• U.S. Conservative top donors ready to throw their support behind General James "Mad Dog" Mattis as t
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[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50103462]That's basically just showing how much of an effect people's voices have in their country, the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.[/QUOTE] What? The United States is a liberal democracy. Why are you even bringing up that stupid point anyways? Why are being a democracy and being a republic mutually exclusive to you?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50103279]uh yes it has, and it continues to be [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#Democracy_index_by_country_.282015.29[/url][/QUOTE] tbh lists like these often don't mean shit
[QUOTE=matt000024;50103661]tbh lists like these often don't mean shit[/QUOTE] "These lists don't mean shit because I say they don't" Also known as the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going 'lah lah lah I can't hear you' [editline]10 April 2016[/editline] Although it is fascinating how close the US is to being re-classified as a flawed democracy.
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;50103291]Trump is an outsider who has hijacked the Republican nomination process. Oh, and just happens to be so widely disliked by the general voting population that he's going to turn red states blue. That's why the GOP doesn't want Trump.[/QUOTE] It's an amazing thing to watch really. If Trump wins the nomination the GOP will either rip itself apart or take it up the bum knowing that they're set to fail. It's absolutely great.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;50103678]It's an amazing thing to watch really. If Trump wins the nomination the GOP will either rip itself apart or take it up the bum knowing that they're set to fail. It's absolutely great.[/QUOTE] I feel if we allow Trump/Mattis to happen we'll be able to summon Chesty Puller.
I'd love to see conservatives push this guy on an entire generation of Americans that still has the war on terror fresh in their memory and an entire generation of millennials that lived their entire lives through it. Good luck with that.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;50101044]Still better than Trump. Mattis wants to fight our enemies. Trump wants to fight our allies. Also, political experience isn't strictly necessary. Eisenhower never held political office before being elected, and he was one of the greatest presidents we've had - and a remarkably peaceful one, at that. (For a contradictory anectdote, Grant similarly went from military general to President, and is generally considered one of the worst - lack of experience has loose negative correlation with presidential quality). I would definitely want to hear more on his actual beliefs, policies and plans before I vote for him, but lack of experience should not be a deal-breaker, and lack of policies is understandable given that he's not currently running.[/QUOTE] Kasich is better than Trump in that he's more reasonable and open to compromise, and he's not a fucking populist. Cruz is better than Trump and Mattis both in that he has more experience than either one does. That's a terrible reason to want him to run. And Eisenhower had plenty of political experience before he ran and was elected president. At least, he had more than Mattis can boast about. In Germany after the war, he was our occupation zone's military governor and basically administered Southern Germany (all of Bavaria and Hesse, also part of Baden-Wurttemberg), and he was the one who set up food relief in the region and encouraged softer treatment of the German people so as not to alienate them. Then he served as the Army Chief of Staff and was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, he was the president of Columbia University as well (although he didn't do very well at it and actually used his position to enrich himself by building relations with everyone from the figures of Texas Oil, Standard Oil, and Continental Oil to General Foods and Coca-Cola). And then there was of course his involvement with NATO as its Supreme Commander. He underwent an extensive political education in the few years before the election of 1952, and it was sufficient enough to transform him into presidential material. Mattis is less like Eisenhower than he is a much more mild version of Douglas MacArthur; he's been strictly military-oriented in his life and has no political experience to his credit, nor has he undergone the kind of first-hand education which Eisenhower did before he was elected. We do not need him to run. Again, his popularity is banking off his memeish Marine Corps reputation and nothing more. There's no reason to vote for him when there's plenty of other candidates available, and this kind of consideration by conservatives just shows how desperate they're getting because of their inability to decisively produce a viable candidate above all the others.
We must summon him! He is America's only hope! [video]https://youtu.be/mqwGTseh8F0[/video] I'd be interesting to see what kind of president he'd make.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50103462]That's basically just showing how much of an effect people's voices have in their country, the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.[/QUOTE] oh for fucks sake you americans it's both, it's fucking both they are not mutually exclusive concepts i don't know if its because you have two political parties with those names (republicans and democrats) but america is literally both it is a democratic country as much as britain, italy, sweden, spain and switzerland it is a republic as much as france, germany, poland, and mexico the usa is literally one of the first countries people think of when you say "democracy"
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50103462]That's basically just showing how much of an effect people's voices have in their country, the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic[/URL]
[QUOTE=butre;50103192]trump has a history of questioning political leaders and every one of those fuckers has something or another they're hiding. trump being in a position of real power would leave a lot of crooked politicians exposed I think this is conjecture. all I know is that there's some kind of reason the GOP doesn't want their best chance in the running.[/QUOTE] yeah trump should get the everyday man rallied against the REAL issues, like pushing for someone's birth certificate (?????)
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50105113]yeah trump should get the everyday man rallied against the REAL issues, like pushing for someone's birth certificate (?????)[/QUOTE] He is saying this to pander to the crowd.
I'd much rather have him over the Republican candidates. Hell, we haven't had a war hero in office for a while.
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;50100866]Only people in the US would really know who General Mattis is[/QUOTE] this is THE first time I've head of this guy
While we are at it, why not the writer of House of Cards with Kevin Spacey as VP??
[QUOTE=Elspin;50101511]To be honest I'm kinda conflicted. Because this quote doesn't even sound like it's the same person who said this[/QUOTE] People change over time regardless of their age or whether they are conscious about it. I went from having very authoritarian beliefs to practically valuing my freedom over my life. A family member of mine went from being a downed man with a batshit insane wife to literally being this lady killer dude with an amazing career and he is in his 50s. These are likely quotes from different periods in time.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50105292]He is saying this to pander to the crowd.[/QUOTE] What Trump rhetoric isn't a pander to the crowd? That's beside the fact that Trump was a birther movement idiot loooong before he began running for president. [editline]10th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;50105916]I'd much rather have him over the Republican candidates. Hell, we haven't had a war hero in office for a while.[/QUOTE] How do war heroes make better politicians than non war heroes? You could consider John "a hundred years in Iraq" McCain a war hero and we all know where that would have led.
If George Wallace couldn't pull something like this off in the 1960s, I don't see how this guy could pull it off today.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50103462]That's basically just showing how much of an effect people's voices have in their country, the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.[/QUOTE] A republic is a kind of democracy...?
Why not we just have a democratic people's republic?
If Ted Cruz proposes having him as a VP I'll toss my Netflix at him.
Favorite Mattis quote "When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy"
[QUOTE=Sableye;50112647]If Ted Cruz proposes having him as a VP I'll toss my Netflix at him.[/QUOTE] :toxx:
[QUOTE=Kill001;50096951]Relevant [img]http://terminallance.com/wp-content/uploads/comics/2016-04-08-Strip_Election_2016_web.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Exactly what my brain snapped to after reading the title of this thread. It's nice to see others who know about Terminal Lance. It's a great comic, and the humor is great, especially when you can relate to most of it.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50115028]Favorite Mattis quote "When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy"[/QUOTE] Eisenhower would certainly be proud.
Reading about this guy and through this thread, the entirety of Starship Troopers (the book) went back through my head.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50117764]Reading about this guy and through this thread, the entirety of Starship Troopers (the book) went back through my head.[/QUOTE] He'd be a joke as a politician. If I lived in America, I would rather have Trump or even Cruz as the President. People here like to accuse Clinton of being a war hawk, but I'd rather her than someone who's entire career has only been in the military.
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