• Mac Makes More Profit Than the Entire PC Industry
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Yeah, I got a clevo from them, I can't vouch for their other products, but they're great for clevos.
[QUOTE=Fort83;40311719]It really bugs me when people go on about mac being shit, it has its uses just like PCs have theirs. I use my mac for school and media while I used a PC for gaming (need to build a new one) and my mac meets my needs quite well. Yea macs may be kinda pricey but anything really worth it is usually kinda pricey.[/QUOTE] Except PC can do both of those, for ALOT cheaper and arguably better. It's also pretty funny how the 2 people that disagreed this post are the 2 mac users that are trying to defend apple.
[QUOTE=Elspin;40311038]Okay first of all why do you need some of "the best designers in the world" (god damn is that smug and full of shit) to design something so simple. It's literally just the two halves of a laptop mostly flat with the corners rounded. There is no distinguishing features, colour, or design - it's just simple. Yes, that looks pretty good, but why the fuck are you trying to pretend it's some kind of revolutionary world changing mastercraft design? On another note, closed software is not a sure sign of well designed software, open software can be collaborated on by many people to produce a better result if for no reason other than a large amount of testers who can provide better feedback by looking at the code responsible for the problems. Even if you literally just had the same people developing the software but had it open source so people could do a better job at finding faults in the program you would be guaranteed either the same or a better result.[/QUOTE] If the design is so simple, why didn't anybody make it before Apple?
Apple makes a reliable, stylish and intuitive product. They also happen to be a software company producing the hardware it runs on. This means they can work closely between the software and hardware to make something that doesn't feel slapped together. Because we all know how PC manufacturers differentiate their products; Pre-install a bunch of bloatware with the latest version of windows and call it a day. Apple may overcharge, but at least you get a good product out of the deal.
We've only really got space in our house for one computer, and after having really bad luck with PC's (about 3 in 2 years) my dad got an iMac. I've actually been pleasantly surprised by it. I mean, half of my Steam games have gone but that's because I've lost the ability to do anything with computers these days, which means I can't bootcamp. Still, thank god for Steamplay titles.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40310662]Imagine if OEM's never existed, you could either buy a prebuilt made by the OS maker or build your own. There'd be allot less computer issues and shit computers[/QUOTE] Where I live it is common for average joe's to buy pre-built computers are shit stores. Even some grocery stores sell computers. You'll never be able to comprehend how shitty computers are that you bought at a grocery store. I once discoverd that my uncle's GPU had some kind of sticker on it that sealed off the cooling fan.
So what this graph [I]really[/I] tells me is that I should buy Acer, 'cause I'm getting my money's worth there?
[QUOTE=Elspin;40310196]It's kinda hilarious how people are acting like Apple's profits are higher because of some inherent quality to them when the reality is they're just extremely overpriced - Asus products for example have consistently higher reliability than Macs, but the difference is they sell at much lower markup.[/QUOTE] From my experience, every single laptop PC I've ever owned or used has been far less reliable than the Macbook Pro that I've been using for a few years now. I don't think anyone can deny that they're put together extremely well.
[QUOTE=Elspin;40311038]Okay first of all why do you need some of "the best designers in the world" (god damn is that smug and full of shit) to design something so simple. It's literally just the two halves of a laptop mostly flat with the corners rounded. There is no distinguishing features, colour, or design - it's just simple. Yes, that looks pretty good, but why the fuck are you trying to pretend it's some kind of revolutionary world changing mastercraft design?[/QUOTE] Simple design doesn't mean a lack of design, in fact usually it means quite the opposite. I don't know about you, but I find most Acer laptops to look a bit ridiculous with their semi-random protrusions and changes in colour and surface finish. With a minimalist design you have to very carefully pick what aspects will stay, and how exactly they're going to be arranged. If you look at a typical cheap Acer laptop, it looks like the designers just crammed everything in, slapped some kind of futuristic-looking curves on there to make it look like a rectangular, plastic spaceship and decided it was done. Sure, both approaches successfully yield a physical container for the hardware in a laptop layout, but you can't deny that a large number of people care about the aesthetic aspect of the things they buy and use. [QUOTE=Ezhik;40311995]If the design is so simple, why didn't anybody make it before Apple?[/QUOTE] uhh, just what?
