Multiple marines, police officers wounded and killed in attack in Chattanooga, TN
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Fox News just showed live helicopter footage that showed two dead Marines on the ground at the base next to containers. Gj.
[QUOTE=mecaguy03;48223779]Incoming anti-gun people using this to further their position[/QUOTE]
i wish posts like this weren't allowed. are you trying to start up an argument?
A shame and concerning the amount of Americans(especially children) getting gunned down because of lack of security combined with bad gun laws and they are just labeled as unimportant small statistics and even joked about.
The more we marginalize people the more this shit is going to happen. We need a push for unity as a nation. A renewed sense of togetherness. Something to bring everyone together despite their differences. To break down the barriers of hatred and cultural opposition. A sense of duty and purpose as a nation. We need to dissolve the enclaves and get everyone interacting. We need to get people, especially young people, involved in something that promotes and strengthens the bonds of society. We need to overcome the gangs and cults and extremists that prey on youth by using their own methods against them to involve people in making for a better future. Not just for out nation, but for our world.
Fancy words aside, I'm not sure how exactly we can do that. My thoughts on the matter have been to fund more community centers and get people involved in team-building exercises. Whether that involves building and cultivating community gardens or running pen & paper RPGs and card game tournaments. It gives people something to do and encourages cooperation. Builds relationships. Takes in people that might otherwise be taken in by others and radicalized and gives them a feeling of brotherhood.
Terrorists are going to get guns regardless of the law. See: Charlie Hebdo. The US is already saturated with guns as it has been since the beginning. Strict gun laws would not have changed this.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;48224158]The more we marginalize people the more this shit is going to happen. We need a push for unity as a nation. A renewed sense of togetherness. Something to bring everyone together despite their differences. To break down the barriers of hatred and cultural opposition. A sense of duty and purpose as a nation. We need to dissolve the enclaves and get everyone interacting. We need to get people, especially young people, involved in something that promotes and strengthens the bonds of society. We need to overcome the gangs and cults and extremists that prey on youth by using their own methods against them to involve people in making for a better future. Not just for out nation, but for our world.
Fancy words aside, I'm not sure how exactly we can do that. My thoughts on the matter have been to fund more community centers and get people involved in team-building exercises. Whether that involves building and cultivating community gardens or running pen & paper RPGs and card game tournaments. It gives people something to do and encourages cooperation. Builds relationships. Takes in people that might otherwise be taken in by others and radicalized and gives them a feeling of brotherhood.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but this has to be one of the most outrageously naive posts I've ever read on Facepunch.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;48224158]The more we marginalize people the more this shit is going to happen. We need a push for unity as a nation. A renewed sense of togetherness. Something to bring everyone together despite their differences. To break down the barriers of hatred and cultural opposition. A sense of duty and purpose as a nation. We need to dissolve the enclaves and get everyone interacting. We need to get people, especially young people, involved in something that promotes and strengthens the bonds of society. We need to overcome the gangs and cults and extremists that prey on youth by using their own methods against them to involve people in making for a better future. Not just for out nation, but for our world.
Fancy words aside, I'm not sure how exactly we can do that. My thoughts on the matter have been to fund more community centers and get people involved in team-building exercises. Whether that involves building and cultivating community gardens or running pen & paper RPGs and card game tournaments. It gives people something to do and encourages cooperation. Builds relationships. Takes in people that might otherwise be taken in by others and radicalized and gives them a feeling of brotherhood.[/QUOTE]
If this is really an ISIS claimed attacked the whole "Marginalized Minority" means nothing in this instance. And even if it wasn't as much as you may not like it the reason we find ourselves unable to cope with them is their borderline-batshit-republican status conservative ideas. It isn't something that cooperation and kumbaya camp circles are going to fix.
[QUOTE=artDecor;48223933]I never understood this, why the hell wouldn't people be anti-gun at this point?[/QUOTE]
Because gun control doesn't prevent criminals/terrorists getting their hands on guns if they're determined enough? I'd wager that the weapon used in this shooting wasn't acquired legally.
