Israel lobbies foreign powers to cut International Criminal Court funding
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[QUOTE=Svinnik;46960984]other than revolutionary tech, supporting gay and trans rights, and also pulling out of gaza, p much nothing[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that plenty of other countries got to the gay and trans rights support first. 'Pulling out of Gaza' does not compute. All we've seen is more settlement expansion. That's like saying "Hey, Hitler's great 'cause he didn't kill ALL the Jews." as for the tech, it's nothing special except where the military is concerned.
[QUOTE=Chrisholl;46962224]A citizen of the same nation that gives yours the only shred of power it has?[/QUOTE]
Does that make me wrong?
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=archangel125;46962246]I'm pretty sure that plenty of other countries got to the gay and trans rights support first. 'Pulling out of Gaza' does not compute. All we've seen is more settlement expansion. That's like saying "Hey, Hitler's great 'cause he didn't kill ALL the Jews." as for the tech, it's nothing special except where the military is concerned.[/QUOTE]
There are no settlements in Gaza. Just in the West Bank.
As for the tech, as an employee of Sandisk, the company that makes the flash memory in your fucking phone- you're welcome.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962232]Unless I'm missing something, I think you're misreading the article.
Israel isn't trying to pay or bribe anything away. Israel is lobbying nations like the USA to put pressure on the ICC to drop the investigation by cutting its funding.
That means the USA would, in theory, be threatening to cut the ICC's funding. So unless you think Israel is somehow paying off Obama with Jew gold to do this, it's more likely that the USA and its allies have an interest in blocking this kind of investigation because, again, they are also being investigated by the ICC and if Israel gets nailed would be next in line.[/QUOTE]
I'm meaning they're trying to use financial pressure to make the investigation go away. Which is what is happening.
[Quote]As for the tech, as an employee of Sandisk, the company that makes the flash memory in your fucking phone- you're welcome.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for letting me know which brand to boycott.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46962290]I'm meaning they're trying to use financial pressure to make the investigation go away. Which is what is happening.
Thanks for letting me know which brand to boycott.[/QUOTE]
No. You said "bribe" and "pay it away". Don't backpaddle.
Also, since I'm feeling extra helpful, a few more companies you may want to boycott:
Intel (Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, etc.), Microsoft (Kinect, for example), Qualcom, IMB, uh... pretty much [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinationals_with_research_and_development_centres_in_Israel"]all of them[/URL].
Oh, and while you're boycotting Sandisk, you may want to break open your mobile and pull out the embedded iNand.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962250]Does that make me wrong?
[editline]19th January 2015[/editline]
There are no settlements in Gaza. Just in the West Bank.
As for the tech, as an employee of Sandisk, the company that makes the flash memory in your fucking phone- you're welcome.[/QUOTE]
yeah man i forgot sandisk was founded in israel
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962368]No. You said "bribe" and "pay it away". Don't backpaddle.
Also, since I'm feeling extra helpful, a few more companies you may want to boycott:
Intel (Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, etc.), Microsoft (Kinect, for example), Qualcom, IMB, uh... pretty much [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinationals_with_research_and_development_centres_in_Israel"]all of them[/URL].
Oh, and while you're boycotting Sandisk, you may want to break open your mobile and pull out the embedded iNand.[/QUOTE]
Financial pressure is financial pressure, does it matter much how its worded? You're not suggesting financial blackmail is OK just because its loss of money rather than gain?
Oh and my phone storage is from Toshiba.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46962425]Financial pressure is financial pressure, does it matter much how its worded? You're not suggesting financial blackmail is OK just because its loss of money rather than gain?
Oh and my phone storage is from Toshiba.[/QUOTE]
Yeah yeah, you were totally not making completely false slightly antisemitic insinuations.
Just so you know, Sandisk and Toshiba are partners and share fabrication facilities.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962250]
As for the tech, as an employee of Sandisk, the company that makes the flash memory in your fucking phone- you're welcome.[/QUOTE]
Quick everybody, say you're welcome to Nazi Germany for supporting Hugo Boss, premier fashion designer, with the contract for SS Uniforms.
