• Marijuana Ingredient Can Help Heal Broken Bones, Study Says
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When weed's legalized people will shut up about how wonderful it is and everyone can live in peace
[QUOTE=Paramud;48264196]Ignoring the fact that hemp cloth is both inferior and more costly than modern alternatives, hemp isn't marijuana. As well, you'll notice I never argued about legalization. If you want to smoke weed, whatever. Go ahead. Not my problem. But don't fucking tout it as a miracle plant that cures everything, because it isn't.[/QUOTE] Ignoring the fact while it was still legal to grow hemp paper and hemp cloth was much cheaper than paying for other types of paper/cloth.
[QUOTE=Tasm;48264369]Really? Hard drugs such as alcohol? Bahaha Weed is just as addictive if not more addictive, hell, How do you even compare that? Have you got some source for that or is it some bullshit you made up?[/QUOTE] Alcohol is one of the only drugs that can kill you during detox by simply not having the drug administration n your system. Virtually no other drug kills during detox simply by being chemically absent. You choke on vomit or become severely dehydrated or any number of other avenues, but alcohol can straight up kill you just for not consuming it.
I have always despised pot. Always. Irrationally. It probably has to do with the fact that my parents couldn't be arsed to do anything but smoke pot and beat me when they couldn't afford it. I still manage to tolerate people that consume it. I don't blame the drug for their shortcomings. I blame them.
[QUOTE=polarbear.;48264328]I'm all for legalization of pot, but people need to stop acting under the impression that it's harmless. Sure, it's one of the safest recreational drugs out there, but it's still a psychoactive substance and it is very possible for addiction to become an issue. As with most other classes of drugs, (such as opiates, like the hydrocodone you just mentioned) the physical damage isn't very prevalent, but your mental health is at risk. Even though it's "just weed", you're still taking in a substance that essentially boosts the happy levels in your brain. For a lot of people, constant use is not exactly a good idea if you're planning on keeping a healthy mental state. Sad to see how anti-drug programs scare kids from doing drugs by telling them about the (exaggerated) physical effects like "Smoking meth/crack will destroy your teeth", when the real danger with taking drugs is risk of mental health and the reality of addiction. If marijuana is to be legalized for recreational use, I really hope there will be more of an emphasis on this. [sp]then again knowing the state of mental health care in places like north america, there probably won't be shit[/sp][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive[/url] Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine and has exactly the same withdrawal period and symptoms as caffeine. The research has been in on this for quite some time. I agree that the results are surprising, I would have assumed, given the stated psychoactive nature, that the consequences would be more severe, but the stuff is about as close to harmless as any drug can get. I mean come on, it is a mood improving drug with moderate analgesic effects that reduces nausea and improves appetite. That is a wonder drug for post op recovery. That addresses a significant percentage of the issues patients face after surgery. Getting patients to eat is extremely hard, but can dramatically improve recovery rates.
[QUOTE=QuinnithXD;48265695]Ignoring the fact while it was still legal to grow hemp paper and hemp cloth was much cheaper than paying for other types of paper/cloth.[/QUOTE] Should I once again point out that this has [b]fucking nothing[/b] to do with marijuana since marijuana isn't hemp
[QUOTE=GunFox;48266035][url]http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive[/url] Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine and has exactly the same withdrawal period and symptoms as caffeine. The research has been in on this for quite some time. I agree that the results are surprising, I would have assumed, given the stated psychoactive nature, that the consequences would be more severe, but the stuff is about as close to harmless as any drug can get. I mean come on, it is a mood improving drug with moderate analgesic effects that reduces nausea and improves appetite. That is a wonder drug for post op recovery. That addresses a significant percentage of the issues patients face after surgery. Getting patients to eat is extremely hard, but can dramatically improve recovery rates.[/QUOTE] It might be useful to patients but no one seems to remember that it's definitely not good for your lungs. Ideally it should be administered in a way that doesn't cause unnecessary harm (which can be done). The one thing that annoys me is stoners who think everyone and their mom can just smoke a joint and have every issue solved, that's not the case at all. Proper administration is required like with any drug. To add to that, it stinks like shit. Personally I would prefer that all stinky disruptive methods of taking substances be illegal, I couldn't care less what people do with them recreationally as long as it's out of my way.
[QUOTE=jesse1412;48266490]It might be useful to patients but no one seems to remember that it's definitely not good for your lungs. Ideally it should be administered in a way that doesn't cause unnecessary harm (which can be done). The one thing that annoys me is stoners who think everyone and their mom can just smoke a joint and have every issue solved, that's not the case at all. Proper administration is required like with any drug. To add to that,[B] it stinks like shit.[/B] Personally I would prefer that all stinky disruptive methods of taking substances be illegal, I couldn't care less what people do with them recreationally as long as it's out of my way.[/QUOTE] I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I'd argue with that. Anyway, just apply the same rules as smoking?