[QUOTE=locojaws;40312430]From my experience, every single laptop PC I've ever owned or used has been far less reliable than the Macbook Pro that I've been using for a few years now. I don't think anyone can deny that they're put together extremely well.[/QUOTE] Doesn't take away from the fact that Apple's PPU is around $250, whereas Dell and Asus's is a mere $40 or so, and Acer, Lenovo and HP are even lower. This means that for every Mac computer there's sold, Dell and Asus needs to sell 6 to make the same profit, Lenovo and HP needs to sell about 10, and Acer needs more than 25. This [I]also[/I] means that every time you pay for a Mac computer, you pay at least $200 more than you would for any other computer if it was made by any other company but used the same production quality and components.
I think they mean, pre built or possibly laptops. I don't see Gigabyte, MSI, EVGA, Corsair, Antec, Cooler Master or even Microsoft's Windows profits. The only advantage of a Mac is the OS. They can do fuck all as far as hardware is concerned. [QUOTE=MIPS;40310405]Apple was using OEM's back in the 90's and it almost destroyed the company. Almost all of the OEM systems were pure shit.[/QUOTE]I've heard about that, but I don't think it was what nearly destroyed the company, remember Commodore never released their OSes to OEMs and they just flat out died. I would buy OSX at Windows prices if it was possible. The Hardware on a Mac is just horrible, you can buy a $1000 PC which can beat a $2000 Mac.
I use macs and macbooks every day for free Why in the fuck anybody would want to spend money on one of these machines I will NEVER know The appeal is non-existent with these things It does everything my windows can do but slower and worse Actually not even everything, the fucking thing can hardly run anything
[QUOTE=locojaws;40312430]From my experience, every single laptop PC I've ever owned or used has been far less reliable than the Macbook Pro that I've been using for a few years now[/QUOTE] And am I right in saying that you are comparing the macbook to 200$ PCs? Because that's what a lot of people do, and that's why there exist people who say that "mac is better"
I wonder when Apple is gonna sue MacDonalds.
[QUOTE=XxNemisis116xX;40312464]I use macs and macbooks every day for free Why in the fuck anybody would want to spend money on one of these machines I will NEVER know The appeal is non-existent with these things It does everything my windows can do but slower and worse Actually not even everything, the fucking thing can hardly run anything[/QUOTE] Oh man, I loved the kids at school back in the day who had macbooks and then had to drag two computers along every day, because their Macs couldn't run the math programs we used, so they used the Macs in most classes, but had to switch over to their PC whenever we did math or physics. It was glorious.
[QUOTE=XxNemisis116xX;40312464]I use macs and macbooks every day for free Why in the fuck anybody would want to spend money on one of these machines I will NEVER know The appeal is non-existent with these things It does everything my windows can do but slower and worse Actually not even everything, the fucking thing can hardly run anything[/QUOTE] I'd only get one to run Autodesk Smoke and Apple Final cut pro. Why Smoke isn't on PC is just a bit sus, yeah thanks Apple :rolleyes: .
its because apples marketing team are smart and also their consumers are dumb as fucking bricks and dont actually know anything about computers
[QUOTE=Elspin;40310922]It certainly isn't, but it was a fantastic price/value when it came out and is still going strong 3 years longer than the macbook. To me, that's better. Either way I really don't think Macboks look all that great, they're just about as simple as a laptop can be and there's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't particularly stand out to me either.[/QUOTE] Are you being fucking serious? I've been through and bore witness to many, many models of 'other laptop' which have always been designed with thick, low quality horrible-to-feel, and thin plastic cases of questionable origin, which don't have performance even worth mentioning, and degrade speed-wise and battery-wise to barely usable within two years, not to mention the atrocious trackpads, which attempt to do 'multi touch' and other imitative features but tend to fail, be unresponsive and/or laggy and require shitty manufacturer 'software' (bloatware) which further bogs down the performance. Maybe I've not yet bought a Windows Laptop that's high end enough, but then I'd be looking at a £2k investment anyway, and you'll find that most MacBooks are cheaper than that anyway.. As for my Air, for general day-to-day browsing & work & portability it's identical to the day I bought it two and a half years ago, aside from a little battery-life drop off which is expected.
