• CIA Drone Killings Could Lead To A "PlayStation Mentality" Towards Killing
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22332649]the "controversy" for the video was overblown, and people that bitched about it didn't understand what it's like for them. [/QUOTE] Why are you more qualified to know what it's like for them than we are? [editline]05:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22332649]What's wrong with seeing it as a game...?[/QUOTE] My god, the arrogance and stupidity here is astounding.
[QUOTE=nVidia;22328367]I can't wait until there are only robots fighting. Or even better, make video games replace war.[/QUOTE] fucker u used n00kz that cheatin im gonna ban u from the server
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22328878]But playstation has no game[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/PS3_HAS_NO_GAME_by_FreshNfly89.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22332649]the "controversy" for the video was overblown, and people that bitched about it didn't understand what it's like for them. [editline]03:30PM[/editline] What's wrong with seeing it as a game...?[/QUOTE] Please oh please tell me you're being sarcastic.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;22333080]Please oh please tell me you're being sarcastic.[/QUOTE] Would you rather have them see it as a game, or have plenty of CIA agents and such getting mentally unstable because of the trauma of killing humans? [editline]03:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;22332767]Why are you more qualified to know what it's like for them than we are? [editline]05:37PM[/editline] My god, the arrogance and stupidity here is astounding.[/QUOTE] Why don't you Facepunchers explain WHY someone is wrong instead of being patronizing?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333122]Would you rather have them see it as a game, or have plenty of CIA agents and such getting mentally unstable because of the trauma of killing humans? [/QUOTE] It isn't that black and white. There is a in-between.
[QUOTE=nVidia;22328367]I can't wait until there are only robots fighting. Or even better, make video games replace war.[/QUOTE] xXFUNDAMENTALISTXx FUCKING DROP SHOTTED ME
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333122]Why don't you Facepunchers explain WHY someone is wrong instead of being patronizing?[/QUOTE] If you need to be lectured on why teaching soldiers that killing human beings is a game is [b]wrong[/b] you are much too immature to understand even the most watered down descriptions of our reasoning.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;22333170]It isn't that black and white. There is a in-between.[/QUOTE] The in-between would technically be them not caring, right? I doubt they would not care after they kill people. [editline]03:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;22333201]If you need to be lectured on why teaching soldiers that killing human beings is a game is [B]wrong[/B] you are much too immature to understand even the most watered down descriptions of our reasoning.[/QUOTE] Better than having them go insane.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;22333170]It isn't that black and white. There is a in-between.[/QUOTE] This. Everything is wrong about soldiers that see war as a game, and everything is wrong with soldiers that return home mentally unstable. Luckily, the majority of the military isn't fucked up in either way.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22332767]Why are you more qualified to know what it's like for them than we are? [editline]05:37PM[/editline] My god, the arrogance and stupidity here is astounding.[/QUOTE] I'm not, but no one really is. All arguments on this forum are based on knowledge people gather from, what, forums, wikipedia, news articles? None of them were actually there, they don't understand half of how it went. [editline]04:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Clavus;22333232]This. Everything is wrong about soldiers that see war as a game, and everything is wrong with soldiers that return home mentally unstable. Luckily, the majority of the military isn't fucked up in either way.[/QUOTE] You know why they don't go insane? Because they treat it like it's no big deal. Maybe "game" is the wrong word though, I'll admit.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333214]Better than having them go insane.[/QUOTE] And psychological counselling to ensure that they don't go insane while performing their duties in a respectful and professional manner isn't an option, why? [editline]06:02PM[/editline] Taking a life is a serious affair and should always be treated as such.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22333274]And psychological counselling to ensure that they don't go insane while performing their duties in a respectful and professional manner isn't an option, why?[/QUOTE] They shouldn't NEED to have that option, and it doesn't always work. That's like saying that they should jump 20 feet off a ledge, because they can get them fixed anyway.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333246] You know why they don't go insane? Because they treat it like it's no big deal. Maybe "game" is the wrong word though, I'll admit.[/QUOTE] I think you're finally starting to see our reasoning here. There is a big difference between not caring and seeing it as a game.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22333274]And psychological counselling to ensure that they don't go insane while performing their duties in a respectful and professional manner isn't an option, why? [editline]06:02PM[/editline] Taking a life is a serious affair and should always be treated as such.[/QUOTE] See, that's the thinking that causes suicide and PTSD [editline]04:03PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Clavus;22333291]I think you're finally starting to see our reasoning here. There is a big difference between not caring and seeing it as a game.[/QUOTE] Finally? It has been like 5 posts
