House Democrats look at taxing the rich for health care - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Trotsky;16147650]People can't do a hell of a lot to big corporations, the government can, though. So IN an idealist market, the big business' will have a tight hand on them by the government.[/QUOTE] I just said that if corporations don't have people giving them money, they're going to fail. If everybody in America all of sudden hated McDonalds, and stopped eating there, McDonalds would run out of money. It's just unfortunate that this doesn't happen like it should. People don't have a choice of whether or not to pay taxes. If you don't, you get thrown in prison.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16147661]I never killed anyone either.[/QUOTE] So? They still have the power to execute you. Call you a terrorist, stick you on a military barge, convince a military tribunal of your guilt with no trial before your peers and blam, one in the head and you're dumped to sea. Even assuming they DON'T, you think it's a good idea to give our government the right and means to kill its own citizens? Since when has that been anything other than tyranny? Under what circumstance has there been institutionalized, tax-funded killing of civilians that was NOT tyrannical?

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16147655]Really, I have been quiet polite at commenting at your ignorance, so please if you do not have anything of value or intelligence to add to this discussion, I would much rather have you read than reply. You might learn something about both sides of the debate rather than your assumptions you have about the matter.[/QUOTE] And you might learn something about Universal Health care if you lived under it. My grandparents say that universal health care is better than private health care, and that means I know way, way more than you about the subject. When it comes right down to it, you have no grounds for arguing, because you have no experience with a universal system.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16147700]I just said that if corporations don't have people giving them money, they're going to fail. If everybody in America all of sudden hated McDonalds, and stopped eating there, McDonalds would run out of money. It's just unfortunate that this doesn't happen like it should. People don't have a choice of whether or not to pay taxes. If you don't, you get thrown in prison.[/QUOTE] Who gets to decide what should and should not happen? The people. You may think McDonalds should be shut down, but The People don't. Of course you don't consider the lower-class that relies on cheap food and can't afford the expensive, leafy healthy shit.

Taxes suck regardless of who you are, if you make 30 grand a year, taxes take a third of that, and living on 30 grand a year is tough enough as it is if you have a kid, but have fun with your 20. Tax breaks for the poor and slightly more taxes for the more wealthy people would make it easier on everyone, Wealthy people have it easy already

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147643]No you don't. Everything we've been doing has been bastardizations of previous conventions. We have NEVER had unregulated business, ever. To say that we have, ESPECIALLY during the Bush years is just fucking stupid. Furthermore, let's act like children and tell on the big mean corporations to Mommy and Daddy Big Government as though they give a flying shit. To say that businessmen are MORE corrupt than fucking politicians? Businessmen can go bankrupt, for fuck's sakes. Politicians can violate the constitution, break dozens of federal laws, rape civil liberties and then get acquitted immediately thereafter. To expect fucking government to be more trustworthy than corporate conglomerates? That's naivety to its maximum extent. "If a politician does it, it's called corruption." And you fucking trust them to root out corruption when they can't even keep their political dicks in their global pants on their fucking own? Bitch this is the human fucking condition. You've got some kind of pseudo-religious faith going on there. You have absolutely no understanding of how shit works here and you should be ashamed for rambling on about shit you do not understand.[/QUOTE] I in fact understand how the economy works quiet well. Enough not to generalize the actions of a few corrupt men to the entire private sector. Enough not to blame the president for deregulation when congress is again the government entity that creates the laws to do such things.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16147744]I in fact understand how the economy works quiet well. Enough not to generalize the actions of a few corrupt men to the entire private sector. Enough not to blame the president for deregulation when congress is again the government entity that creates the laws to do such things.[/QUOTE] You're 19. You don't understand shit. [editline]10:31PM[/editline] You don't even entirely understand how your dick works yet.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16147700]I just said that if corporations don't have people giving them money, they're going to fail. If everybody in America all of sudden hated McDonalds, and stopped eating there, McDonalds would run out of money. It's just unfortunate that this doesn't happen like it should. People don't have a choice of whether or not to pay taxes. If you don't, you get thrown in prison.[/QUOTE] If people didn't eat McDonalds people would be so obese, health care would cost less, and we wouldn't be having this debate :P

Everyone is corrupt. That's the Human Condition.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16147623]Well, I would not say I believe marxist government care about people, nor would I say a corporation cares about people either. The government wants power, and the corporation wants profit. The benefit they provide the people are simply the bi-product of the efforts so to say.[/QUOTE] I don't exactly see how people are benefiting, especially when these two groups are apparently only operating in their own interests. If the government, as you believe, is just trying to accumulate power (which is beneficial apparently), how has the patriot act, for example, or committing the people to fight largely unwinnable and unconventional wars in the third world to preserve the status quo, benefit the people?

