House Democrats look at taxing the rich for health care - Polidicks

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16145871]I said it was a big government.[/QUOTE] By last, I meant behind all the other shit that needs to be done. The president gets shit done, and we're not in a high risk military situation here. And I know, but as I said it wasn't simply a problem of big and small. Work on not oversimplifying complicated issues. [editline]12:07AM[/editline] [QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16145918]The only thing the president is to be in charge of is the military, as that is his constitutional obligation and responsiblity[/QUOTE] No, he should also be in charge of motivating people to get shit done. And communicating with the people. All that social shit that most politicians are horrible at.

with global communication at the palm of our hands now, motivation has become a import part in the presents role as figure head of the nation. Yet the president has not consitutional power or right to quote "get shit done". edit - unless its militarily involved

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146150]with global communication at the palm of our hands now, motivation has become a import part in the presents role as figure head of the nation. Yet the president has not consitutional power or right to quote "get shit done".[/QUOTE] There's no law that says people have to warn others who are unawares of an oncoming train. Does that mean nobody should? Of course it's not a constitutional obligation. You can't legislate being a good president.

[QUOTE=Hazrd24;16144785]Some "rich people" are actually small business owners just barely scrapping by. Small business owners give people jobs. Taxes are raised for the "rich," they can't handle it and have to close down. Jobs are lost and more people are poor[/QUOTE] if you make over 100,000 dollars you are not 'barely scrapping by' unless you're completely retarded, in which case your business probably isn't going to support you for long.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16145788]Bush's government was anything but small.[/QUOTE] In terms of regulation.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16146181]There's no law that says people have to warn others who are unawares of an oncoming train. Does that mean nobody should? Of course it's not a constitutional obligation. You can't legislate being a good president.[/QUOTE] A president stepping out of his bounds breaks the very essence of the constitution itself. Each branch has its own powers and responsibilities to separate powers. The separation and delegation of powers and responsibilities the main idea behind the constitution.

[QUOTE=Chippay;16146248]if you make over 100,000 dollars you are not 'barely scrapping by' unless you're completely retarded, in which case your business probably isn't going to support you for long.[/QUOTE] I have a friend who's parents own a small trucking company. They own several semi trucks, and they make well over $100,000 a year. But most of their money goes to truck maintenance, paying drivers. They have an office too. They're just scraping by because most of the money they make goes back into their company, and they're in a higher tax bracket.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146270]A president stepping out of his bounds breaks the very essence of the constitution itself. Each branch has its own powers and responsibilities to separate powers. The separation and delegation of powers and responsibilities the main idea behind the constitution.[/QUOTE] How the fuck is motivating people to do things stepping out of the bounds of being president? [editline]12:29AM[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16146292]I have a friend who's parents own a small trucking company. They own several semi trucks, and they make well over $100,000 a year. But most of their money goes to truck maintenance, paying drivers. They have an office too. They're just scraping by because most of the money they make goes back into their company, and they're in a higher tax bracket.[/QUOTE] Silly business owners, never use your own money. That's what investors are for.