[QUOTE=jesse1412;48266490]Personally I would prefer that all stinky disruptive methods of taking substances be [B]illegal[/B], I couldn't care less what people do with them recreationally as long [B]as it's out of my way[/B].[/QUOTE] nice job
Spoilers: In places like Cali consumption in public (including vehicles) is banned. We hook people up for it all the time out here, because the local slime think pot cards mean "Free pass to trespass and smoke pot wherever I want." It actually makes my job immensely easier since I can arrest people on the spot for smoking dope, whereas trespass laws require me to jump through hoops first.
[QUOTE=Sonador;48266931]Spoilers: In places like Cali consumption in public (including vehicles) is banned. We hook people up for it all the time out here, because the local slime think pot cards mean "Free pass to trespass and smoke pot wherever I want." It actually makes my job immensely easier since I can arrest people on the spot for smoking dope, whereas trespass laws require me to jump through hoops first.[/QUOTE] Yeah but doesn't it kind of make you a dick to just arrest people who are minding their own business, not causing a danger to others, and smoking on their own time?
[QUOTE=geel9;48266950]Yeah but doesn't it kind of make you a dick to just arrest people who are minding their own business, not causing a danger to others, and smoking on their own time?[/QUOTE] I mean, if a person lives there and isn't causing a nuisance, the worst I do is stop and card them if I'm getting complaints. When hood rats from the local trailer park dip into our garage areas and smoke dope with no lawful business on our property, especially while we're having a rash of break-ins, it's a whole different story. Even in that case, though, I'd rather it go as a simple stop, ID, and escort off the property, which is what happens when they're cooperative about it. Most of the time they don't though, talk mad shit and refuse to leave, so into cuffs they go. I give leeway, too, it's 100% illegal for you to smoke pot on a balcony or patio in a multi-family complex, but if they're minding their own business on their own patio and not being turds, I don't even report it.
[QUOTE=QuinnithXD;48265695]Ignoring the fact while it was still legal to grow hemp paper and hemp cloth was much cheaper than paying for other types of paper/cloth.[/QUOTE] no it wasn't lol hemp production went into terminal decline decades before the first legal restrictions came into being its a costly and inferior product
[QUOTE=jesse1412;48266490]It might be useful to patients but no one seems to remember that it's definitely not good for your lungs. Ideally it should be administered in a way that doesn't cause unnecessary harm (which can be done). The one thing that annoys me is stoners who think everyone and their mom can just smoke a joint and have every issue solved, that's not the case at all. Proper administration is required like with any drug. To add to that, it stinks like shit. Personally I would prefer that all stinky disruptive methods of taking substances be illegal, I couldn't care less what people do with them recreationally as long as it's out of my way.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://starcityplaza.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/medical-marijuana-peanut-butter-cookie.jpg[/IMG] Eating the marijuana is one way to do it without any unpleasant smell.
I have been struggling with depression for over 6 years now. I started smoking weed few years back when I was at my worst and had multiple suicide attempts. Weed didn't cure my depression but it did a lot more than 3 different medications with tons of side effects from removing my appetite to sweating 24/7 and being unable to sleep. Smoking weed made me appreciate life again, suddenly all that stress and depression I had been carrying for years was gone. I felt like a new person who had all the doors open and thought "hey, things aren't even that bad.. why am I depressed in the first place?" Everything felt new and exciting again, I got my appetite back, became more social and felt comfortable around people again. I have talked hours with few doctors and psychiatrists about my weed smoking and at the beginning they were all just saying it makes my depression worse and I should have these 2 other medications instead. Ever since I discovered weed I haven't had a single suicide attempt. After few months my personal doctor just said something among the lines "well moderate use might be fine" There are times when the depression gets worse.. especially if you smoke over 2 grams everyday for 6 months and then suddenly quit. I was sweating and shivering for about 2 days but overall it just felt like really mild fewer. The depression was pretty bad at that point, I didn't want to see anybody or do anything at all but after 2-3 days I could manage again. I was unemployed for years but now I have had job for 6 months and things are looking better. I'm still pretty depressed from time to time but its manageable these days, can't think about suicide because I want to smoke more in the future. To me cannabis is a miracle plant, I can honestly say that I wouldn't have made it through last few years without it. Most negative effects I have noticed are cause by it being illegal. I have had to deal with some people I really don't want to be associated with and have been offered a lot different drugs too. I also have to be worrying all the time if I'm gonna get busted and lose my job, I never smoke before or during work, But if they do drug test after some weekend.. well that's my life down the drain then. Often makes me think why even have a job if I can't spend my money on things that make me happy and I do them in my own apartment during the weekend without anybody even knowing about it.