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333300]See, that's the thinking that causes suicide and PTSD [/QUOTE] Delusions that you're playing a game or destroying human beings less worthy than yourself are just as dangerous.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22333330]Delusions that you're playing a game or destroying human beings less worthy than yourself are just as dangerous.[/QUOTE] The reality of taking in all that comes from ending a human-beings life is just as dangerous
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333367]The reality of taking in all that comes from ending a human-beings life is just as dangerous[/QUOTE] Not if properly treated. And delusions don't exist if they're treated so don't bounce this one back at me.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333367]The reality of taking in all that comes from ending a human-beings life is just as dangerous[/QUOTE] I'd say that a post-war depression is more a danger to yourself, while if you see these serious matters as a game, you're a danger to your environment, and possibly the functioning of the military machine itself (which is why the CIA is probably discussing this). I make some assumptions, but they sound pretty logical to me.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22333417]Not if properly treated. And delusions don't exist if they're treated so don't bounce this one back at me.[/QUOTE] Is there anything really WRONG with treating it like a game? Besides how morally wrong it is, is there some sort of expectancy of them going around murdering citizens because it's a game? Because that's nearly the same logic for video game violence.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333367]The reality of taking in all that comes from ending a human-beings life is just as dangerous[/QUOTE] So what you want is loads of trigger happy morons who see the whole thing as a game and end up killing innocents, like the people in the wikileak footage?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333453]Is there anything really WRONG with treating it like a game? Besides how morally wrong it is, is there some sort of expectancy of them going around murdering citizens because it's a game? Because that's nearly the same logic for video game violence.[/QUOTE] Yes, exactly. In video games you make decisions and do things that should never be done in real life. You made decisions based on what entertains you the most, not what is right. [editline]01:15AM[/editline] I'm off to bed. Lesson's over children!
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333453]Is there anything really WRONG with treating it like a game? Besides how morally wrong it is, is there some sort of expectancy of them going around murdering citizens because it's a game? Because that's nearly the same logic for video game violence.[/QUOTE] Playing an actual video game doesn't cause real causalities. Killing real people and passing it off as a video game does cause real causalities.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;22333525]So what you want is loads of trigger happy morons who see the whole thing as a game and end up killing innocents, like the people in the wikileak footage?[/QUOTE] They didn't kill them BECAUSE they were innocents, y'know
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333595]They didn't kill them BECAUSE they were innocents, y'know[/QUOTE] No they killed them because they wanted to kill something, saw some shifty looking people and decided to shoot them without checking whether they where hostile or not.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;22333590]Playing an actual video game doesn't cause real causalities. Killing real people and passing it off as a video game does cause real causalities.[/QUOTE] But they are killing in what they perceive as just, killing suicide bombers, terrorists, mass murders, that seems just to me, but I can understand how you can disagree, but they don't just do it because they enjoy killing or anything, they do it because they agree with the cause that they are given.
It's more humane than blasting a guy in the face with an AK-47 or suicide bombing a building full of civilians.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333628]But they are killing in what they perceive as just, killing suicide bombers, terrorists, mass murders, that seems just to me, but I can understand how you can disagree, but they don't just do it because they enjoy killing or anything, they do it because they agree with the cause that they are given.[/QUOTE] And what if their perception is wrong? If you're treating the whole thing as a game, suddenly accidentally murdering a building full of innocents becomes a lot less wrong. I'm not saying that soldiers who accidentally screw up should be tormented by it for the rest of their lives but it shouldn't be ignored.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22333628]But they are killing in what they perceive as just, killing suicide bombers, terrorists, mass murders, that seems just to me, but I can understand how you can disagree, but they don't just do it because they enjoy killing or anything, they do it because they agree with the cause that they are given.[/QUOTE] And how about if you're going up against another country, where the people you're killing are fighting for the exact same reasons as you are? Is that a just reason to kill in your eyes?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;22333677]And how about if you're going up against another country, where the people you're killing are fighting for the exact same reasons as you are? Is that a just reason to kill in your eyes?[/QUOTE] That is not a very good war if you can't agree with your own country's ideals. [editline]04:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;22333674]And what if their perception is wrong? If you're treating the whole thing as a game, suddenly accidentally murdering a building full of innocents becomes a lot less wrong. I'm not saying that soldiers who accidentally screw up should be tormented by it for the rest of their lives but it shouldn't be ignored.[/QUOTE] But I don't think they do just ignore it or pass it off as nothing, they care just about the same, they may care a little less because they themselves didn't kill them with their own hands, but they still care.
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