[QUOTE=Chippay;16146248]if you make over 100,000 dollars you are not 'barely scrapping by' unless you're completely retarded, in which case your business probably isn't going to support you for long.[/QUOTE] 100,000 for small business income is nothing. 100,000 for the business owner, that is the idea behind capitalism. The ability to make money is the driving force behind the entrepreneurship that made the American economy strong (before the government regulated and taxed the hell out of it). Increasing the taxes on these people decrees entrepreneurship, hurt the economy, and really its being used to spread the wealth and make America into China.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16145864]No, Obama is continuing the actually important war. The one with the actual terrorists and actual threats. And that's because republicans are short sighted and irate.[/QUOTE] They do get irate a lot, but so do many Democrats. Short sighted? Democrats seem to hold that much better than Republicans, especially in the economics department with the Obama administration saying they didn't realize how bad the economy was going to be and how a good number of Republican bloggers and some politicians were predicting this situation. Republicans are stupid in their own regard in thinking they can win votes by imitating the Democrats (look at the results of the 2008 election.) Anyways, looking at an economic viewpoint, the rich does spend money on products that the average Joe makes in the factories and sells at the stores. If they can't buy the products because nearly all their money is going into taxes, average Joe loses his job and becomes even poorer. So in the end the rich gets poor and the poor gets poorer but nobody gets richer. The government cannot afford to spend more money plain and simple. $3 trillion deficit, the buck stops here, enough with the spending. Democrats don't provide us with solid numbers to show saving. One group suggested it would be about $700 per month per person. In reality the costs are over $2000 per person because you're also paying for all the support staff and customer service. There's also the illegal immigrant problem which does make up the bulk of current government health care spending. [u] Government health care can work![/u] However you have the hard-to-miss problem of illegals which would become a black hole for money. [url=http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/june_2009/americans_support_universal_health_coverage_but_not_if_it_covers_illegal_immigrants]And when 80% of U.S. voters oppose providing government health care coverage for illegal immigrants as part of the health care reform package that is working its way through Congress, there's a pretty solid answer right there. [/url] Its not like Congress ever listens to the people anyways.

[i]Social Security[/i] :smugdog:

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;16146406] The government cannot afford to spend more money plain and simple. $3 trillion deficit, the buck stops here, enough with the spending. Democrats don't provide us with solid numbers to show saving. One group suggested it would be about $700 per month per person. In reality the costs are over $2000 per person because you're also paying for all the support staff and customer service. There's also the illegal immigrant problem which does make up the bulk of current government health care spending. [u] Government health care can work![/u] However you have the hard-to-miss problem of illegals which would become a black hole for money. [url=http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/june_2009/americans_support_universal_health_coverage_but_not_if_it_covers_illegal_immigrants]And when 80% of U.S. voters oppose providing government health care coverage for illegal immigrants as part of the health care reform package that is working its way through Congress, there's a pretty solid answer right there. [/url] Its not like Congress ever listens to the people anyways.[/QUOTE] you were pretty quiet about all the spending going on over the last 8 years

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16146519]you were pretty quiet about all the spending going on over the last 8 years[/QUOTE] Bush's spending is the only thing I've seen Republicans and Democrats agree on. This does NOT justify the Democrats doing it themselves. Its comparable to you shooting somebody's best friend and they doing the same to you because "you did it so its ok for me to do it." Its childish behavior.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16146519]you were pretty quiet about all the spending going on over the last 8 years[/QUOTE] I would agree that we were quiet about the deficit, yet everyone was irate over the debt. It is quite funny that the democrats criticized the bush administration for the debt, when the debt was caused by the deficit created by the democrats in congress overspending. Funny how they blame the result on a person when they are the cause.

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;16146406] The government cannot afford to spend more money plain and simple. $3 trillion deficit, the buck stops here, enough with the spending. Democrats don't provide us with solid numbers to show saving. One group suggested it would be about $700 per month per person. In reality the costs are over $2000 per person because you're also paying for all the support staff and customer service. There's also the illegal immigrant problem which does make up the bulk of current government health care spending. [u] Government health care can work![/u] However you have the hard-to-miss problem of illegals which would become a black hole for money. [url=http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/june_2009/americans_support_universal_health_coverage_but_not_if_it_covers_illegal_immigrants]And when 80% of U.S. voters oppose providing government health care coverage for illegal immigrants as part of the health care reform package that is working its way through Congress, there's a pretty solid answer right there. [/url] Its not like Congress ever listens to the people anyways.[/QUOTE] cut the defense budget [editline]08:57PM[/editline] honestly

Yay another reason [i]not[/i] to be rich...

[QUOTE=Dank Dave;16146721]cut the defense budget [editline]08:57PM[/editline] honestly[/QUOTE] I find it humorous that Obama indeed cut back on defense spending with tension in the middle east growing and Korea with nukes aimed at Japan and the US. - Take money from entrepreneurs - Destroy the free market - Give money to wellfare leaches - Plan out spread the wealth - Decrease national security Anything else we need to add to the list of things that make Communism so great? Edit forgot - Devalue the dollar so much by overspending that its worth nothing and hyper-inflates the economy.

