House Democrats look at taxing the rich for health care - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946029]Uhh, where the fuck did you get that. You just related "free will" to "making decisions for others." What the fuck? If you think making decisions for others is bad, you've got no legs to stand on.[/QUOTE] Well morality is the basis for deciding in most siociety relating cases, isn't it? That's what is is for.

[QUOTE=Killuah;15946011]It doesn't do to well, true. But free will in terms of deciding about other people doesn't do better.[/QUOTE] I think you're forgetting this thing called charity, I'll tell you more about it when I get back from the blood drive today.

[QUOTE=Killuah;15946074]Well morality is the basis for deciding in most siociety relating cases, isn't it? That's what is is for.[/QUOTE] Not in this fuckin country it isn't. Morality has no place in law, and it never has.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;15946061]Good God, liberals are idiots.[/QUOTE] you SEE LIBERALS [media]http://blog.stanford.edu/unofficial/liberal_outrage_fox.jpg[/media]

[QUOTE=evilweazel;15946061]Good God, liberals are idiots. They want to take money away from the people who own the big, successful businesses, which hire most people. If you take that money away, they'll have to lay-off workers, and in this economy, its going to be a bitch for them to find a job, and if they don't, they'll just end up poor themselves, and the whole thing will repeat, a constant circle of lost money. And think about this, Why tax people for being successful, I mean did a poor man ever hire anyone?[/QUOTE] Well there wouldn't be a need to regulate the cashflow if workers were paid correctly. Yes I know, it would turn down the profit, making industry less successfull etc. but IMO more profit is not always the right way to go.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;15946061]Good God, liberals are idiots. They want to take money away from the people who own the big, successful businesses, which hire most people. If you take that money away, they'll have to lay-off workers, and in this economy, its going to be a bitch for them to find a job, and if they don't, they'll just end up poor themselves, and the whole thing will repeat, a constant circle of lost money. And think about this, Why tax people for being successful, I mean did a poor man ever hire anyone?[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946088]Not in this fuckin country it isn't. Morality has no place in law, and it never has.[/QUOTE] Morality tells us not to do things that hurt other people/society. So does law.

[QUOTE=Killuah;15946129]Morality tells us not to do things that hurt other people/society. So does law.[/QUOTE] Cats have tails and so do dogs. Morality is based in irrational belief systems. Law, specifically U.S. law, is based in the preservation and protection of individual rights, be they Human or Constitutional. It is completely possible to have a system of morality in which murder is no infringement upon anything. Conversely, it doesn't matter what subjective system of morality someone abides by, to murder is to deprive an individual of the most basic human right. Furthermore, morality roots itself in subjective and often religious basis. Rights, on the other hand, root themselves in necessity. That which is necessary so that an individual can live their life by their rules to the fullest extent they can without preventing someone else from doing just that.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946200]Cats have tails and so do dogs. Morality is based in irrational belief systems. Law, specifically U.S. law, is based in the preservation and protection of individual rights, be they Human or Constitutional. It is completely possible to have a system of morality in which murder is no infringement upon anything. Conversely, it doesn't matter what subjective system of morality someone abides by, to murder is to deprive an individual of the most basic human right. Furthermore, morality roots itself in subjective and often religious basis. Rights, on the other hand, root themselves in necessity. That which is necessary so that an individual can live their life by their rules to the fullest extent they can without preventing someone else from doing just that.[/QUOTE] well this fucking sucks i'm useless now :crying:

Every time you introduce morality to legislation, it ends very poorly. Fuck Tiny Tim. People die. There is no right to NOT die from Cancer. My Chemo Money is being saved for if and when I get cancer. I earned it, my name is on it, Tiny Tim can suck Jesus' cock. So unless you're going to prosecute a tumor, tough fucking luck.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946221]Every time you introduce morality to legislation, it ends very poorly. Fuck Tiny Tim. People die. There is no right to NOT die from Cancer. My Chemo Money is being saved for if and when I get cancer. I earned it, my name is on it, Tiny Tim can suck Jesus' cock.[/QUOTE] real ayn-randian man here

hey canuhear me you're a terrible person btw

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946221]Every time you introduce morality to legislation, it ends very poorly. Fuck Tiny Tim. People die. There is no right to NOT die from Cancer. My Chemo Money is being saved for if and when I get cancer. I earned it, my name is on it, Tiny Tim can suck Jesus' cock. So unless you're going to prosecute a tumor, tough fucking luck.[/QUOTE] you too

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946200]Furthermore, morality roots itself in subjective and often religious basis.[/QUOTE] Depends on who's morals you're using.

[QUOTE=Chippay;15946250]you too[/QUOTE] oooh it on [editline]01:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;15946252]Depends on who's morals you're using.[/QUOTE] [quote]morality roots itself in subjective[/quote] durrr dur dur durrr durrr dur dur durrr

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946221]Every time you introduce morality to legislation, it ends very poorly. Fuck Tiny Tim. People die. There is no right to NOT die from Cancer. My Chemo Money is being saved for if and when I get cancer. I earned it, my name is on it, Tiny Tim can suck Jesus' cock. So unless you're going to prosecute a tumor, tough fucking luck.[/QUOTE] I love it.

[QUOTE=gamefreekv2;15941528]When you start taxing the rich, they're gonna look for somewhere else to live. And they shouldn't have to cover for their medical costs, because this isn't (well, at least it wasn't) a socialist country.[/QUOTE] Money isn't a fluid that immediately flows to the place with the least regulation.

