[QUOTE=RoboChimp;40312813]Not bad, I remember there was a 1080p version, I'm using a VGN-SR46GD, this guy [url]http://www.sony-asia.com/product/vgn-sr46gd[/url] .[/QUOTE]
I love the "Smooth Graphics" in the spec sheet.
Silly people spend silly amounts of money, and my God there are plenty of silly people.
What's new?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40312602]Or it could be because they're genuinely good products, with an OS that's completely unrivalled for what it does.
You 'could' install Windows and be able to play games.. That's Windows only redeeming feature.
Does the vast majority of the market of 14-50 year old users even care about this? How about not having to pay cash out the ass, probably on discs, for any software of any kind?
Ever tried using Stock Windows to yield anything useful? It used to come with a decent version of MS Paint, which was great for pixel art, and that's about it (but the new version of Paint sucks nuts).
Real sophisticated. It's word processor is also shit, which means you're pretty much forced to buy Office, which is £200+ anyway.
If you're not computer handy, you're not going to be launching your freshly installed Chrome, heading to Steam to download all your games, followed by a bunch of virus-free software that you use regularly - you're going to be floundering around on Download.com or being misled into accidentally installing spyware or worrying about having your credit cards nicked trying to buy things from some shady site - or downloading games and software to find they don't even work properly because you happened to buy a shite laptop, not knowing any better.
Why bother with all this fuss, as a new user, when you can simply buy a Mac and have decent software there from the beginning, practically everything a PC user would need, the ability to buy (and watch) movies and buy music pre-installed. The ability to take and process photos well. The App Store, where you can't possibly get a virus because all of the million+ apps are vetted, plus you know they'll work properly because they were designed for your hardware.[/QUOTE]
I can't really comment on the word processing part since I don't know what kinda software Mac has. But yes, it's a good point. But considering Microsoft makes the most money selling Office, I don't think that's likely to change much. Though you can easily get similar freeware (Libreoffice and whatnot), it's not exactly preinstalled. But if you'd want to work on a budget and you don't need any super fancy work done, it works just fine.
Would be nice to have something like basic Excel and Word preinstalled, perhaps without some of the more fancy features (database connection, stuff like that).
As for app store, Windows has that too starting with 8. It's flawed, that's pretty clear, but it has an official source. And don't say all is fine and dandy on the App store. There have been cases of malware and number of apps doesn't mean much if it turned out half of them are fart apps.
As for hardware incompatibility, I don't recall when I last ran into a hardware incompatible application on Windows 7 x64. Obviously 16 bit applications and old garbage made for windows 98 don't work but otherwise windows excels in running pretty much anything on anything. Backwards compatibility (and running literally 12 year old operating system and expecting it to work) is one of Windows' strong points, and also a big weakness.
Hopefully with the next Windows they'll start bundling more basic software and, as much as I like it, tone down on Metro a bit. Then it can start competing.
I hear people say Macs are good for art, and I wouldn't know personally, but when I visited the art school my sister goes to, everybody was using a mac.
That and those fancy computers you can draw on.
So what's the breakdown between laptop and PC, and what age groups are consuming them? At least in my college there's a lot more people who have macs than PCs. In one my classes when a prof turned off the lights for a presentation it was literally a wall of glowing apples.
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[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;40313130]I hear people say Macs are good for art, and I wouldn't know personally, but when I visited the art school my sister goes to, everybody was using a mac.
That and those fancy computers you can draw on.[/QUOTE]
You get imovie and final cut, and at least final cut is a pretty solid piece of software (although it costs about the same amount as a low end mac)
Spoiled high school/college students love shiny, expensive Macs.
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;40313130]I hear people say Macs are good for art, and I wouldn't know personally, but when I visited the art school my sister goes to, everybody was using a mac.
That and those fancy computers you can draw on.[/QUOTE]
After using both a Mac and PC for that task, there is no difference. Macbooks and iMacs have the advantage of having beautiful, color-accurate screens which is important, but the actual software is pretty much exactly the same. It doesn't run any smoother.
All depends on what you're trying to do though, as "art" is a broad term. If you're doing 2D work like Illustrator or Photoshop, Mac or PC will do the job just fine. If you're doing 3D graphics, PC is pretty much the only solution, and last I checked it's the industry standard.
[QUOTE=Elspin;40310196]It's kinda hilarious how people are acting like Apple's profits are higher because of some inherent quality to them when the reality is they're just extremely overpriced - Asus products for example have consistently higher reliability than Macs, but the difference is they sell at much lower markup.[/QUOTE]
I have an ASUS N56VZ.
[URL]http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-N56VZ-S4044V-Notebook.78305.0.html[/URL]
It cost £900, and wipes the floor with my friends MBP which cost him £1500.
It doesn't have the glass screen, it's a bit thicker and the trackpad isn't perfect. But for £600 less it has a superior CPU, a better graphics card, more hard disk space and a bluray drive.