The smell also varies between strains. Some are stronger and more pungent. Others are nice smelling and blend in with the surroundings. Either way, I don't think there should be any regulation against weed. It should be 100% legal for all those over 18 (if you can die in a fucking war you should be able to smoke pot), and allow private/public businesses choose whether they want to ban it on premises or not. I think the whole banning it in public thing is bullshit. Maybe let the states choose their own taxes but that'd be the extant of it.
inject weed directly into my bone
[QUOTE=Tasm;48264396]I'm saying you can't back up your statement.[/QUOTE] He's backing up his statement with anecdotal which isn't amazing, but you're backing up yours with nothing but ignorance, which is far worse.
Honestly, the worst thing about pot is stoner culture. And by god is that fucking dreadful. Legalize it and deal it the same as cigs. You smoke that shit [U]outside or in designated smoking areas[/U]. It smells like shit and second hand smoke can give you cancer just the same. Beyond that the smell makes me personally feel very ill.
[QUOTE=Paramud;48261886]This isn't some huge amazing thing. They've discovered that a specific compound in marijuana, [b]used alone[/b], shows a notable, [b]not extreme[/b], improvement for recovering broken bones. In rats.[/QUOTE] It's a pretty huge amazing thing to discover. The compound is an ingredient in the plant so why would it have to be used alone? Also, even if it isn't extreme, it's still notable enough to be a nice step forward for medicinal science. [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;48262635]Ah yes, a plant with below-average medicinal capabilities and little to no industrial use, so much better than cinchona, which'll cure malaria, or aloe vera for burns, or astragalus for a better immune system, or [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plants_used_in_herbalism]any of the hundreds of other plants that have significant medicinal properties[/url]. Or potatoes, the lifeblood of the Irish. But hey it'll get you high so fuck it 420 420 420 smoke weed[/QUOTE] It can still be mircale-plantish enough to stand shoulder to shoulder with all those other plants. You think Aloe Vera can be equal to cinchona and be amongst that list because it relieves burns compared to a drug that cures malaria, but marijuana can't be amongst them because it doesn't cure malaria as well? The only thing that makes it bad is the unneeded social stigma that you are indulging. [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;48263060] Additionally, the economic impact of legalization is usually widely overstated on the assumption that loads of farmers are going to switch to a crop which offers poor profit margins. Hemp (not Marijuana) itself is largely unprofitable for most farmers in the first world.[/QUOTE] Who said that farmers would be switching their crops?? Nobody does that wth. Making it legal to farm will generate NEW FARMS, not make current ones stop producing food. This post is too much for me. [editline]22nd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;48264196]Ignoring the fact that hemp cloth is both inferior and more costly than modern alternatives, hemp isn't marijuana. As well, you'll notice I never argued about legalization. If you want to smoke weed, whatever. Go ahead. Not my problem. But don't fucking tout it as a miracle plant that cures everything, because it isn't.[/QUOTE] Hemp is male marijuana plants, you get hemp from the same seeds, a large farm isn't going to have one without the other.
[QUOTE=draugur;48268237]Honestly, the worst thing about pot is stoner culture. And by god is that fucking dreadful. Legalize it and deal it the same as cigs. You smoke that shit [U]outside or in designated smoking areas[/U]. It smells like shit and second hand smoke can give you cancer just the same. Beyond that the smell makes me personally feel very ill.[/QUOTE] Yeah, well that's just, like... your opinion, man
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48268242]Who said that farmers would be switching their crops?? Nobody does that wth. Making it legal to farm will generate NEW FARMS, not make current ones stop producing food. This post is too much for me.[/QUOTE] I apologize if a basic understanding of economics is too much that it can overwhelm the senses, but I'll try to break this down into something more easily understandable. Hemp requires a rich and nutritious soil, which means that it competes with the most profitable crops. You can't plant it in poor rocky soils, or land best used for pasture. It needs top quality land, meaning it competes with crops such as high-yielding wheat. This means that you need to make sure the crop is profitable. Unfortunately demand for hemp is extremely low, and existing markets (such as natural foodstores or hemp paper) are already incredibly saturated. What this means is that nobody will buy much more hemp than is currently produced (if at all), and consequently there will be no conversion or expansion of land to produce more hemp. It's a mediocre crop that's barely used anymore.
