• Mac Makes More Profit Than the Entire PC Industry
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[QUOTE=garychencool;40310422]Macs are overpriced, that's the only reason.[/QUOTE] yeah god forbid people buy things which are nice to own
[QUOTE=Eltro102;40316743]yeah god forbid people buy things which are nice to own[/QUOTE] no you don't understand I don't like thing!!
[QUOTE=Cotroxy;40315539]Oh how could I wander away from this thread for 9 hours. Windows PCs simply aren't as simple for most people, and the OS is really designed to be a "one-size-fits-all" so it doesn't run as well as it would've had it been restricted to certain hardware like OS X. Also taking a cheap stab at an icon under me is pretty silly, considering that I built a couple PCs, own an Android phone and plan on getting another. This is my only Mac so far [but I would definitely get another one, just like I would build another PC.] [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] The problem is that most things made out of plastic feel like cheap shit. I hate the feeling of plastic.[/QUOTE] Actually, manufacturers can do a lot of stuff to optimize battery life and such, just not to the extend Apple can. For example: [url]http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/14/acer-iconia-w700-review/[/url] There's a reason why this (and many other devices) runs a lot longer than other tablets with the same specs, and it's not only because of the battery size, or necessarily the screen.
[QUOTE=Untouch;40314146]They aren't. They have good specs, but for the price you can get a much much better computer. My 800 dollar laptop would have cost 1200 if it was a macbook, talking about specs.[/QUOTE] you can't compare a non ultrabook to a Macbook. They have aluminium unibodies and thin, low profile designs
[QUOTE=J!NX;40314652][thumb]http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Screen-Shot-2013-04-16-at-4-16-4.05.57-PM.png[/thumb] FULL image pc sold SIGNIFICANTLY more than apple... yet apple makes more money, it shows how overpriced as FUCK they are :v: you know what that means? [thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/QuarkDS9.jpg/250px-QuarkDS9.jpg[/thumb] Fair, but,still Theres also other prebuilt OTHER than those 5, a ton.[/QUOTE] Overpriced? They're expensive, but they aren't overpriced. If they were overpriced, no one would buy their stuff. Customers buy their products, thus making them worth the price tag to those people. Clearly there are enough of these customers, or else Apple would go bankrupt.
they're not overpriced because they are similar prices to Ultrabooks which are carbon copies of Macbooks just with Windows and made by OEM's instead. People here ignore unibody design, materials, thinness, etc. Funny cause they don't ignore that stuff when it comes to smartphones
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40316777]Overpriced? They're expensive, but they aren't overpriced. If they were overpriced, no one would buy their stuff. Customers buy their products, thus making them worth the price tag to those people. Clearly there are enough of these customers, or else Apple would go bankrupt.[/QUOTE] Replace "overpriced" with "huge markup". To be honest it's a bit of a reflection on the damage Microsoft's monopoly has caused, OEMs have all but stagnated and just pump out the same shit year after year. Apple has/had (I'm sure they'd prefer you pick up an iPad or something) the industry in the bag, I hope at least a few OEMs pull their heads of their asses and start building quality laptops or I'm going to give up on computers and going to live in the woods.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40316777]Overpriced? They're expensive, but they aren't overpriced. If they were overpriced, no one would buy their stuff. Customers buy their products, thus making them worth the price tag to those people. Clearly there are enough of these customers, or else Apple would go bankrupt.[/QUOTE] Overpriced = humongous profit margin on x product. Doesn't fucking matter that consumers buy it - I mean by your logic Vertu phones are priced just right; I mean, people buy them and they seem to make money, right?