The point is that Apple is a brand (in proper meaning of the word) and people are willing to shell out more money for their computers. And Apple isn't stupid to sell their computers cheap. Their cheapest computer is a Mac Mini, which sells for $600. It has the following specifications: [QUOTE]2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 4GB memory 500GB hard drive Intel HD Graphics 4000 OS X Mountain Lion[/QUOTE] Not exactly the most impressive, but it's fine. You could get better hardware for half that, assuming you're willing to deal with it taking up more space and looking less aluminium-y. Oh and that price already includes manufacturers making money. If they made a plastic case which could look just as neat (it could be multicolored and all that jazz), they could easily sell and make still make considerable profit from it for $400. But they don't. Because they know they can easily sell it for $200 more. They could probably sell every single thing they have for $100 more and sales wouldn't be much lower. Some of the extra price goes into polishing and the rest just goes into their massive vaults full of Benjamin Franklins to swim in. If Apple taints its exclusiveness (though considering how many people have their hardware they're far from anything exclusive), their style, image, everything related to just what the brand Apple means, they'll have massive trouble, because those are why people are still willing to buy their stuff. It'll end though. Sooner or later.
[QUOTE=Murkrow;40312559] If Apple taints its exclusiveness (though considering how many people have their hardware they're far from anything exclusive), their style, image, everything related to just what the brand Apple means, they'll have massive trouble, because those are why people are still willing to buy their stuff.[/QUOTE] Or it could be because they're genuinely good products, with an OS that's completely unrivalled for what it does. You 'could' install Windows and be able to play games.. That's Windows only redeeming feature. Does the vast majority of the market of 14-50 year old users even care about this? How about not having to pay cash out the ass, probably on discs, for any software of any kind? Ever tried using Stock Windows to yield anything useful? It used to come with a decent version of MS Paint, which was great for pixel art, and that's about it (but the new version of Paint sucks nuts). Real sophisticated. It's word processor is also shit, which means you're pretty much forced to buy Office, which is £200+ anyway. If you're not computer handy, you're not going to be launching your freshly installed Chrome, heading to Steam to download all your games, followed by a bunch of virus-free software that you use regularly - you're going to be floundering around on Download.com or being misled into accidentally installing spyware or worrying about having your credit cards nicked trying to buy things from some shady site - or downloading games and software to find they don't even work properly because you happened to buy a shite laptop, not knowing any better. Why bother with all this fuss, as a new user, when you can simply buy a Mac and have decent software there from the beginning, practically everything a PC user would need, the ability to buy (and watch) movies and buy music pre-installed. The ability to take and process photos well. The App Store, where you can't possibly get a virus because all of the million+ apps are vetted, plus you know they'll work properly because they were designed for your hardware.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40312602] You 'could' install Windows and be able to play games.. That's Windows only redeeming feature. [/QUOTE] Or, you know, the fact that a wide range of programs, especially older ones that have become de-facto industry standards (TI-Interactive, for example) won't run on the Mac OS. Just, y'know, a thing to consider before you buy a Mac for work-useage.