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147748]You're 19. You don't understand shit. [editline]10:31PM[/editline] You don't even entirely understand how your dick works yet.[/QUOTE] I'm 18, but I have an upper hand over him because my mom is an economics professor, I live in a universal healthcare system, and I have family and friends that live/d in a privatized system. I'm not sure why he's arguing about anything here, because fact is far more important than his opinions.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147720]Who gets to decide what should and should not happen? The people. You may think McDonalds should be shut down, but The People don't. Of course you don't consider the lower-class that relies on cheap food and can't afford the expensive, leafy healthy shit.[/QUOTE] I don't have anything against McDonalds, it was just an example. I eat fast food all the time because I'm cheap. But sticking with the McDonalds example, if they cut the number of french fries you get in a package and raised the price, people might start going to Burger King.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;16147770]I'm 18, but I have an upper hand over him because my mom is an economics professor, I live in a universal healthcare system, and I have family and friends that live/d in a privatized system. I'm not sure why he's arguing about anything here, because fact is far more important than his opinions.[/QUOTE] And my Mom is a porn star. Doesn't make me Ron Jeremy. EDIT: [IMG]http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l316/lankist/wow.png[/IMG] His greatness has descended into the thread.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147703]So? They still have the power to execute you. Call you a terrorist, stick you on a military barge, convince a military tribunal of your guilt with no trial before your peers and blam, one in the head and you're dumped to sea. Even assuming they DON'T, you think it's a good idea to give our government the right and means to kill its own citizens? Since when has that been anything other than tyranny? Under what circumstance has there been institutionalized, tax-funded killing of civilians that was NOT tyrannical?[/QUOTE] You act as if their should be a judge present with all military stations giving a trial to every person we fight. War and crime are two separate circumstances, yet you are treating them the same. You are lucky we did not have this mindset during WWI or II as we would be speaking German right now.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147781]And my Mom is a porn star. Doesn't make me Ron Jeremy.[/QUOTE] well, there's the obvious issue that your mom has an entirely different set of sexual organs, whereas men and women both have brains and the ability to understand long winded conversations about the economy.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16147795]You act as if their should be a judge present with all military stations giving a trial to every person we fight. War and crime are two separate circumstances, yet you are treating them the same. You are lucky we did not have this mindset during WWI or II as we would be speaking German right now.[/QUOTE] Uh, no, I'm saying the fucking military should have absolutely no jurisdiction over United States Citizens.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147643]No you don't. Everything we've been doing has been bastardizations of previous conventions. We have NEVER had unregulated business, ever. To say that we have, ESPECIALLY during the Bush years is just fucking stupid.[/quote] Oh, so what you're telling me is, Bush held a tight clamp on business for the good of the people? REALLY now? [quote]Furthermore, let's act like children and tell on the big mean corporations to Mommy and Daddy Big Government as though they give a flying shit.[/quote] Saying "They don't give a shit" is not really a good argument. [quote]To say that businessmen are MORE corrupt than fucking politicians? Businessmen can go bankrupt, for fuck's sakes.[/quote] You know how many times the airline industry has gone bankrupt? Bankruptcy is not exactly the worse thing in the world. [quote]Politicians can violate the constitution, break dozens of federal laws, rape civil liberties and then get acquitted immediately thereafter. To expect fucking government to be more trustworthy than corporate conglomerates? That's naivety to its maximum extent. "If a politician does it, it's called corruption."[/quote] That's why you there's a system of checks and balances. [quote]And you fucking trust them to root out corruption when they can't even keep their political dicks in their global pants on their fucking own?[/quote] So by your idealist logic, all politicians are corrupt and business man are in it for the love of people, not profit. So credit card companies, fuel industries, etc never have corruption that was left unchecked? The last 8 years, according to you, was a nightmare for big business and banks. [quote]You have absolutely no understanding of how shit works here and you should be ashamed for rambling on about shit you do not understand.[/QUOTE] OH REALLY? You're the fucking person saying Bush regulated big business and all corporations are good hearted people with the public in mind. Do you EVEN know why America is in a recession right now? Are you so fucking stupid and dense that you can't even look around you and REALIZE that what you spout has CAUSED this. Give me ONE solid piece of evidence that Bush regulated industry. Just one. HOLY FUCK, you ACTUALLY maintained an argument, I'm shocked. AND you didn't change topic.

