Half the reason why this is going to bomb so badly, Nobody can emulate the pure "Insanity" that Verhoeven brings to the big screen.
If they could just make the the last four films none canon and start off from before or after the original film that would be great.
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;51310130]It might be good if the director actually reads the book, the guy who made the first ST movie said after 2 chapters he refused to read the book because it "depressed him"
And then we got a shitty parody of a great work of science fiction.[/QUOTE]
nah
military meritocracy as a system of government is hot garbage
Verhoeven perfectly parodied the novel in the original. There's no director around right now that could match that tongue-in-cheek celebration/parody of the original. Such a great film, but people will fuck it up by making it too serious or way too overtly comedic.
About as excited for this as I was for Invasion. Meaning fuck off make something original.
[QUOTE=Jund;51310940]nah
military meritocracy as a system of government is hot garbage[/QUOTE]
pssh. total civilian over here am i right guys?
[QUOTE=Jund;51310940]nah
military meritocracy as a system of government is hot garbage[/QUOTE]
Well, that's kind of why its a story. Starship Troopers is a political commentary in the same way 1984 or Brave New World are.
Fuck the reboot, I want sequel of that
[video=youtube;tCfmKj5w7RI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfmKj5w7RI[/video]
[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;51310130]It might be good if the director actually reads the book, the guy who made the first ST movie said after 2 chapters he refused to read the book because it "depressed him"
And then we got a shitty parody of a great work of science fiction.[/QUOTE]
fuck off, Verhoeven's film is a fucking masterpiece.
I'm conflicted.
On one hand I wanna see the OG Power armored soldiers fucking shit up and dying horribly.
On the other hand, I'm from Beunos Aires and and I say we kill'em all!
[QUOTE=Jund;51310940]nah
military meritocracy as a system of government is hot garbage[/QUOTE]
that doesn't mean it's not an interesting subject for a science fiction story
One really has to get in the mindset of post WW2 USA to get why Heinlein wrote ST, it's a love letter written to the infantry and all the soldiers who fought.
And yeah he had some out there ideas on government and society, but that's what science fiction does, it explores "what if?".
like how star trek explores a more peaceful and scientific future, I really don't care for their society but I really fucking love the stories and concepts.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;51311034]fuck off, Verhoeven's film is a fucking masterpiece.[/QUOTE]
And don't get me wrong, it's a great action film, but it has next to nothing to do with the book.
If it was just called "Meatheads in SPAAACE" I'd love it, but it goes out of it's way to shit on the book, the book that is more about a soldier's life in WW2 projected onto a science fiction background,
there's very little action in the book, it's mostly just how shitty but rewarding and meaningful an infantryman's life can be and I have no doubt a sincere film could be made about the sacrifices, trials, and victories that come with being a soldier in any time period.
This will turn out the like the Robocop reboot
A forgettable action movie that missed the mark of the original completely
The only reason I might be ok with this is that it might finally wash away the nasty taste of Starship Troopers 2 and 3. I don't think they could recreate the charm of the first movie but a movie more based on the book might be good.
What I want is more Roughnecks: the Starship Troopers TV show.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-97DMohl6o[/media]
[QUOTE=maniacykt;51311011]Fuck the reboot, I want sequel of that
[video=youtube;tCfmKj5w7RI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfmKj5w7RI[/video][/QUOTE]
Best part was when they re-used the Klendathu invasion music from the first movie, as Rico is dropping in.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QND6Q044Crk[/media]
hmm will there be Titans ??
The original really was in a league of its own. Like one of those so-bad-it's-good deals. I'll be honest, i'm imagining Bryan Cranston playing Ironside's character and feel a little excited. Not sure if that's who he will play but it feels right.
[QUOTE=Worstcase;51310964]Well, that's kind of why its a story. Starship Troopers is a political commentary in the same way 1984 or Brave New World are.[/QUOTE]
The Starship Troopers book actually approved of the society it portrayed, 1984 and Brave New World abhorred it.
Wasn't this announced like a year ago?
No Verhoeven? No Basil? (yeah I know, rest in peace, sadface). No one wants this, piss off.
Starship Troopers is one of my favourite movies ever, there's a deeper layer of political and warmongering satire that goes right over most people's heads... That's a certain lightning in a bottle thing that I can't see occurring again. Robocop, Total Recall, all those classic Verhoeven films with their hard industrial music scores and satire so well hidden in plain sight, love it. I bet you anthing they make this movie and they shoehorn in all this shitty painfully obvious commentary on war and hero worship all like "Hey look at what we did remember this yeah we did this too huh aren't we cool?".
Anyway I'm ranting, I'm woefully nostalgic and this is yet another case of rebooting a beloved movie or franchise that just doesn't bloody well need it. Just... make a sequel. Don't reboot. At least if they make a shit sequel (again, AGAIN) we can just go "Yeah that was shit, at least the original is still safe". Ahh well.
[URL]http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/11/-em-starship-troopers-em-one-of-the-most-misunderstood-movies-ever/281236/[/URL]
Cool article about the original I thought. Puts into words better than what I can right now at least anyway.
Starship Troopers is one of the best cult movies of all time. But there's a reason why it's considered one of the best cult movies of all time.
It has heart and soul which a lot of movies lack and the new remake won't be able to recreate that aspect.
