Muslim prisoners sue over 'contaminated' halal pies - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42359515]he said prisoners can either eat contaminated food or starve. the analogy is more about the fact that he seems to consider prisoners subhuman.[/QUOTE] Except the starving would be the choice of the prisoner, not the prison administration. Also, their food wasn't "contaminated", just not what they find morally acceptable to eat. To say it was "contaminated" implies it would make them ill in some way.

The issue isn't that they were served ham and bacon, and told they didn't have a choice. The issue is that they were lied to about their meals not containing pork, when it did. That is easily grounds for a lawsuit.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42357784]Would it be ethical to advertise something containing meat as non-meat to a vegetarian? Being a prisoner doesn't mean the institution gets to lie to you and fuck with you, especially when it comes to diet. People can die if they don't eat the right things. Obviously that's not the case here, but think of the implications of what you're saying.[/QUOTE] No, it's not ethical, but if it were myself under these circumstances, I'd think "serves me right, I had this awesome thing called freedom to eat whatever I wanted before I robbed and/or murdered someone. Sucks to be for the next 10 years." If someone's life was on the line, then it'd be a different story. Even if it was something like vegetarianism for moral reasons, I'd still take that more seriously than this. This is arbitrary, superstitious nonsense that shouldn't dictate what is served to people who made the choice to have their freedom to eat whatever they want taken away. So they lied to them, I guess that's kind of mean. But probably not as bad as what they did to get in there in the first place. The reason I condone this: [quote=Article]Muslims are forbidden from eating pork under Islamic law.[/quote] Whatever crime they committed to land them in prison is forbidden under the law of the place in which they live, so they can damn well eat what's served. Don't like it? Don't commit crimes that warrant prison time. If it's really that big a deal, they should think twice about doing it again when they're released. I'm not saying they should mistreat them, using excessive force or otherwise, but I sure as hell don't think they should cater to the demands of a bunch of grown men who believe their imaginary sky-father has a problem with their diet when they've clearly committed much more serious crimes that I'm sure are covered in their storybook.

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;42361354]No, it's not ethical, but if it were myself under these circumstances, I'd think "serves me right, I had this awesome thing called freedom to eat whatever I wanted before I robbed and/or murdered someone. Sucks to be for the next 10 years."[/QUOTE] actually if you're in a position to rob/murder someone you're probably either too nuts to really care about deterrence or you'll have to go right back to it once you get out of jail due to your financial situation, criminal ties, etc.. it really isn't as simple as somebody just choosing to commit a crime, there needs to be a motive

I will assume that tax dollars pay for the prisons there, and that the state will end up awarding them their reparations (absolutely nothing happened to them). Which means now the law abiding tax payers' money is going to go into their pockets.

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;42361423]I will assume that tax dollars pay for the prisons there, and that the state will end up awarding them their reparations (absolutely nothing happened to them). Which means now the law abiding tax payers' money is going to go into their pockets.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should be angry that the prison system is a joke and fucked up and not the fact that people are rightfully angry because they were lied to. Where in the legislature does it say it's ok to lie to people just because they're in prison.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42361864]Maybe you should be angry that the prison system is a joke and fucked up and not the fact that people are rightfully angry because they were lied to. Where in the legislature does it say it's ok to lie to people just because they're in prison.[/QUOTE] It doesn't, but I just can't seem to find a reason to care when it's going to come out of tax dollars, as if they aren't costing the system enough as it is.

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;42362647]It doesn't, but I just can't seem to find a reason to care when it's going to come out of tax dollars, as if they aren't costing the system enough as it is.[/QUOTE] they wouldn't be costing the system more tax dollars if the prison was competent dude so why are blaming the prisoners and not the prison.

They are in prison for breaking the law of the country they are living in, yet they feel that their laws should be respected? Ironic. [editline]1st October 2013[/editline] Why would they get compensation anyways, how is money going to stop them from going to hell for eating pig? Are they going to get their stomachs pumped? This is just ridiculous.

I used to work with a Muslim lad, fairly strict; went to mosque most days, prayed on his breaks. But he used to always say how he loved the smell of bacon. I remember him saying in his view, that bacon smelling so good, was a trial by god to test his will. He did try pork once, by accident when his mum gave him some baked beans unknowingly they had little sausages in.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42363875]they wouldn't be costing the system more tax dollars if the prison was competent dude so why are blaming the prisoners and not the prison.[/QUOTE] They wouldn't be costing the system more money if we didn't take people's irrational beliefs seriously enough to go to court over AND more importantly if they had just not committed an [b][u][i]ACTUAL[/i][/u][/b] crime to end up in prison in the first place. They should apologise (maybe) and stop serving them that shit (not really.. but if they'll shut up). [editline]1st October 2013[/editline] Are the victims of their crimes going to get reparations from the state or do they have to settle with whiny prisoners serving their sentence with room service? [QUOTE=theVendetta;42366076]They are in prison for breaking the law of the country they are living in, yet they feel that their laws should be respected? Ironic.[/QUOTE] No it isn't, Allah's law is highest law and we need to respect that and take it more seriously than anything you've ever cared about in your life... this is eternal life and death we're talking about here.