Native Italians to live homeless next to refugeeshelter filled with brandnew furniture. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=kweh;49288541]More like someone bakes a half-assed good story of some group of people who are generaly seen as criminals and everyone believes it and praises it and says its true despite addressing a few people from a large group on camera, but when everyone says bad things about said group of people then suddenly everyone asks for sources and deems everything bullshit Example: Kony 2012. Everyone ate that shit up and didn't give a single fuck about all of it being an outdated lie because "for good justice!!!1!" and pointed fingers at anyone who said it was bullshit.[/QUOTE] what the fuck are you talking about you're comparing Kony to refugees? are you high?

[QUOTE=Billy-Bobfred;49288563]Lmao everry thread its just "wowe ur using the homeless as an agenda" Not everybody can fix everything or even do anything, and the govwrment of these countries can atleast try to unfuck this situation but hey let's spend all that money on refugees rite?[/QUOTE] All the money? Can't we debate this without using exagerated useless rhetoric questions?

[QUOTE=kweh;49288495]Your counter-argument trying to make it out to be an agenda doesn't really works here, because before, you could see it as a "oh the country can't work something out to help everyone because it doesn't has the funds" so you'd go "ok then..", but suddenly, it can get the means to help refugees coming in bigger numbers? Like, its the reason why so many people are mad about it. Because there wasn't help for the natives in need, but SUDDENLY, there is for the refugees. And don't act like HE'S not helping out the poor when he does or does not remember them. You defending refugees or pro-refugee ideas on a gaming forum isn't helping either lol.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but I, for one, do believe that we had enough ressources to help the homeless and the such but people simply don't care about them. also yes good point lol forum discussion am I right?? I have made no claim to help the refugees with me writing here, still why would you come on here if you it's not to have an exchange of ideas with people over the internet? Why are we commenting on these news articles then?

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288525]because you're trying to leverage the misery of one group of people against the misery of another group of people in order dodge the unpleasant essential truth that you and i and everyone are morally responsible for each other[/QUOTE] Excuse me? Nobody should be moraly responsible for anyone other than themselves or their families, unless there is some kind of contract that forces said person's hand. Some people have trouble living their lives as it is. Why the fuck should they worry about other people? I seriously cannot comprehend how people think like this. If you want to help, thats fine and dandy, but nobody is responsible for anyone else.

[QUOTE=kweh;49288581] Some people have trouble living their lives as it is. Why the fuck should they worry about other people? I seriously cannot comprehend how people think like this. If you want to help, thats fine and dandy, but nobody is responsible for anyone else.[/QUOTE] Alright I think I understund you as a person much better now. This explains a lot.

[QUOTE=kweh;49288581]Excuse me? Nobody should be moraly responsible for anyone other than themselves or their families, unless there is some kind of contract that forces said person's hand. Some people have trouble living their lives as it is. Why the fuck should they worry about other people? I seriously cannot comprehend how people think like this. If you want to help, thats fine and dandy, but nobody is responsible for anyone else.[/QUOTE] when you pay taxes do you imagine the roads are paved and the hospitals built especially for you

[QUOTE=kweh;49288581]Excuse me? Nobody should be moraly responsible for anyone other than themselves or their families, unless there is some kind of contract that forces said person's hand. Some people have trouble living their lives as it is. Why the fuck should they worry about other people? I seriously cannot comprehend how people think like this. If you want to help, thats fine and dandy, but nobody is responsible for anyone else.[/QUOTE] It's called having different convictions, you are probably more on the conservative side of things and his position is more liberal. Being concerned only about your monkey sphere vs. thinking about other people as also human beings no less deserving than you a good and peaceful life

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288594]when you pay taxes do you imagine the roads are paved and the hospitals built especially for you[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to say? They are indeed made with the purpose that I can use them if I need them. That's how (normally) tax money works. I contributed a bit, I get to use it a bit. Sounds fair.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49288132]And I just ignored the beggar sitting in front of the supermarket where I went for groceries an hour ago.[/QUOTE] And you support taking in more refugees? [editline]10th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kommodore;49288594]when you pay taxes do you imagine the roads are paved and the hospitals built especially for you[/QUOTE] They're made for citizens of the country.

it does eerily feel like discussing with a symphony of broken record right now

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49288567]what the fuck are you talking about you're comparing Kony to refugees? are you high?[/QUOTE] what the fuck are YOU talking about? are you that black and white (or baiting that much) that you see it as me comparing Kony to the refugees? I'm comparing this to situations where people turn a blind eye to negative facts of something involving a movement or a group of people, and only care about the few good facts that come out of it.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49288611] They're made for citizens of the country.[/QUOTE] do tourists have to walk everywhere and die when sick?

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;49288450]how much money or time have you given to the homeless. how much do you plan to?[/QUOTE] Obviously only wealthy people with lots of free time gripe about the poor and homeless getting no attention.