Britain's probably a special case in terms of firearms law, it's a lot easier to regulate what's coming in and out of the country because of the fact it's an island. Of course some are going to get through, same with any prohibited goods, but I'd be willing to wager that gun crime in the UK would be quite a lot more common if it were part of the continent.
As for the US, I don't know of many examples of CCers/gun owners in general thwarting violent crimes, not at nearly a high enough rate to vindicate that whole side of the argument - not that it doesn't happen but a pistol on your hip is only as valuable as you are prepared to use it.
The one thing I will say this goes to show is how effective the NSA & friends are at preventing terrorism, especially when it was supposedly fucking tweeted about in advance.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;48224158]The more we marginalize people the more this shit is going to happen. We need a push for unity as a nation. A renewed sense of togetherness. Something to bring everyone together despite their differences. To break down the barriers of hatred and cultural opposition. A sense of duty and purpose as a nation. We need to dissolve the enclaves and get everyone interacting. We need to get people, especially young people, involved in something that promotes and strengthens the bonds of society. We need to overcome the gangs and cults and extremists that prey on youth by using their own methods against them to involve people in making for a better future. Not just for out nation, but for our world.
Fancy words aside, I'm not sure how exactly we can do that. My thoughts on the matter have been to fund more community centers and get people involved in team-building exercises. Whether that involves building and cultivating community gardens or running pen & paper RPGs and card game tournaments. It gives people something to do and encourages cooperation. Builds relationships. Takes in people that might otherwise be taken in by others and radicalized and gives them a feeling of brotherhood.[/QUOTE]
This will never happen, even with such measures.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48224145]A shame and concerning the amount of Americans(especially children) getting gunned down because of lack of security combined with bad gun laws and they are just labeled as unimportant small statistics and even joked about.[/QUOTE]
Don't you have to have a concealed carry permit in order to carry it legally in public? They give citizens mandatory training in order to receive one.
There's talk of an isis affiliated tweet mentioning Chattanooga just 15 minutes prior, but have yet to see said tweet.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48224002]Why?
Your constitution is malleable. Written like this as it was created in a time where the founding fathers could have never seen what today would be like. It was designed to change, you have the amendment system for a reason and have used it several times as is.
Why does this malleable piece of paper hold any real power? It's entirely possible to have things like freedom of speech and the right to silence without referring back to the constitution.[/QUOTE]
Because the Constitution is literally the source of [I]all[/I] laws in the United States. Without it, everything falls apart, legal-wise.
Also, while it is malleable to a point, the Bill of Rights (which includes the 2nd amendment) are to be "inalienable", meaning even if the constitution did not exist, they're still rights of men.
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[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;48223231]My money's on a sovereign citizen or similar.[/QUOTE]
I would imagine such an attack happen on a federal building of some kind, not a military recruitment center.
Aren't a lot of sovereign citizens ex-military, anyway?
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People are quick to judge.
[QUOTE=Leon;48223966]because restrictive gun laws dont work[/QUOTE]
And yet there are countless examples of countries with more restrictive gun laws and lesser gun related violence.
[QUOTE=Aide;48224335]And yet there are countless examples of countries with more restrictive gun laws and lesser gun related violence.[/QUOTE]
Do they have as many guns per capita as the US?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48224301]
I would imagine such an attack happen on a federal building of some kind, not a military recruitment center.
Aren't a lot of sovereign citizens ex-military, anyway?[/QUOTE]
They resent authority, but I'm unsure why they would target the military instead of cops and politicians.
[QUOTE=Vasili;48224319]-snip-
People are quick to judge.[/QUOTE]
It's no biggie, people do the same to minorities.
[QUOTE=OvB;48224362]Do they have as many guns per capita as the US?[/QUOTE]
Where there are more guns there is more gun related violence. It's such an obvious answer why even ask the question.