Yeah you COULD install windows and play games but the mac is about as powerful as a calculator and can't run shit I had major slowdowns in Word because there were too many pictures Word freezes all the time too, I'm not even sure how that happens at all
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40312551]Are you being fucking serious? I've been through and bore witness to many, many models of 'other laptop' which have always been designed with thick, low quality horrible-to-feel, and thin plastic cases of questionable origin, which don't have performance even worth mentioning, and degrade speed-wise and battery-wise to barely usable within two years, not to mention the atrocious trackpads, which attempt to do 'multi touch' and other imitative features but tend to fail, be unresponsive and/or laggy and require shitty manufacturer 'software' (bloatware) which further bogs down the performance. Maybe I've not yet bought a Windows Laptop that's high end enough, but then I'd be looking at a £2k investment anyway, and you'll find that most MacBooks are cheaper than that anyway.. As for my Air, for general day-to-day browsing & work & portability it's identical to the day I bought it two and a half years ago, aside from a little battery-life drop off which is expected.[/QUOTE] I bought a cheap Sony Vaio more than 3 years ago. It still works as the day I bought it, and even though I've dropped it from 1+ meters more than a few times (even while running), it doesn't show at all - though it has gotten quite scratched on the painted lid from being in my bag. Sure, neither the battery life nor the screen is (or was) very good, but it's not any worse than the day I bought it. Its temperatures are solid even after 3 years without a dust-out, and even then it's not noisy at all. The trackpad gets the job done and is in general pretty precise, and the scrolling works well enough. Quality can be found even at low price point, you just need to look for it. [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=XxNemisis116xX;40312720]Yeah you COULD install windows and play games but the mac is about as powerful as a calculator and can't run shit I had major slowdowns in Word because there were too many pictures Word freezes all the time too, I'm not even sure how that happens at all[/QUOTE] Yeah "the Mac" is really slow and unusable. It's not like "the Mac" uses the same hardware as "the Windows".
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40312732]I bought a cheap Sony Vaio more than 3 years ago. It still works as the day I bought it, and even though I've dropped it from 1+ meters more than a few times (even while running), it doesn't show at all - though it has gotten quite scratched on the painted lid from being in my bag. Sure, neither the battery life nor the screen is (or was) very good, but it's not any worse than the day I bought it. Its temperatures are solid even after 3 years without a dust-out, and even then it's not noisy at all. The trackpad gets the job done and is in general pretty precise, and the scrolling works well enough. Quality can be found even at low price point, you just need to look for it. [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] Yeah "the Mac" is really slow and unusable. It's not like "the Mac" uses the same hardware as "the Windows".[/QUOTE]Which model?
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40310862]something tells me that 5 year old Asus laptop isn't a unibody made of aluminum with a thin, sleek design[/QUOTE] Ohhhh man fucking aluminum so cash except not aluminum is cheap as shit and isn't even very strong it's just light You're probably the kind.of dumbass that buys alienware or would just for the looks
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;40312760]Which model?[/QUOTE] VPCEB1M1E This guy: [url]http://www.notebookcheck.net/Sony-Vaio-VPCEB1M1E-BJ.29905.0.html[/url] It's not even bad looking or anything, in my opinion. [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40312768]Ohhhh man fucking aluminum so cash except not aluminum is cheap as shit and isn't even very strong it's just light You're probably the kind.of dumbass that buys alienware or would just for the looks[/QUOTE] The Baconator is actually pretty quite computer literate, as far as I'm concerned. And he's got a point: Macs are in general well built, and aluminium is a [I]very[/I] nice material (espeically in the looks department), even if it isn't always superior to plastic.
Make computers for cheap, add one gimmick to make it look trendy, and add a few grands to the price. Yeah, sounds like profit to me.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40312790]VPCEB1M1E This guy: [url]http://www.notebookcheck.net/Sony-Vaio-VPCEB1M1E-BJ.29905.0.html[/url] It's not even bad looking or anything, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Not bad, I remember there was a 1080p version, I'm using a VGN-SR46GD, this guy [url]http://www.sony-asia.com/product/vgn-sr46gd[/url] .
[QUOTE=Amez;40310072]If only OEM companies would make quality computers with absolutely no bloatware, a man can dream.[/QUOTE] This. All Acer, HP and the likes are doing nowadays are SHIT notebooks loaded with shovelware which serves no purpose.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;40312830]This. All Acer, HP and the likes are doing nowadays are SHIT notebooks loaded with shovelware which serves no purpose.[/QUOTE] First thing I do with any labtop I buy is format the shit. When you buy one with a 320 gig disk, and it's already half-full before you even install Firefox, that shit's broken.
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