House Democrats look at taxing the rich for health care - Polidicks

Thanks, Nixon.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;15943448]As I've said many times before, that is like saying the Chinese style of education should be taken up by Europe and America, since it is clearly superior.[/QUOTE] Sounds good, the American educational system is piss poor ;) [editline]08:41PM[/editline] [QUOTE=RichardNixon;15943499]This is bollocks, the rich have worked for their money and deserve to spend it how they wish; by doing this these socialist hippie politicians are alienating those who own the means of production.[/QUOTE] As I said it worked elsewhere. The rich didn't leave the country.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15943447]I'd prefer that an equal percentage of everyone's income be used if everyone is going to have equal access to medical care.[/QUOTE] but that's simply not feasible. In order to make enough money, using a flat tax, to provide nationwide health care, the flat tax rate would have be higher than most poor families could handle

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;15943448]As I've said many times before, that is like saying the Chinese style of education should be taken up by Europe and America, since it is clearly superior.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't mind that a bit.

[QUOTE=RichardNixon;15943499]This is bollocks, the rich have worked for their money and deserve to spend it how they wish; by doing this these socialist hippie politicians are alienating those who own the means of production.[/QUOTE] Unless you're just being sarcastic How about the trust-fund babies who were born into this world with everything they wanted? They don't have to work a second in their lives to get what they want. They don't deserve the money they get from the hard work of their ancestors if they don't do anything to support what their ancestors created. They're only lucky to have been born into a rich family. Also, how much money is the tax going to be anyways? I highly doubt that it'll make a huge dent in their salaries.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15943646]but that's simply not feasible. In order to make enough money, using a flat tax, to provide nationwide health care, the flat tax rate would have be higher than most poor families could handle[/QUOTE] Then I say keep the system we have now. Taxing the rich more highly than the poor to support this is mighty unegalitarian for an attempt at a more egalitarian system.

democrats are going to ruin this country

[img]http://obamahood.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/robbinhood195.jpg[/img] Awesome. I love Obama.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15943447]I'd prefer that an equal percentage of everyone's income be used if everyone is going to have equal access to medical care.[/QUOTE] Net or gross?

[QUOTE=nono345;15943819]democrats are going to ruin this country[/QUOTE] Too bad its already ruined :v:

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15943811]Then I say keep the system we have now. Taxing the rich more highly than the poor to support this is mighty unegalitarian for an attempt at a more egalitarian system.[/QUOTE] But taxing the rich more hurts them less than stopping Tiny Tim from dying of cancer helps him The system we have now has left one out of 4 americans without medical care. Forget the free market, the free market is not more important that people are.

[QUOTE=markfu;15943783]Unless you're just being sarcastic How about the trust-fund babies who were born into this world with everything they wanted? They don't have to work a second in their lives to get what they want. They don't deserve the money they get from the hard work of their ancestors if they don't do anything to support what their ancestors created. They're only lucky to have been born into a rich family. Also, how much money is the tax going to be anyways? I highly doubt that it'll make a huge dent in their salaries.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind it's coming from a guy who got mad because he thought using personal pronouns meant you own people.

[QUOTE=lmaoboat;15943903]Keep in mind it's coming from a guy who got mad because he thought using personal pronouns meant you own people.[/QUOTE] keep in mind this post is from a guy who hurrrrrrrrr

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15943878]But taxing the rich more hurts them less than stopping Tiny Tim from dying of cancer helps him The system we have now has left one out of 4 americans without medical care. Forget the free market, the free market is not more important that people are.[/QUOTE] The rich do not, based solely on the fact that they are rich, have an obligation to help the poor. Either keep it such that everyone pays their way, or tax everyone equally. Just because a certain group has the capacity to pay for others' medical expenses doesn't mean they should be forced to be.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15944488]The rich do not, based solely on the fact that they are rich, have an obligation to help the poor. Either keep it such that everyone pays their way, or tax everyone equally. Just because a certain group has the capacity to pay for others' medical expenses doesn't mean they should be forced to be.[/QUOTE] I half way agree with this, cause this is in the sense the fairest way to do things, but when a country is in a health care crisis... I think that people with.. "expendable income," should have to step up. Especially years of paying LESS because they have so much shit that they write off taxes on. If you really think about it, middle class families have been getting shafted. If you don't think our health care system is broken to fuck, take a harder look. Even people with insurance have trouble getting claims. You can't have insurance companies that base their profit off of denying claims.