Let alone the ability to EXECUTE THEM [editline]10:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;16147807]Oh, so what you're telling me is, Bush held a tight clamp on business for the good of the people? REALLY now? Saying "They don't give a shit" is not really a good argument. You know how many times the airline industry has gone bankrupt? Bankruptcy is not exactly the worse thing in the world. That's why you there's a system of checks and balances. So by your idealist logic, all politicians are corrupt and business man are in it for the love of people, not profit. So credit card companies, fuel industries, etc never have corruption that was left unchecked? The last 8 years, according to you, was a nightmare for big business and banks. OH REALLY? You're the fucking person saying Bush regulated big business and all corporations are good hearted people with the public in mind. Do you EVEN know why America is in a recession right now? Are you so fucking stupid and dense that you can't even look around you and REALIZE that what you spout has CAUSED this. Give me ONE solid piece of evidence that Bush regulated industry. Just one. HOLY FUCK, you ACTUALLY maintained an argument, I'm shocked. AND you didn't change topic.[/QUOTE] I was implying he half-regulated it you ninny. Not fulfilling the requirements of either set of protocol.

Whoever thinks that it is the government's job to regulate businesses are fucking morons. It says right in the fucking Constitution that the private and public sector shall remain seperate. If a business gets out of control, it is the right of the citizen to boycott and/or take additional steps. The government is NOT there to tell a business what it can and can't do. Fuck, if I had the chance to work for a company like Umbrella, I would do it in a heartbeat. This would be my personal achievement to satisfy my wants for power and my resources for my needs. I also heard that Umbrella has an EXCELLENT health plan as well, dental, eyes, genera, the whole bit. Before you nutfucks start claiming "What a stupid fucking conservative," I will let you know that I am not. I am a Libertarian with some conservative ideals, some liberal ideals, and some constitutionalist ideals. I believe that it is up to you to make yourself, not up to everyone else. I also believe that if you want a police force you should have to pay extra taxes for that. Its not worth wasting the police force on a bunch of scumbags that call every night because their boyfriend/girlfriend hit them and stole their crack money. If you want to vote, you should have at LEAST a high school education, pay your taxes, not be on welfare (as it shouldn't be your choice to vote as you would be biased towards whoever would put more money in your grubby little paws, as shown by the results of the most recent election), and be able to pass a quiz about the current candidates that would include their policies, opinions, and ideals. No more fucktards going to vote for someone because they get them more money or they are of the same race. I'll leave this hear, this is how some people should be dealt with. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGeZQrpZbjI[/url]

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147756]Everyone is corrupt. That's the Human Condition.[/QUOTE] Read the thread, Trotsky.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147756]Everyone is corrupt. That's the Human Condition.[/QUOTE] I'd rather have a government with checks and balances then a free market with bankers and CEO's left unchecked.