Can we reboot our universe into one where people don't just reboot movies all the fucking time.
[QUOTE=madmanmad;51312034]Can we reboot our universe into one where people don't just reboot movies all the fucking time.[/QUOTE]
that was only in the berenstain universe. it's too late now that we've merged
If it's faithful to the book I'm pumped af. I loved the book and genuinely liked the first movie, but it's a full philosophical 180 from one to the other.
Starship Troopers is one of my favorite movies. But I come at it knowing it basically mocks the concepts in the book rather than portrays them as the book does, but it does so intentionally, not because it's a poorly made movie. It's not going to be much of an action flick if they go 1:1 with the book, but it should be pretty good.
What REALLY makes the movie and sells it though is Paul Verhoeven's style (Think Robocop) and Basil Poledouris' music (Also of Robocop). Without these two I don't think the movie would be any where NEAR as good, or even work at all
This scene and this music is just orgasmic fun
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52WoFoZnDa0[/media]
But the original is a masterpiece, its cheesiness is unparalleled by any other film.
The original Robocop, Starship Troopers, and Total Recall are classics because they had almost whimsical plots with unrealistic characters but still tried to actually send a message. This made it so that fans could watch it for the glorious meat-and-cheese that is Verhoeven's action movie signature, [I]or[/I] they could watch it for the discussions of how the settings of these movies could work.
The reboots abandon the gore and the cheese, and put the "message" forth with no sense of subtlety. Then they layer it with token references to the [I]actually good[/I] movies they're aping (remember the triple-breasted whore from Total Recall? We didn't bother to actually include the rest of the mutant subplot, but [I]here she is![/I]) and a desperate attempt to be taken seriously with "realistic" scenarios and environments, and the end result is a product that's worse than schlock.
Do you want to know more!?
HELL NO!
This is one if those movies where I've been waiting for it to be made closer to the book. The original is great it
In its satire and what not, but when I read the book it really seemed like it was supposed to be a much darker gritty thing. That's what I'd like to see.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;51310258]Starship Troopers is a plotless, characterless manifesto on military doctrine and political theory and would be an unwatchable mess if it were accurately adapted to the screen. And even if that weren't true, the film industry would never do it because the only reason they're reviving the property is nostalgia for the cheeseball 90s movie.[/QUOTE]
I saw some of that in the book too but to me it was more of a coming of age story of a guy realizing what kind of man he is and wants to be which coincidentally, is also Rico's character development in the movie.
The only way I can see them making it a serious movie without being straight up military propaganda is if they make it a "war is hell" type movie that shows the military really isn't for everyone instead of the military being for the few, the proud, the etc
Verhooven's starship troopers was never meant to be like the book.
It has basically nothing to do with the book, but it's a great movie on its own.
Now the question is if they're remaking his movie, or the book
[QUOTE=plunger435;51311725]The Starship Troopers book actually approved of the society it portrayed, 1984 and Brave New World abhorred it.[/QUOTE]
The society depicted in Starship Troopers isn't on the same level as 1984 or Brave New World. It's not a starry-eyed utopic Mary Sue universe, nor is it a cautionary dystopia either.
It's a depiction of a different society operating under different rules, and it's not even fascist like is frequently claimed- it's a system where service to society earns suffrage, not simply age, and the book explores the consequences of a society in which the right to political influence is based on a very different system from traditional democracy. It's very positive towards military service (and [I]if anything[/I] could be called military propaganda, as Heinlein was [I]very[/I] pro-military), but that doesn't make it inherently fascist, and there have been [I]many[/I] historical examples of democracy that have put restrictions on the right to vote.
The movie takes the basic premise, exaggerates it, throws in influence from Triumph of the Will, and boots it into full-on parody of fascism as an ideology. It's a great movie and great satire, but it's not fundamentally a satire of the book itself. The book spends a lot of time talking about the role of the military in society and the necessity of force, not waxing poetic about how great everything would be if everyone belonged to the state, and IIRC it even points out some of the weaknesses of its system, such as the inherently conservative nature of a society in which only the people who work within the system are given a political or educational voice.
I think an [URL="http://io9.gizmodo.com/5439145/starship-troopers-is-perfect--and-therein-lies-the-problem"]author on Gizmodo[/URL] did a good job of summarizing the book:
[quote]I think it's important to remember that [I]Starship Troopers[/I] was supposed to have been the last of Heinlein's "juveniles" — his novels aimed at young readers — and to take it with a grain of salt, as such. It is thought-provoking, but it's not especially complex, and it's not supposed to be. It's putting an idea out there, and offering it up for discussion and expansion upon. And more to the point, I think it's important to remember that the book can also be read, as [URL="http://io9.com/comment/17556310"]the good Dr Lizardo mentioned in the comments of our last installment[/URL], as Heinlein "preaching his usual core values of self-reliance, teamwork (not an oxymoron to pair it with self-reliance), accountability, personal freedom and the golden rule rather than any specific political agenda." It is a tract, but it's not necessarily pushing what it appears to be.[/quote]
Heinlein was not one to shy away from using his books as platforms for preaching (especially his Libertarian ideology), and Starship Troopers is heavy on glorifying the military, but the 'Starship Troopers promotes fascism' argument is sophomoric at best.
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