[QUOTE=markfu;15943783]Unless you're just being sarcastic How about the trust-fund babies who were born into this world with everything they wanted? They don't have to work a second in their lives to get what they want. They don't deserve the money they get from the hard work of their ancestors if they don't do anything to support what their ancestors created. They're only lucky to have been born into a rich family. Also, how much money is the tax going to be anyways? I highly doubt that it'll make a huge dent in their salaries.[/QUOTE] Lets say I make a hundred million dollars, intent on using it to better my offspring's lives. Would it be right to take a large chunk of that money from my children even though I worked hard to specifically give that money to them? [editline]07:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lmaoboat;15943903]Keep in mind it's coming from a guy who got mad because he thought using personal pronouns meant you own people.[/QUOTE] Coming from a slave owner.

Thing is though, pretty much all rich people money comes from the poor

[QUOTE=Penis Colada;15945428]Thing is though, pretty much all rich people money comes from the poor[/QUOTE] yeah it's obviously being stolen poor people get no good or services in return

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15944488]The rich do not, based solely on the fact that they are rich, have an obligation to help the poor. Either keep it such that everyone pays their way, or tax everyone equally. Just because a certain group has the capacity to pay for others' medical expenses doesn't mean they should be forced to be.[/QUOTE] This is true. And I think we could afford health care if we cut away all the corruption and bullshit spending.

[QUOTE=margerine_12;15941498]Be that as it may, it doesn't seem fair that the successful that spend thousands of dollars on education and work every day have to pay for the people who don't take opportunities to educate and support themselves.[/QUOTE] The problem with this is that most wealth only partly comes from the "education" and "work" you got and do. Most of it is due to how society works. Be it a high pay for a very high accountability (politicians, industry bosses etc.) or for giving up parts of your life(pop starts, movie stars, you get it) and other stuff. [editline]08:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=RichardNixon;15944710]Lets say I make a hundred million dollars, intent on using it to better my offspring's lives. Would it be right to take a large chunk of that money from my children even though I worked hard to specifically give that money to them? [/QUOTE] Yes. Firstly, the right way to rasie your children is teaching them how to support themselves, not giving all you have to them. Secondly, those millions come from taking a few dollars from the work of thousands of other people.

Would you rather do it the moral way, or the free-will way?

Pretty sure we can't afford this bullshit right now, given we've, what, tripled our debt in less than a year?

[QUOTE=Billiam;15945685]Would you rather do it the moral way, or the free-will way?[/QUOTE] Moral.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;15943878]But taxing the rich more hurts them less than stopping Tiny Tim from dying of cancer helps him The system we have now has left one out of 4 americans without medical care. Forget the free market, the free market is not more important that people are.[/QUOTE] I'll be the first to say Fuck Tiny Tim. [editline]04:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;15945909]Moral.[/QUOTE] And who gets to decide these morals. Given, you know, morality is subjective and free-will is absolute.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15945915]I'll be the first to say Fuck Tiny Tim. [editline]04:39PM[/editline] And who gets to decide these morals. Given, you know, morality is subjective and free-will is absolute.[/QUOTE] Society. As always. Also you ARE Tiny Tim if I remember your oathetic thread from GD correctly.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15945915]And who gets to decide these morals. Given, you know, morality is subjective and free-will is absolute.[/QUOTE] Meh, I guess helping people less-fortunate counts as right...

[QUOTE=Killuah;15945945]Society. As always.[/QUOTE] Yes because society always does so well when it imposes morality via legislation. Lest we forget the majority of people define their morality religiously. Oops. There goes separation of Church and State. Oh well. At least we cured Tiny Ti- oh wait he died because of incompetent care. [QUOTE=Killuah;15945945]Also you ARE Tiny Tim if I remember your oathetic thread from GD correctly.[/QUOTE] And? I don't recall asking for money from Donald Trump.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15945983]Yes because society always does so well when it imposes morality via legislation. [/QUOTE] It doesn't do to well, true. But free will in terms of deciding about other people doesn't do better.

[QUOTE=Killuah;15946011]It doesn't do to well, true. But free will in terms of deciding about other people doesn't do better.[/QUOTE] Uhh, where the fuck did you get that. You just related "free will" to "making decisions for others." What the fuck? If you think making decisions for others is bad, you've got no legs to stand on.

Good God, liberals are idiots. They want to take money away from the people who own the big, successful businesses, which hire most people. If you take that money away, they'll have to lay-off workers, and in this economy, its going to be a bitch for them to find a job, and if they don't, they'll just end up poor themselves, and the whole thing will repeat, a constant circle of lost money. And think about this, Why tax people for being successful, I mean did a poor man ever hire anyone? And doesn't that mean taxes will pay for health care for illegal immigrants and druggies, people who are poor who deserve it? Oh and by the way, wouldn't health care quality decrease, because why would the government pay the thousands of dollars per person in ERs every day, when they could just pay for the band-aid and water to clean the cut with, and say they paid for the "health care."