Reagan, limbaugh, really? What world do you live in? - Um - Oh god, not the free market! - Hahaha - Boo hoo - Cold war is over buddy. I don't exactly think we need to spend so much money on a conventional military (what the hell do we need all these carriers for) when our only enemy is unconventional and underground. Jesus neo cons are insane. Obama is a communist? Haha. If he was, he wouldn't have been voted in. Calling him a communist is just pathetic and childish.

I love how republicans put America 11 trillion dollars in debt by throwing money into a military quagmire w[I]hile giving tax-breaks to the rich[/I], and when democrats want to do something that actually benefits the country, the republicans are all up in arms about spending money.

[QUOTE=Conscript;16146841]Reagan, limbaugh, really? What world do you live in?[/QUOTE] The one that has been dead since about when FDR was president.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146882]The one that has been dead since about when FDR was president.[/QUOTE] I smell troll, you show up not even a few days ago, put a picture of Reagan in your avatar, and start spewing political shit everywhere. Why don't you fuck off?

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146817]I find it humorous that Obama indeed cut back on defense spending with tension in the middle east growing and Korea with nukes aimed at Japan and the US. - Take money from entrepreneurs - Destroy the free market - Give money to wellfare leaches - Plan out spread the wealth - Decrease national security Anything else we need to add to the list of things that make Communism so great? Edit forgot - Devalue the dollar so much by overspending that its worth nothing and hyper-inflates the economy.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Joseph_McCarthy.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146817].[/QUOTE] he's named limbaugh2012 and his avatar is reagan, he's either delusional or trying to troll all the wacky leftists

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;16146881]I love how republicans put America 11 trillion dollars in debt by throwing money into a military quagmire, and when democrats want to do something that actually benefits the country, the republicans are all up in arms about spending money.[/QUOTE] In proportion to what congress spends on the hundreds of social programs already in existence, the amount of military spending is quite small. Its more inline with the several billion range rather than the trillion's that the government spends.

I'm really confused. I thought we learned deregulation doesn't work a hundred years ago.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146882]The one that has been dead since about when FDR was president.[/QUOTE] niceeee

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146914]In proportion to what congress spends on the hundreds of social programs already in existence, the amount of military spending is quite small. Its more inline with the several billion range rather than the trillion's that the government spends.[/QUOTE] We all know that's a load of horsecrap. For instance, the US spent 65 billion on the F22. That's 65 billion billion dollars that has no purpose. None of the foes the US fights today even have the ability to find, let alone shoot down the current fleet of aircraft the US has. In the [I]worst case scenario[/I], every taxpayer in America would end up spending about 5,000 dollars on universal healthcare (to get it up and running). Currently the average yearly health insurance for every American family costs $10,728. So essentially, the average American family could be cutting the money they spend on health care by half spending taxes on universal health care instead of insurance. [B]After the first year[/B], you'd be spending even less. There is absolutely no reason to not have universal healthcare (unless you are a selfish prick without cause). Your point is invalid, fuck off.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;16146934]We all know that's a load of horsecrap.[/QUOTE] $515.4 billion is what the Department of Defense received for the 2009 budget. A small portion in comparison to the 4.3 trillion dollars the Budget allotted for. EDIT [QUOTE=Chippay;16146917]niceeee[/QUOTE] why thank you, I though a good crack America's first noticeably (and openly) socialist president would be humorous in this situation.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146984]$515.4 billion is what the Department of Defense received for the 2009 budget. A small portion in comparison to the 4.3 trillion dollars the Budget allotted for. [/QUOTE] Read the rest of my post, you degenerate. Even if you are a troll, you certainly are the spitting image of a stupid neocon. You find the weakest part of a sentence, and pick at it, while ignoring the rest; simply because you can't think of an answer to the valid points.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16146984]America's first noticeably (and openly) socialist president[/QUOTE] [img]http://weblogs.amny.com/news/local/tracker/blog/fdr1.jpg[/img]