[QUOTE=Conscript;16147757]I don't exactly see how people are benefiting, especially when these two groups are apparently only operating in their own interests. If the government, as you believe, is just trying to accumulate power (which is beneficial apparently), how has the patriot act, for example, or committing the people to fight largely unwinnable and unconventional wars in the third world to preserve the status quo, benefit the people?[/QUOTE] The government has its power the same way a corporation earns profit, people give it to them. The people can also take it away.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;16147797]well, there's the obvious issue that your mom has an entirely different set of sexual organs, whereas men and women both have brains and the ability to understand long winded conversations about the economy.[/QUOTE] You do not know fuck all about the economy just because Mommy has a degree. You just don't. That's like saying "Hey my dad is a subatomic physicist therefore I actually know shit about the extremely mind-bending world of subatomic particles." The economy is like subatomic physics only more complicated. You do not have even a basic grasp on it.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147809]Let alone the ability to EXECUTE THEM [editline]10:37PM[/editline] I was implying he half-regulated it you ninny. Not fulfilling the requirements of either set of protocol.[/QUOTE] I don't even know where he regulated it AT ALL.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;16147823]I'd rather have a government with checks and balances then a free market with bankers and CEO's left unchecked.[/QUOTE] We have checks and balances. Such as 150 years in federal prison. You can pretend government is trustworthy but it isn't any more trustworthy than business. If government can veto business, to have a balanced system business would have to be able to veto government. Nobody wants that, and without that it is not a series of checks and balances. [editline]10:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;16147840]I don't even know where he regulated it AT ALL.[/QUOTE] Uhh, by enforcing existing laws. You act like the president has to be in the boardroom spanking CEO's who have unethical but not illegal practices.

[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16147816]Whoever thinks that it is the government's job to regulate businesses are fucking morons. It says right in the fucking Constitution that the private and public sector shall remain seperate. If a business gets out of control, it is the right of the citizen to boycott and/or take additional steps. The government is NOT there to tell a business what it can and can't do. Fuck, if I had the chance to work for a company like Umbrella, I would do it in a heartbeat. This would be my personal achievement to satisfy my wants for power and my resources for my needs. I also heard that Umbrella has an EXCELLENT health plan as well, dental, eyes, genera, the whole bit. Before you nutfucks start claiming "What a stupid fucking conservative," I will let you know that I am not. I am a Libertarian with some conservative ideals, some liberal ideals, and some constitutionalist ideals. I believe that it is up to you to make yourself, not up to everyone else. I also believe that if you want a police force you should have to pay extra taxes for that. Its not worth wasting the police force on a bunch of scumbags that call every night because their boyfriend/girlfriend hit them and stole their crack money. If you want to vote, you should have at LEAST a high school education, pay your taxes, not be on welfare (as it shouldn't be your choice to vote as you would be biased towards whoever would put more money in your grubby little paws, as shown by the results of the most recent election), and be able to pass a quiz about the current candidates that would include their policies, opinions, and ideals. No more fucktards going to vote for someone because they get them more money or they are of the same race. I'll leave this hear, this is how some people should be dealt with. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGeZQrpZbjI[/url][/QUOTE] I think we are on the topic of universal healthcare, which has nothing to do with businesses, as unviersal healthcare is run free of businesses. It's like saying the US army is stealing business from Blackwater.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147837]You do not know fuck all about the economy just because Mommy has a degree. You just don't. That's like saying "Hey my dad is a subatomic physicist therefore I actually know shit about the extremely mind-bending world of subatomic particles." The economy is like subatomic physics only more complicated. You do not have even a basic grasp on it.[/QUOTE] LANKIST! Determining what people know and don't know What a hero. He makes all the libertarians proud.

[QUOTE=Lankist;16147804]Uh, no, I'm saying the fucking military should have absolutely no jurisdiction over United States Citizens.[/QUOTE] But that is its purpose. The military falls under the same set of guide lines as a police office. They are all part of the executive branch of government, which is to enforce the law. It doesnt matter if its the military, the CIA, or the 4chan party machine rolling up your driveway.

[QUOTE=limbaugh2012;16147866]But that is its purpose. The military falls under the same set of guide lines as a police office. They are all part of the executive branch of government, which is to enforce the law. It doesnt matter if its the military, the CIA, or the 4chan party machine rolling up your driveway.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. The military is forbidden from operating within the United States by constitutional law. They are not an enforcement agency. Military policing is specifically prohibited in about a thousand different laws. That's why we have fucking civilian police forces. The military is an offensive and defensive force. If there is nothing foreign to offend or defend against, they cannot do anything at all.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;16147650]People can't do a hell of a lot to big corporations, the government can, though. So IN an idealist market, the big business' will have a tight hand on them by the government.[/QUOTE] You're an armchair X, but that's pretty much as far as you've gone. If your plan is to have corporations regulated (which I do not think would be able exist in a free market) then you're going to have to learn the basics, such as the purpose and elements of a fucking corporate charter. Now what regulations do you propose? Price control, am I right?