonstrate a Republican who [I]isn't[/I] one of those fuckwads and yet is in office, meaning either everyone you know who "votes Republican" either [I]is[/I] a fuckwad or... doesn't vote. Bit silly when you actually think through what you're saying. [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36165187]Go independent.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36175252]Except you cannot demonstrate a Republican who [I]isn't[/I] one of those fuckwads and yet is in office, meaning either everyone you know who "votes Republican" either [I]is[/I] a fuckwad or... doesn't vote. Bit silly when you actually think through what you're saying.[/QUOTE] Right, because when someone wins one of those elections, its because it was unanimous. :rolleyes: Your logic there is flawless.
[QUOTE=areolop;36138619]lol. I see the GOP is not going to win this election[/QUOTE] Never make assumptions. Remember, Bush won after the Clinton years. Every older person I've talked to seems to claim that elections that seem won aren't necessarily the predictable.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;36177711]Never make assumptions. Remember, Bush won after the Clinton years. Every older person I've talked to seems to claim that elections that seem won aren't necessarily the predictable.[/QUOTE] It isn't like this election even seems won anyways, at least not to someone who is informed.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36178842]It isn't like this election even seems won anyways, at least not to someone who is informed.[/QUOTE] Exactly, but I constantly hear complacent remarks from Obama supporters who think he's going to get elected for x reasons, and there are a lot of big reasons, but people don't seem to understand how unpredictable voters can be, especially when the choice seems obvious. This disturbs me because this complacence could hurt the voter turnout. [editline]3rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36172308]Well then seeing as we've already tossed several trillion into the hole, I think it's time we stopped investing.[/QUOTE] And what is that we should do about the economy? If one solution doesn't work, that doesn't mean that you should sit still and hope that the problem solves itself.
If the Republicans get in, I'm moving to Canada.
[QUOTE=Contag;36181681]If the Republicans get in, I'm moving to Canada.[/QUOTE]Hopefully they won't. Even Boener thinks they have a 1 in 3 chance of losing the House. If they do though, I'm hoping for some rioting.
It amazes me how the Republicans are taken seriously in the USA.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36181991]It amazes me how the Republicans are taken seriously in the USA.[/QUOTE] My country is like a girl who occasionally flirts and possibly ends up back with an abusive boyfriend.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;36175414]Right, because when someone wins one of those elections, its because it was unanimous. :rolleyes: Your logic there is flawless.[/QUOTE] I think I actually heard that one whistle as it went over your head. If every Republican that's actually electable is a bigoted shit, that means the party consists of bigoted shits. If, as you say, non-bigoted Republicans exist, they just don't vote for bigoted shits, that means they are [I]consistently not voting Republican.[/I] That would make them [I][B]not Republican.[/B][/I] I mean, fuck, if that's how we play then I know thousands of sane Republicans. They're called Democrats.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36187068]I think I actually heard that one whistle as it went over your head. If every Republican that's actually electable is a bigoted shit, that means the party consists of bigoted shits. If, as you say, non-bigoted Republicans exist, they just don't vote for bigoted shits, that means they are [I]consistently not voting Republican.[/I] That would make them [I][B]not Republican.[/B][/I] I mean, fuck, if that's how we play then I know thousands of sane Republicans. They're called Democrats.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. If liberal Republicans are a minority in the group, that means they will rarely have a liberal Republican in office, because the more conservative Republicans will out vote them. A Republican doesn't necessarily have to share all views with the candidate they vote for, they just have to consider the candidate a lesser evil.
If you are complicit in bigotry then you are a bigot. Period.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36187127]If you are complicit in bigotry then you are a bigot. Period.[/QUOTE] Not at all. Complicity is not the same as bigotry.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36187127]If you are complicit in bigotry then you are a bigot. Period.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously saying that because the non-bigoted GOP minority vote for the non-bigoted candidate and lose... that they're bigoted because the bigoted majority won? Are we condemning a group of people because of the acts of a faction of people in that group? I do believe that falls under the term "Prejudice", good sir.
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