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40316859]they're not overpriced because they are similar prices to Ultrabooks which are carbon copies of Macbooks just with Windows and made by OEM's instead. People here ignore unibody design, materials, thinness, etc. Funny cause they don't ignore that stuff when it comes to smartphones[/QUOTE] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1261820&p=40314270&viewfull=1#post40314270[/url] Why didn't you respond to this? I honestly don't get your point with the "carbon copies" - it's obviously not true. About the Unibody stuff, sure, but they're still priced to high compared with the manufacturing costs.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40316929][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1261820&p=40314270&viewfull=1#post40314270[/url] Why didn't you respond to this? I honestly don't get your point with the "carbon copies" - it's obviously not true. About the Unibody stuff, sure, but they're still priced to high compared with the manufacturing costs.[/QUOTE] because it doesn't change the fact that Ultrabooks are similarly priced, with similar specs. So clearly it's not just Apple's overpricing plot if Windows OEM's can't lower prices of aluminum unibody, slim laptops.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40317121]Don't all the Windows ultrabooks either fall short on the trackpad, keyboard, battery life, build quality, bloatware or a combination of the lot?[/QUOTE] Bloatware isn't hard to fix, even without an OS you'd have a quality piece of hardware to do what you like with.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40316884]If that's the cost for a sturdy computer without a cheap piano black fingerprint magnet case, 32Gb of bloatware pre-installed out of the box and not covered in stickers then so be it, that is the cost of a decent computer. [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] Remind me how much the Lenovo, HP or Dell business grade laptops cost? You know the ones that don't disintegrate after 2 years?[/QUOTE] This much (mine's older than two years, but if it fails on me, I'm finding a way to reuse my old think pad's case, although it shows no signs of doing so any time soon) It says something about your research when those are the three you choose to represent PC laptops. [url]http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-clevo-sager-notebooks-ct-95_51_162.html[/url] [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] It took work to find and decide on a clevo, but it was worth it. Who just grabs a laptop without poring over reviews?
[QUOTE=Appellation;40317214]Who just grabs a laptop without poring over reviews?[/QUOTE] Unfortunately a lot of people, which is why the MacBook, I reckon, is so popular.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40317378]Unfortunately a lot of people, which is why the MacBook, I reckon, is so popular.[/QUOTE] I never understood why people decide to make such an expensive purchase without doing any research into the quality of the product. Still, like I said, macbooks aren't -bad- in terms of [i]quality[/i], just [i]quality/cost[/i]. They're still worlds better than the shitty PC vendors like HP in terms of reliability, they're just not the best and they're by far the most expensive. Then there's the people (typically fanboys) that flat out ignore or fight against facts and research if it doesn't show what they want. Despite posting factual statistics on failure rates some people still chose to believe that Macs are the most reliable computers :v: [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=danharibo;40317208]Bloatware isn't hard to fix, even without an OS you'd have a quality piece of hardware to do what you like with.[/QUOTE] Bloatware is a subjective term anyway, I don't give two shits about any of the software that comes packaged with a Mac so it's all bloatware to me anyway.
[QUOTE=Elspin;40317498] Bloatware is a subjective term anyway, I don't give two shits about any of the software that comes packaged with a Mac so it's all bloatware to me anyway.[/QUOTE] That is the jist really, you can fix bad software for free but you can't fix a crappy design.
[QUOTE=danharibo;40317208]Bloatware isn't hard to fix, even without an OS you'd have a quality piece of hardware to do what you like with.[/QUOTE] I think his point is despite being priced at a premium, they still have faults that shouldn't be at those prices. Remember, bloatware exists to "keep costs down", yet many Ultrabooks are around the same price or sometimes [I]even more[/I] than Macbook equivalents, yet still have tons of faults Macbooks don't have. it can't add up unless you realize they aren't overpriced
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40317121]Don't all the Windows ultrabooks either fall short on the trackpad, keyboard, battery life, build quality, bloatware or a combination of the lot?[/QUOTE] The Zenbook line's trackpad is actually really, really good. Maybe not [I]as[/I] good, but definitely not bad at all. Windows support for gestures could be better, but I think I can live with that considering you can get it for like 350-600$ less here in Denmark. [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The Baconator;40318359]I think his point is despite being priced at a premium, they still have faults that shouldn't be at those prices. Remember, bloatware exists to "keep costs down", yet many Ultrabooks are around the same price or sometimes [I]even more[/I] than Macbook equivalents, yet still have tons of faults Macbooks don't have. it can't add up unless you realize they aren't overpriced[/QUOTE] Here in Denmark they aren't really overpriced compared to the Mac equivalent, but in the states, yeah, they're too expensive.
Considering 90% of my laptop usage is done with a wireless mouse, the trackpad bit isn't important to me.
GoDong: regardless of the price difference, it's not going to be like comments here where there are posters who literally believe they are getting an equivalent to a Macbook for $400-$500 less.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40317121]Don't all the Windows ultrabooks either fall short on the trackpad, keyboard, battery life, build quality, bloatware or a combination of the lot?[/QUOTE] It's the biggest problem. If a Windows OEM could build a solid ultrabook, I'd be all over that.