[QUOTE=archangel125;48261644]The humble potato has few medicinal applications if any, and is a nightmare for people.. ..trying to lower cholesterol.[/QUOTE] Why is this? Potatoes have [b][i]0[/i][/b] cholesterol.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48268636]I apologize if a basic understanding of economics is too much that it can overwhelm the senses, but I'll try to break this down into something more easily understandable. Hemp requires a rich and nutritious soil, which means that it competes with the most profitable crops. You can't plant it in poor rocky soils, or land best used for pasture. It needs top quality land, meaning it competes with crops such as high-yielding wheat. This means that you need to make sure the crop is profitable. Unfortunately demand for hemp is extremely low, and existing markets (such as natural foodstores or hemp paper) are already incredibly saturated. What this means is that nobody will buy much more hemp than is currently produced (if at all), and consequently there will be no conversion or expansion of land to produce more hemp. It's a mediocre crop that's barely used anymore.[/QUOTE] You don't need super soil for marijuana, and especially not the male plants (hemp), they don't require near as much energy. Anyway, I was talking about farms for marijuana for the use of the female plants. A wheat farmer isn't going to become a weed farmer just because you can grow it now. Current weed farmers will be able to legally expand their own harvests, and many other entrepreneurs will jump in on it too, but not already existing farmers that are happy dealing with the crops they know and make money from.
[QUOTE=Sonador;48266964]I mean, if a person lives there and isn't causing a nuisance, the worst I do is stop and card them if I'm getting complaints. When hood rats from the local trailer park dip into our garage areas and smoke dope with no lawful business on our property, especially while we're having a rash of break-ins, it's a whole different story. Even in that case, though, I'd rather it go as a simple stop, ID, and escort off the property, which is what happens when they're cooperative about it. Most of the time they don't though, talk mad shit and refuse to leave, so into cuffs they go. I give leeway, too, it's 100% illegal for you to smoke pot on a balcony or patio in a multi-family complex, but if they're minding their own business on their own patio and not being turds, I don't even report it.[/QUOTE] Here in Vancouver, the even though it's illegal the police are OK with smoking in public so long as one is being courteous and mindful of smoking bylaws. I went for a walk last night, I smoked my small pipe in public and nobody batted an eye. At least 3 cop cars passed me and did not even say a word as I was being respectful.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48269453]You don't need super soil for marijuana, and especially not the male plants (hemp), they don't require near as much energy.[/quote] If you want high yields and good quality hemp then sorry yes you do. If you grow it in shit land then you will get a poor yield and shit hemp. [quote]Anyway, I was talking about farms for marijuana for the use of the female plants. A wheat farmer isn't going to become a weed farmer just because you can grow it now. Current weed farmers will be able to legally expand their own harvests, and many other entrepreneurs will jump in on it too, but not already existing farmers that are happy dealing with the crops they know and make money from.[/QUOTE] Most farmers won't derive much benefit because of the fact that hemp is already legal to produce in many countries and the market for it is heavily saturated. Even hemp farmers won't expand production much (if at all).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48269601]If you want high yields and good quality hemp then sorry yes you do. If you grow it in shit land then you will get a poor yield and shit hemp. Most farmers won't derive much benefit because of the fact that hemp is already legal to produce in many countries and the market for it is heavily saturated. Even hemp farmers won't expand production much (if at all).[/QUOTE] Female plants aren't hemp. Also the more nutrient rich a soil is the more energy there is to be utilize, that's a given, bravo botany 101. The soil doesn't have to be really nutrient rich to grow weed though, it's very easy.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48269611]Female plants aren't hemp.[/quote] I've been talking about hemp in all of my posts. [quote]Also the more nutrient rich a soil is the more energy there is to be utilize, that's a given, bravo botany 101. The soil doesn't have to be really nutrient rich to grow weed though, it's very easy.[/QUOTE] Except if you want to grow it and make money from it, it needs to be economical. You can grow wheat and hemp in a lot of kinds of soil, but there are a few limited soils which need to be a high quality one rich with nutrients if you want to make money off of it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48269741]I've been talking about hemp in all of my posts. Except if you want to grow it and make money from it, it needs to be economical. You can grow wheat and hemp in a lot of kinds of soil, but there are a few limited soils which need to be a high quality one rich with nutrients if you want to make money off of it.[/QUOTE] This thread isn't about hemp. I'm trying to tell you it's not nearly as expensive to grow weed as you are letting on.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;48269800]This thread isn't about hemp.[/quote] Unfortunately much of it has been. If you read the thread and the original posts and points being made since the first page, you would easily have understood this. [quote]I'm trying to tell you it's not nearly as expensive to grow weed as you are letting on.[/QUOTE] It is relatively expensive actually compared to many other crops. It's a big moneymaker however because people enjoy smoking it.
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