Quick everybody, say you're welcome to the Soviet Union for supporting Kalashnikov Arms, world-renowed arms company, who designed the AK-47.
Quick everybody, say you're welcome to China, for producing the technological marvels we rely on today.
It's good to see that countries are proven by their business! :)
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962482]Yeah yeah, you were totally not making completely false slightly antisemitic insinuations.
Just so you know, Sandisk and Toshiba are partners and share fabrication facilities.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but when exactly did I say I hate Jews? I dislike israel's government because of its actions. That isn't the same as hating Jews.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;46962485]Quick everybody, say you're welcome to Nazi Germany for supporting Hugo Boss, premier fashion designer, with the contract for SS Uniforms.
Quick everybody, say you're welcome to the Soviet Union for supporting Kalashnikov Arms, world-renowed arms company, who designed the AK-47.
Quick everybody, say you're welcome to China, for producing the technological marvels we rely on today.
It's good to see that countries are proven by their business! :)[/QUOTE]
... Said a citizen of the world's largest exporter of arms.
Look, as much as I would love to do this all night its late and I'm tired and I'm probably not going to sleep too much because I have a baby with a cold.
Catch you all in the next Israel hate thread, ok?
[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46959637]Scumbunny come in, this is JIDF facepunch section!
the goyim are at it again, shut it down!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ScumBunny]Transmission received.[/QUOTE]
it's funny how so many people defend israel as "god's land" even though the leaders there are being total dicks atm
[editline]18th January 2015[/editline]
just because it's god's land (in their eyes) doesn't mean the people who inhabit it are infallible
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962152]...Said a citizen of a nation that invaded two countries and occupied them over a decade killing hundreds of thousands of people because less than 20 terrorists, most of them not from either of these countries, attacked you guys.
By the way, you know the ICC Is investigating the [URL="http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/15/is-the-icc-investigating-crimes-by-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan/"]US[/URL] and [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27397695"]UK[/URL] too, right?[/QUOTE]
If you would stop pulling the strawman and other logical infallicies, then maybe your argument might improve a bit. That post was completely irrelevant.
Also, I wasn't born in the US. I was born in the US, and I hold a citizenship in Italy and one for the US (which is only a few months old). Stop insulting others for being judgmental when you are doing it yourself, its hypocritical.
Remember people, just because you disagree with a nation's government doesn't mean you hate the people of that country.
[QUOTE=da space core;46963357]If you would stop pulling the strawman and other logical infallicies, then maybe your argument might improve a bit. That post was completely irrelevant.
Also, I wasn't born in the US. I was born in the US, and I hold a citizenship in Italy and one for the US (which is only a few months old). Stop insulting others for being judgmental when you are doing it yourself, its hypocritical.
Remember people, just because you disagree with a nation's government doesn't mean you hate the people of that country.[/QUOTE]
Except of course we were all replying to this:
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46960651]This is the reason why Israel's existence questionable. Has anything good come out of that country for the last decade? Legitimately curious[/QUOTE]
Point being, whenever another country does wrong its right to exist or its need to justify its existence never come into discussion.
The original fallacy of every Israel thread is that Israel gets special treatment. When Israel does wrong (and we do, constantly), or doesn't do enough right, people here immediately demand it cease to exist or bring out the nazi comparisons.
If you accept that other nations, your own nations, did and do as much wrong as Israel or in the case of some of you orders of magnitude [URL="https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/ten-thousand/"]more fucking wrong[/URL], yet only feel the bile rising when Israel comes up than I'm sorry, but [I]you're[/I] the hypocrite.
If this thread was only about Israel and the ICC I would have stayed the fuck out. I honestly don't have much to say about that. I think Israel has a right to defend itself, but I also know Israel did a lot of wrong in Gaza. If it comes to this, I guess Israel will have its day in court, and we'll see.