i like windows over OSX but one think people keep forgetting is that manufacturers are PAYED to put junkware on their computers and to put those ugly intel and nvidia stickers on their computers. since apple is not paid to do so there is a higher price
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40309875]Also who can name a model or series from an OEM? I certainly can't, I don't know what Windows PC models are currently sitting on the shelves of Walmart.[/QUOTE]HP, Gateway, Asus, and Acer. [url]www.walmart.com[/url] [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] I really, really had to post this when I read that single sentence.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;40322405]HP, Gateway, Asus, and Acer. [url]www.walmart.com[/url] [editline]17th April 2013[/editline] I really, really had to post this when I read that single sentence.[/QUOTE] those aren't models
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40309875]Also who can name a model or series from an OEM? I certainly can't, I don't know what Windows PC models are currently sitting on the shelves of Walmart. The OEM industry needs to be completely revamped.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming its because neither they nor the consumers care. Going by the people I know, they just see an ad for a sale on a PC, decide theirs is a little long in tooth and buys the PC on sale. They don't care if its a Dell Dimension, or HP Pavilion. These same people just don't care about Macs either because "$1K+ for a stupid computer?? Are you crazy??"
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40322443]those aren't models[/QUOTE] A "Macbook" isn't a model either but you're happy to accept those apparently :v: I'd bet basically no one in the thread can recall specific model #s of macbooks, however those are labelled - and I can at least recall a few OEM models like the F8, and G7X.
[QUOTE=Elspin;40322592]A "Macbook" isn't a model either but you're happy to accept those apparently :v: I'd bet basically no one in the thread can recall specific model #s of macbooks, however those are labelled - and I can at least recall a few OEM models like the F8, and G7X.[/QUOTE] Yeah well it's also a lot easier to remember and say "Well I have a 13 inch Macbook Pro, late 2012 version" over "yeah I have an Acer Aspire 1300, or a Aspire 1420P, or aAspire 1810TZ, or a Aspire 2430, or a Aspire 2920..." You get the point.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40322697]Yeah well it's also a lot easier to remember and say "Well I have a 13 inch Macbook Pro, late 2012 version" over "yeah I have an Acer Aspire 1300, or a Aspire 1420P, or aAspire 1810TZ, or a Aspire 2430, or a Aspire 2920..." You get the point.[/QUOTE] That actually further reinforces my point, because the closest thing a mac appears to have to a model number is the year the person got it. His (rather ridiculous) point he was trying to make is that nobody remembers a specific model name because it's a lower quality product or somehow less memorable. In reality though, apple really just has a few products that they re-release every so often so it's easy to say "oh well that's an apple laptop, so it's a macbook". Honestly, I don't understand why apple fanboys can't just admit that there's nothing particularly special about either the build quality or appearance of a macbook. You don't have to pretend something is revolutionary and world changing to like it.
[QUOTE=Elspin;40322724]That actually further reinforces my point, because the closest thing a mac appears to have to a model number is the year the person got it. His (rather ridiculous) point he was trying to make is that nobody remembers a specific model name because it's a lower quality product or somehow less memorable. In reality though, apple really just has a few products that they re-release every so often so it's easy to say "oh well that's an apple laptop, so it's a macbook". Honestly, I don't understand why apple fanboys can't just admit that there's nothing particularly special about either the build quality or appearance of a macbook. You don't have to pretend something is revolutionary and world changing to like it.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/2Cekg/c631b3eadb[/IMG] let me give you a hint exactly what I googled: [sp]macbook pro model number[/sp]
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40319004]GoDong: regardless of the price difference, it's not going to be like comments here where there are posters who literally believe they are getting an equivalent to a Macbook for $400-$500 less.[/QUOTE] Zenbook (500GB hybrid drive, though): [url]http://www.edbpriser.dk/baerbar/asus-zenbook-ux32a-r3013h-id-6988562.aspx?q=zenbook[/url] Series 9 (Slightly less, better screen): [url]http://www.edbpriser.dk/baerbar/samsung-series-9-900x3c-id-6988728.aspx?q=samsung+series+9[/url] Macbook Air: [url]http://www.edbpriser.dk/baerbar/apple-macbook-air-id-6869620.aspx?q=macbook+air[/url] I don't have a lot of time right now, but obviously you can get something very much like an Air, for less. But in the end, it really depends on what you use it for - I personally want Windows' compability, while you may prefer Mac OSX or whatever.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40322942][IMG]http://puu.sh/2Cekg/c631b3eadb[/IMG] let me give you a hint exactly what I googled: [sp]macbook pro model number[/sp][/QUOTE] The fact is though, who really wants to remember a model number? The Year nomenclature works a lot better, if they made a new model number whenever they made a new car that would really hard to remember, it's why porsche sticks to labeling their 991 as the 911.
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