[QUOTE=Billiam;15946252]Depends on who's morals you're using.[/QUOTE] Exactly. It isn't definite. Morality is based in unsteady and unstable foundations. Rights and law on the other hand are rooted in rational and logical necessity, the most stable foundation possible. [editline]04:58PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chippay;15946250]you too[/QUOTE] I don't expect you to pay for my chemo treatments.

[QUOTE=nono345;15945484]yeah it's obviously being stolen poor people get no good or services in return[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it was stolen, just that it came from them

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;15944488]The rich do not, based solely on the fact that they are rich, have an obligation to help the poor. Either keep it such that everyone pays their way, or tax everyone equally. Just because a certain group has the capacity to pay for others' medical expenses doesn't mean they should be forced to be.[/QUOTE] We're forced to do a lot of things in life, especially paying for things we don't want to pay for. Tough. That's just part of being a citizen. If you don't want to pay for anything you don't want to pay for then move to Somalia.

[QUOTE=Penis Colada;15946371]I'm not saying it was stolen, just that it came from them[/QUOTE] And where did they get that money? Their job. Or their unemployment check. From the wallets of the rich all the same. That is a stupid fucking assertion. Money is a cycle.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946221]Every time you introduce morality to legislation, it ends very poorly. Fuck Tiny Tim. People die. There is no right to NOT die from Cancer. My Chemo Money is being saved for if and when I get cancer. I earned it, my name is on it, Tiny Tim can suck Jesus' cock. So unless you're going to prosecute a tumor, tough fucking luck.[/QUOTE] Except you chemo money would be there in the first place with these changes. Like here in Germany.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946312] I don't expect you to pay for my chemo treatments.[/QUOTE] i honestly don't give a shit because i have enough social contact to value human lives over a few extra tax dollars

[QUOTE=evilweazel;15946061]Good God, liberals are idiots. They want to take money away from the people who own the big, successful businesses, which hire most people. If you take that money away, they'll have to lay-off workers, and in this economy, its going to be a bitch for them to find a job, and if they don't, they'll just end up poor themselves, and the whole thing will repeat, a constant circle of lost money. And think about this, Why tax people for being successful, I mean did a poor man ever hire anyone? And doesn't that mean taxes will pay for health care for illegal immigrants and druggies, people who are poor who deserve it? Oh and by the way, wouldn't health care quality decrease, because why would the government pay the thousands of dollars per person in ERs every day, when they could just pay for the band-aid and water to clean the cut with, and say they paid for the "health care."[/QUOTE] you IDIOT, taxes don't affect that paying employee salaries and running a business is TAX-DEDUCTED. The only thing being decreased when you raise taxes is the amount of leftover money they pocket or spend on stupid shit.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;15946383]We're forced to do a lot of things in life, especially paying for things we don't want to pay for. Tough. That's just part of being a citizen. If you don't want to pay for anything you don't want to pay for then move to Somalia.[/QUOTE] Don't move to Somalia, that would be a terrible move for anyone with a nose.

[QUOTE=Chippay;15946407]i honestly don't give a shit because i have enough social contact to value human lives over a few extra tax dollars[/QUOTE] That's great. I don't. There seems to be an inconsistency here. Could it be that's the entire fucking reason morality has no place in legislation? [editline]05:02PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;15946383]We're forced to do a lot of things in life, especially paying for things we don't want to pay for. Tough. That's just part of being a citizen. If you don't want to pay for anything you don't want to pay for then move to Somalia.[/QUOTE] If you want everything decided for you, move to China.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946312]Exactly. It isn't definite. Morality is based in unsteady and unstable foundations. Rights and law on the other hand are rooted in rational and logical necessity, the most stable foundation possible. [editline]04:58PM[/editline] I don't expect you to pay for my chemo treatments.[/QUOTE] The question is, what counts as necessary? That's as fluid as morality. And tough shit if you don't think morality should be in legislation. It is, and it will be, and good thing too, or you'd be a slave working for a noble caste.

[QUOTE=Lankist;15946436]That's great. I don't. There seems to be an inconsistency here. Could it be that's the entire fucking reason morality has no place in legislation? [/QUOTE] seriously though you are a terrible person and you put money before the lives of actual people maybe you should get out more because i honestly don't understand how people can do this without isolating themselves

Let me ask this, why should someone give up their money when they went through lawschool, got a great job and works their ass off. Just as a side note, I'm not a conservative, I'm a libertarian but this concept just doesn't seem right. The thing about "taxing the rich" is, what does the democratic party consider "rich"? If you're talking about corporate CEOs and professional athletes, fine but anyone that makes over a hundred grand a year? That's fucking rediculous.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;15946457]The question is, what counts as necessary? That's as fluid as morality. And tough shit if you don't think morality should be in legislation. It is, and it will be, and good thing too, or you'd be a slave working for a noble caste.[/QUOTE] No, actually, slavery was abolished for international rights violations, not morality. See, that's how morality takes root. Credit is given for shit it isn't responsible for. Necessity is not fluid. Rights are a construct to ensure individualism, personal choice and liberty. They are only made when that choice is threatened. And it is very clear and evident when that choice is threatened. Pop quiz: Who here actually owns legal manuscripts?