[QUOTE=Aide;48224335]And yet there are countless examples of countries with more restrictive gun laws and lesser gun related violence.[/QUOTE]
If the US were to suddenly ban ownership of all guns and all legal guns magically disappeared out of their owners' hands I doubt it'd help America's situation. Comparing US gun control laws to those of other countries is pointless seeing as they're so widespread already - Criminals who would have cause to use or carry guns already have them.
[QUOTE=Aide;48224390]Where there are more guns there is more gun related violence.[/QUOTE]
Obviously. Why are you worried about gun related violence as opposed to any other type of violence? Do you think that taking gun violence out of the greater body of violent crimes simply reduces violent crime by that same measure? That's not what happened in the UK or Australia.
[QUOTE=ryokenshin;48224255]If this is really an ISIS claimed attacked the whole "Marginalized Minority" means nothing in this instance. And even if it wasn't as much as you may not like it the reason we find ourselves unable to cope with them is their borderline-batshit-republican status conservative ideas. It isn't something that cooperation and kumbaya camp circles are going to fix.[/QUOTE]
How do you think groups like ISIS recruit people? I'm not saying kumbaya camp. I'm not saying some hippie ideal of living together in unity accepting all cultures. I'm saying we need to beat them in the battle for hearts and minds and phase them out. Take them on in the ideological battleground. Take away their pool of potential recruits via giving them something better to be involved with.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;48224394]If the US were to suddenly ban ownership of all guns and all legal guns magically disappeared out of their owners' hands I doubt it'd help America's situation. Comparing US gun control laws to those of other countries is pointless seeing as they're so widespread already - Criminals who would have cause to use or carry guns already have them.[/QUOTE]
Not ban. Gun ownership should be reduced.
[QUOTE=artDecor;48223933]I never understood this, why the hell wouldn't people be anti-gun at this point?[/QUOTE]
Because we already do enough knee jerking.
[QUOTE=Aide;48224390]Where there are more guns there is more gun related violence. It's such an obvious answer why even ask the question.[/QUOTE]
That's true, but it doesn't do much to deter overall violence. Look at Nigeria's homicide rate.
[QUOTE=Explosions;48224402]Obviously. Why are you worried about gun related violence as opposed to any other type of violence? Do you think that taking gun violence out of the greater body of violent crimes simply reduces violent crime by that same measure? That's not what happened in the UK or Australia.[/QUOTE]
Im worried about gun violence for fucks sakes because of this article.
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People are quick to judge.[/QUOTE]
Why would a white person shoot at a recruitment center, that's not very good logic.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;48224412]How do you think groups like ISIS recruit people? I'm not saying kumbaya camp. I'm not saying some hippie ideal of living together in unity accepting all cultures. I'm saying we need to beat them in the battle for hearts and minds and phase them out. Take them on in the ideological battleground. Take away their pool of potential recruits via giving them something better to be involved with.[/QUOTE]
Then we need to make people stop putting stock in medieval books and manuscripts.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;48224429]That's true, but it doesn't do much to deter overall violence. Look at Nigeria's homicide rate.[/QUOTE]
Nigeria has bad social and economic policies.
[QUOTE=Vasili;48224319][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11648828/Misc/shooterwhite.jpg[/img]
People are quick to judge.[/QUOTE]
So many eggs on faces, that you could make a few dozen of omelettes out of it.
[QUOTE=Aide;48224415]Not ban. Gun ownership should be reduced.[/QUOTE]
How are you going to do that without taking them away from responsible owners
This is not a helpful statement because the vast majority of gun owners are not going out and shooting people.
[QUOTE=Aide;48224415]Not ban. Gun ownership should be reduced.[/QUOTE]
It feels kind of redundant since they're heavily regulated to begin with. Firearms are pretty expensive and require a mandatory background check from retailers. You also have to undergo training in order to receive a license or permit to carry it in public.
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