It annoys me when people associate Windows Laptops with the cheap plastic hateful things you buy for £300 at PC World, and then decide the only good Laptop is a Mac. You can get really nice Windows laptops for far less than MBPs.
Edit - the logo on the back even lights up, just like the Apple on mac books. A supremely pointless feature if I ever saw one.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40312900]chinkpads[/QUOTE]
what
So is that just profits on laptops or actually all PC's - since there's absolutely huge huge amounts of enterprise profits of which apple sees not a dint at all.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;40309917]Obviously when you sell $1500 computers for your lower end models you're going to make more.[/QUOTE]
This isn't true because we're focusing on margins.
e.g. Selling 4 x $500 Laptops would make more profit than selling 1 x $1500 laptop if the profit margins were the same.
Its because macs sell cheap parts in a shiny case as luxury items at higher margins.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40311687]In all seriousness, I know the Mac is good for video editing and media work. I just always abhorred the price, especially considering their limited upgradeability/bullshit proprietary peripherals.[/QUOTE]
Ultrabooks are no better
Ulyrabooks which are what Windows OEM's are banking on, are macbook clones at similar prices. This overpriced theory about Macbooks doesn't hold water
Not a surprise, Apple's business strategy is very strict and aggressive and it works. They advertise a fuckton, their shit looks nice, it runs fast and for the most part well too and isn't bloated to shit. Of course they are kinda overpriced but so are all brand names but people like the brand enough to pay premium for it. Their devices (phones, laptops) feel really nice and are rather sturdy too. If they weren't so expensive their market share would be frigging huge.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40312551]Are you being fucking serious?
I've been through and bore witness to many, many models of 'other laptop' which have always been designed with thick, low quality horrible-to-feel, and thin plastic cases of questionable origin, which don't have performance even worth mentioning, and degrade speed-wise and battery-wise to barely usable within two years, not to mention the atrocious trackpads, which attempt to do 'multi touch' and other imitative features but tend to fail, be unresponsive and/or laggy and require shitty manufacturer 'software' (bloatware) which further bogs down the performance.
Maybe I've not yet bought a Windows Laptop that's high end enough, but then I'd be looking at a £2k investment anyway, and you'll find that most MacBooks are cheaper than that anyway..
As for my Air, for general day-to-day browsing & work & portability it's identical to the day I bought it two and a half years ago, aside from a little battery-life drop off which is expected.[/QUOTE]
I don't really get it when people diss the design of regular laptops. It's not designed from ghetto toilet seats and filthy tires from the junkyard. Regardless if it looks ugly or not, it should be more about it's substance than it's flashiness.
[QUOTE=Megafan;40311868]I always hear this, but what exactly are Macs better at than other PCs, technically speaking?[/QUOTE]
They aren't.
They have good specs, but for the price you can get a much much better computer.
My 800 dollar laptop would have cost 1200 if it was a macbook, talking about specs.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40313980]Ultrabooks are no better
Ulyrabooks which are what Windows OEM's are banking on, are macbook clones at similar prices. This overpriced theory about Macbooks doesn't hold water[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't get the "everybody is just copying Apple"-part. Thin notebooks have been around for a long time: [url]http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=1970[/url]
And while the Zenbook line may look like the Air (and even then I think they're quite easy to set apart), the Series 9, Acer S7 and the Vaio ultrabooks (and more) all have their own style. Sure, Apple started the trend (the X505 never took off, as you might've guessed), but giving Apple credit for everything since sliced bread is just stupid.
While I can hedge a legitimate complaint about the flimsy plastic and awful trackpad on my laptop, it's $350 pricetag is incomparable to that of a Mac, and considering how rarely I use my laptop in the first place, I simply can't justify buying a Mac.
Denying that their aluminium frames and trackpads are simply better is just wrong, though. There is [I]some[/I]​ legitimacy to the pricetag.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;40313819]what[/QUOTE]
Thinkpads are made in china.
[QUOTE=Cotroxy;40311538]Judging by all the ultra books / laptops trying to copy the design [I see many macbook lookalikes at my local electronics store] I'd say it's a pretty good design.[/QUOTE]
I would assume they are trying to copy its `design` because they realized it might get them more sales; this does not mean that the design employed by Apple for their Macbook is good. Its a popular design but that does not mean it is good; snorting condoms is popular but that does not mean its a good thing.
I really hate to denounce Apple Mac's based on its looks as looks alone is not an accurate assessment of its functionality and reliability. You should never base most of your decision to buy something on its looks.
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Its my own personal opinion that most people who buy (because they want to and not have to) Apple Macs don't care about personalization and would rather adopt someone/everyone elses likes and dislikes.
Then you have people who buy Apple Macs because its popular and they want to be popular too so what better way to become accepted by your Apple loving peers than to buy an Apple Mac.
99% of the public will buy someone based on its looks; the other 1% which includes myself don't care as long as it does not look like a giant piece of shit.