But are you people really that tunnel visioned that you believe what Israel did in Gaza is any worse than what the US and UK did in Iraq and Afghanistan, or that the US and UK aren't already using any means within their power to keep their own cases out of the ICC? I mean, the US is not a signatory to the ICC and has a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court#American_Service_Members_Protection_Act"]special law[/URL] specifically to protect its soldiers from the ICC. You know that, right?
Note that I'm not justifying what Israel did in Gaza, or saying it should be doing what it does to avoid the ICC. My point is not, as you pretend, that Israel should get a free pass because someone else does. I'm protesting your own hypocrisy, and in that Israel not being unique in its awfulness is the only argument I can legitimately make.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46964671]Except of course we were all replying to this:
Point being, whenever another country does wrong its right to exist or its need to justify its existence never come into discussion.
The original fallacy of every Israel thread is that Israel gets special treatment. When Israel does wrong (and we do, constantly), or doesn't do enough right, people here immediately demand it cease to exist or bring out the nazi comparisons.
If you accept that other nations, your own nations, did and do as much wrong as Israel or in the case of some of you orders of magnitude [URL="https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/ten-thousand/"]more fucking wrong[/URL], yet only feel the bile rising when Israel comes up than I'm sorry, but [I]you're[/I] the hypocrite.
If this thread was only about Israel and the ICC I would have stayed the fuck out. I honestly don't have much to say about that. I think Israel has a right to defend itself, but I also know Israel did a lot of wrong in Gaza. If it comes to this, I guess Israel will have its day in court, and we'll see.
But are you people really that tunnel visioned that you believe what Israel did in Gaza is any worse than what the US and UK did in Iraq and Afghanistan, or that the US and UK aren't already using any means within their power to keep their own cases out of the ICC? I mean, the US is not a signatory to the ICC and has a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court#American_Service_Members_Protection_Act"]special law[/URL] specifically to protect its soldiers from the ICC. You know that, right?
Note that I'm not justifying what Israel did in Gaza, or saying it should be doing what it does to avoid the ICC. My point is not, as you pretend, that Israel should get a free pass because someone else does. I'm protesting your own hypocrisy, and in that Israel not being unique in its awfulness is the only argument I can legitimately make.[/QUOTE]
"Why me? Everybody's doing it!"
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;46965724]"Why me? Everybody's doing it!"[/QUOTE]
If by "why me" you mean "why
[QUOTE]When Israel does wrong (and we do, constantly), or doesn't do enough right, [B]people here immediately demand it cease to exist or bring out the nazi comparisons[/B].[/QUOTE]"
Than yes. That was my point. Thank you.
Hey scumbunny heres some news for you.
If you take an accusatory stance in an argument and act like a douche then any chance of you swaying opinion or "educating" people ceases to exist.
Accusing people of antisemitism because they dislike the israeli government is akin to hating all catholics because the pope said something stupid.
This is incredible. Imagine committing a crime, then telling the police you want to handle the investigation into yourself. Then, when they call you on your bullshit, you contact your friends at city hall to have them raid the police retirement fund.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;46968466]Hey scumbunny heres some news for you.
If you take an accusatory stance in an argument and act like a douche then any chance of you swaying opinion or "educating" people ceases to exist.
Accusing people of antisemitism because they dislike the israeli government is akin to hating all catholics because the pope said something stupid.[/QUOTE]
I have been douchier than usual in this thread.
I should probably stop posting in here until I get some sleep.
Baby with a cold, etc.
This sounds like an onion article, amazing! Always love when the world turns into a parody of itself. When news like this comes out I wonder how people rationalize the actions that are being taken to try to cut the funding.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;46958632]Nothing says "I'm the innocent moral victor" like perverting the course of justice by calling in muscle.[/QUOTE]
We all know the only reason the ICC is even remotely considering this, is because they have an anti-Israel bias.
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