Sure we're all complaining that people with anti-refugee views are now using the poor in their countries to 'get across their agenda' but it doesn't mean they don't have a point. Our governments obviously have the funds to help people in need and that much is obvious following the crisis. Why didn't they use the money beforehand to help citizens in economic distress? Why don't they use that money to help them now? You can argue 'oh you didn't care about the homeless/poor before' but that doesn't mean these concerns aren't relevant. Citizens should receive welfare and the homeless rate reduced to 0 before any refugees are given aid. It is very simple.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288632]do tourists have to walk everywhere and die when sick?[/QUOTE] Honestly you shouldn't be visiting tourist sites if you're filling ill.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288594]when you pay taxes do you imagine the roads are paved and the hospitals built especially for you[/QUOTE] For me and other tax payers, yes.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288632]do tourists have to walk everywhere and die when sick?[/QUOTE] Tourism benefits a country economically. Also, yeah, we don't give tourists government healthcare.

So the about section for the 'sources' account is [quote]The beautiful, rosy multicultural paradise Europe’s leftists promised in the 1960s and ’70s is a utopia. We've received parallel societies and our culture has become nonexistent in many cities and no-go areas, this madness has got to end. You deserve a country where you can feel at home! Stand up and become a Patriot![/quote] I can see from the video it's from an ACTUAL SOURCE so can we get that instead of the right wing crazy channel?

Sorry guys but it is a slight bit true. The govt hauled ass pretty quickly as soon as the refugees came in, but never did anything to a similiar extent for the poor Right now it's even more of a lottery as to who among the needy gets housing and assistance, and as you can see journalists are already banking on it. Hell, the guy at 0:08 nailed it perfectly : "if you follow the news on TV, a war between the poor is exactly what they want"

[QUOTE=Killuah;49288588]Alright I think I understund you as a person much better now. This explains a lot.[/QUOTE] excuse me if some people can't let go off a few euros and can't lend a hand in the soup kitchen because they get to the end of the month short in cash and with barely no time to spare for even their own families

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49288651]Tourism benefits a country economically. Also, yeah, we don't give tourists government healthcare.[/QUOTE] wait do you actually believe that hospitals let you die if you cant pay

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;49288576]I'm sorry but I, for one, do believe that we had enough ressources to help the homeless and the such but people simply don't care about them. also yes good point lol forum discussion am I right?? I have made no claim to help the refugees with me writing here, still why would you come on here if you it's not to have an exchange of ideas with people over the internet? Why are we commenting on these news articles then?[/QUOTE] Then why are you claiming that he doesn't helps the poor because "he just thinks of them now"? No shit people don't care about them. This whole deal with the refugees was a "who wants to be a good samaritan?" kind of thing lol

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288674]wait do you actually believe that hospitals let you die if you cant pay[/QUOTE] No, stop being obtuse. They charge you. Get health insurance before you visit other countries.

but they treat you no matter what the point is, if you really gave a shit about homeless people you'd be complaining about the cost of the space program and other expenses that are superfluous when held against basic human needs, the fact that the sudden appearance of refugees awakened you to this reality makes you look like an opportunistic tool, that's it

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288700]the fact that the sudden appearance of refugees awakened you to this reality makes you look like an opportunistic tool, that's it[/QUOTE] This is pretty much what's going on with the higher ups. At times I feel as if the anger caused by this is directed towards the refugees just because of their situation

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288700]but they treat you no matter what the point is, if you really gave a shit about homeless people you'd be complaining about the cost of the space program and other expenses that are superfluous when held against basic human needs, the fact that the sudden appearance of refugees awakened you to this reality makes you look like an opportunistic tool, that's it[/QUOTE] fyi, theres no space program in Portugal or in many other european countries and I actually have sort of complained about the money that gets funneled into both the space and the military program

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49288700]but they treat you no matter what the point is, if you really gave a shit about homeless people you'd be complaining about the cost of the space program and other expenses that are superfluous when held against basic human needs, the fact that the sudden appearance of refugees awakened you to this reality makes you look like an opportunistic tool, that's it[/QUOTE] I don't think it's that no one gave a shit about the homeless, it's that they've become more vocal about it now that there is this obviously screwed up situation where a nation's own people are getting less treatment than immigrants and refugees from other nations. I'm not arguing natives should get better treatment, but really they should at least get equal treatment and is it truly wrong to complain about that even if you haven't before? "I never noticed this issue before so now I can't speak out about it now that it's even worse" :what:

Labor movements and charities that cared about the poor existed well before the refugee crisis? [QUOTE=Kommodore;49288700]the fact that the sudden appearance of refugees awakened you to this reality makes you look like an opportunistic tool, that's it[/QUOTE] Why are you saying this about me?

Oh look, another Rumbler thread, who is totally not against refugees because he works in a shelter. Seriously, can you please stop posting these propaganda pieces?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49288125]I remember when people were saying that this won't happen, that the refugees will not be treated any better then the actual citizens of any given country. What a wonderful world we live in! What's even better is most of the refugees keep protesting and demanding "better" conditions. So not only are politicians letting the actual homeless people of their countries suffer, but they dangle the fact that something could be actually done about their problems, but instead of helping your fellow countrymen and countrywomen, we'd rather help someone who comes from a foreign land and is generally ungrateful and disrespectful. Hopefully the politicians responsible for this are tried for treasonous actions against their fellow countrymen and countrywomen and are either exiled, put in a cell, or put to a fucking wall.[/QUOTE] there were already homeless before the refugees came, but now it's a tragedy?