I also don't have money to `splash` around on Apple products when there are cheaper and more reliable alternatives that don't make my wallet cry at night like it has being raped; reliability, customizability, and functionality are big factors for me and Apple products don't cut it. If it is not going to last then its garbage.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40312900]Even chinkpads are nowhere near as good as they used to be, where has the solid magnesium alloy chassis gone?[/QUOTE]
I still have a thinkpad from 1995, which looks like it's literally been through hell and back, and it still works perfectly. I can't stand laptops that don't last, it's bullshit, we've had the technology to do it for a decent price for decades. That's why I spent so much time researching my current laptop, and I'm glad I did. It's lasted through college (and plenty of idiocy during) and it's still like the day I got it. Don't get me wrong though, nothing, not even a clevo, can stand up to an old think pad. I'm really tempted to try to figure out a way to replace its guts, but I bet it would take a lot of work.
That's something that needs a kick starter. Find the design team behind the only good laptops ever, and get them back to work.
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pc sold SIGNIFICANTLY more than apple... yet apple makes more money, it shows how overpriced as FUCK they are :v:
you know what that means?
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40310950]I disagree. IMO, custom is a pretty small segment of the PC market. Most people are too stupid or lazy or uncaring to b ild their own PC.[/QUOTE]
Fair, but,still
Theres also other prebuilt OTHER than those 5, a ton.
And i just bought a macbook... used.
Was it cruel for me to smile when I saw that Acer was making the least profit of all?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40314315]While I can hedge a legitimate complaint about the flimsy plastic and awful trackpad on my laptop, it's $350 pricetag is incomparable to that of a Mac, and considering how rarely I use my laptop in the first place, I simply can't justify buying a Mac.
Denying that their aluminium frames and trackpads are simply better is just wrong, though. There is [I]some[/I]​ legitimacy to the pricetag.[/QUOTE]
Aluminium isn't always better, though. Plastic is lighter, and as long as it's not some flimsy shit, it'll take a drop as well or than aluminium will. Plastic done right can be great (if I'm allowed to reference a different market, just look at the Lumia line of phones), but oftentimes the build quality is simply shit.
All laptops these days allow too much motherboard flex anyway. Aluminum or plastic.
Still, the next laptop I will buy [U]will[/U] be a MacBook, because I want an Ultrabook and no other company can deliver what Apple can as far as build quality and durability. I'm done with Windows OEMs slapping bloatware on the laptops, and putting graphics cards that overheat the thing. I've had bad experiences with Toshiba, HP, Dell, Sony, and Lenovo laptops, from just bricking, to poor trackpads. Everyone that I know who has owned a MacBook has kept it for at least 2 or 3 years, still performing well. My dad got his dropped by a TSA agent 5 feet onto it's corner on the ground (the angle that usually kills laptops) and it still worked fine.
It's not because it's shiny. It's not because it's user-friendly. I'm a Computer Science major, and I want a MacBook.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40314816]Aluminium isn't always better, though. Plastic is lighter, and as long as it's not some flimsy shit, it'll take a drop as well or than aluminium will. Plastic done right can be great (if I'm allowed to reference a different market, just look at the Lumia line of phones), but oftentimes the build quality is simply shit.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, it is a summation of things, but the simple fact is a lot of manufacturers don't put the effort into build quality like Apple does, especially when it comes to computers.
[QUOTE=Timarley;40311914]Except PC can do both of those, for ALOT cheaper and arguably better.
It's also pretty funny how the 2 people that disagreed this post are the 2 mac users that are trying to defend apple.[/QUOTE]
Oh how could I wander away from this thread for 9 hours.
Windows PCs simply aren't as simple for most people, and the OS is really designed to be a "one-size-fits-all" so it doesn't run as well as it would've had it been restricted to certain hardware like OS X.
Also taking a cheap stab at an icon under me is pretty silly, considering that I built a couple PCs, own an Android phone and plan on getting another. This is my only Mac so far [but I would definitely get another one, just like I would build another PC.]
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40314816]Aluminium isn't always better, though. Plastic is lighter, and as long as it's not some flimsy shit, it'll take a drop as well or than aluminium will. Plastic done right can be great (if I'm allowed to reference a different market, just look at the Lumia line of phones), but oftentimes the build quality is simply shit.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that most things made out of plastic feel like cheap shit. I hate the feeling of plastic.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;40315178]Still, the next laptop I will buy [U]will[/U] be a MacBook, because I want an Ultrabook and no other company can deliver what Apple can as far as build quality and durability. I'm done with Windows OEMs slapping bloatware on the laptops, and putting graphics cards that overheat the thing. I've had bad experiences with Toshiba, HP, Dell, Sony, and Lenovo laptops, from just bricking, to poor trackpads. Everyone that I know who has owned a MacBook has kept it for at least 2 or 3 years, still performing well. My dad got his dropped by a TSA agent 5 feet onto it's corner on the ground (the angle that usually kills laptops) and it still worked fine.
It's not because it's shiny. It's not because it's user-friendly. I'm a Computer Science major, and I want a MacBook.[/QUOTE]
The last sentence of this really sounded like an advert.
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