Government response to cannabis legalisation petition - Polidicks

Did anyone honestly expect anything different from the Tory party? The party that recently made people up to defend it's benefits cuts

Wasn't this supposed to be debated in parliament? That's some bullshit to say you need this many signatures for an official debate, and then they just side step it to say "lol no."

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48544511]It isn't about truth guys, its all about money, tobacco and alcohol lobbyists don't want cannabis to become more powerful, I bet if you looked into the pockets of these people stopping this kind of legislation all you are going to find are people profiting from it not happening.[/QUOTE] Why don't the tobacco lobbyists get into the weed business too? Surely they have the resources and it will make absolute fucking bank for them.

they will consider if a debate is worth it and may give a date within the next 32 days

[QUOTE=dot.rich;48546210]they will consider if a debate is worth it and may give a date within the next 32 days[/QUOTE] the 32 days is how long it's been waiting to get a debate, not how long before we get a date

[QUOTE=426_Hemi;48544021]They can't because they're a cash cow, and the societies lobby is important. This is not the case with cannabis; legalising it would be a huge step backward in terms of public health. There is, I think, nothing wrong with using it in your home at your own risk - but, like alcohol, you have retards that will take the road while high and risk causing accidents with people that asked nothing ( here in france about 20% of fatal accidents involved a driver positive to cannabis )[/QUOTE] It's so easy to get anyway that I'd wager the effects being negligable toward those sorts of statistics

[QUOTE=Sableye;48544485]But there's substantial scientific evidence refuting the idea that it's more dangerous than the other legalized drugs on the market [/QUOTE] then maybe we should be petitioning to criminalize those other already legal drugs

[QUOTE=NumberEight;48546766]then maybe we should be petitioning to criminalize those other already legal drugs[/QUOTE] Prohibition in America didn't turn out too well.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48544026]Cannabis is actually good for you in most cases. This is getting so damn stupid.[/QUOTE] No they aren't? Besides like a limited ability to treat pain in some patients, toking up doesn't give you much health benefits. Not to mention that you're still burning stuff and breathing in smoke, which in itself isn't really the healthiest of things to be doing.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48546793]Prohibition in America didn't turn out too well.[/QUOTE] i wonder what the government's response would be if a petition to ban alcohol or cigarettes gained enough signatures, though. there's just as much evidence to show that they're dangerous.

[QUOTE=426_Hemi;48544021]They can't because they're a cash cow, and the societies lobby is important. This is not the case with cannabis; legalising it would be a huge step backward in terms of public health.[/QUOTE] Drug wars are a big step backwards in terms of public health.

Just what I expected - a pre-canned answer from the Conservative government that shows little regard for public opinion or desire.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48546810]No they aren't? Besides like a limited ability to treat pain in some patients, toking up doesn't give you much health benefits. Not to mention that you're still burning stuff and breathing in smoke, which in itself isn't really the healthiest of things to be doing.[/QUOTE] This is why vaporizers and edibles exist.

Called it. Doesn't matter how many people want something, and how accepted it is in the modern community, the old men always stick with their old outdated laws.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;48547500]This is why vaporizers and edibles exist.[/QUOTE] A lot of people seem to be under the false impression that smoking joints is as good as the ones you mentioned.

As I posted in the other thread: we'll hear in early-mid September more news on when there will be a debate in parliament on the issue. Parliament is currently in its summer recess and unable to respond.

So this seems worthwhile in light of this bullshit: [url]https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/104933[/url] [quote]This website is a great idea, getting the people to speak up on the issues that matter to them, however, when those petitions are ignored or given a token reply, it becomes a farce. To engage with the electorate, any petition with sufficient signatures should be debated, not considered for debate[/quote] (I'm from the UK, I'm just in America right now)

[QUOTE=Zotobom;48544831]Keyword: in healthy users. Cannabis can trigger mental illneses that the user might not have noticed or whatever.[/QUOTE] And liquor will make a normal healthy person violently beligerent, mental issues or not. Colorado took the common sense approach with the "regulate like alcohol" cannabis bill.

Yet again the government trades freedom for perceived security. Only with the war on drugs, the perceived "security" actually harms individuals and communities

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48544026]Oh come the fuck on. Cigarettes have no positives and are legal. Cannabis is actually good for you in most cases. This is getting so damn stupid.[/QUOTE] whilst i fully support the legalization of most recreational drugs, the idea that cannabis is good for you is really dumb.

[QUOTE=halofreak472;48543987]It shouldn't even matter what the science says, it's none of their business if people want to do drugs inside their own homes. If someone ruins their life through drug use then that's their own responsibility.[/QUOTE] I question you this then (purely out of curiosity!): Should we legalize every drug?

[QUOTE=exhale77;48549813]I question you this then (purely out of curiosity!): Should we legalize every drug?[/QUOTE] absolutely. My freedom is more important than someone else's well being

[QUOTE=cody8295;48549828]absolutely. My freedom is more important than someone else's well being[/QUOTE] Well said. What do you think of the societal repercussions (if any; both positive and negative)?

[QUOTE=exhale77;48549844]Well said. What do you think of the societal repercussions (if any; both positive and negative)?[/QUOTE] I think there would be both positive (less drug overdoses, less impurities and misinformation among users, less drug violence, less money fueling black market violence past and around the border, easier to inform drug users, easier to regulate, less availability of drugs to children, more freedom of choice, higher tax generation) and negative (sends the wrong message to people who look to government for their morals, more people may become addicted, tons of federal agencies out of business or huge loss of funding)

[QUOTE=download;48544408]Need to start a parody petition calling for a ban of Alcohol and Tobacco because of the same reasons.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call that a parody.

Cannabis's impact on human health is probably the worst argument for keeping it outlawed.

[QUOTE=Bobie;48549750]whilst i fully support the legalization of most recreational drugs, the idea that cannabis is good for you is really dumb.[/QUOTE] But it is, it may not be as varied as claimed, but it is proven to work with several ailments, MS being a big one.

[QUOTE=cody8295;48549920] people who look to government for their morals[/QUOTE] People like this are fucked anyway

[QUOTE=426_Hemi;48544021]They can't because they're a cash cow, and the societies lobby is important. This is not the case with cannabis; legalising it would be a huge step backward in terms of public health. There is, I think, nothing wrong with using it in your home at your own risk - but, like alcohol, you have retards that will take the road while high and risk causing accidents with people that asked nothing ( here in france about 20% of fatal accidents involved a driver positive to cannabis )[/QUOTE] For the last part there, you could be positive for cannabis in your system days or even like weeks, depending on body type and physical activity, after you have used it, not necessarily at the time you had the accident.

[QUOTE=exhale77;48549813]I question you this then (purely out of curiosity!): Should we legalize every drug?[/QUOTE] Yeah. I don't think it's any of the government's business to decide what's best for people. Their duty is to protect me from other people, not from myself. Not only can it be a slippery slope with the empowerment of government over individuals, but it's just impossible to have an all-knowing force of good that fits every single person's situation. It's also absurd to punish people for ruining their life with drugs by further ruining their life with prison. Most of the downsides I see in drug legalization are incidents like people on PCP who go around trying to eat other people. Making it illegal to be under the influence of drugs like that in public in general could probably help with that. If they're doing it on private property then they're a lot less likely to be a threat to others. Even with that, I don't like the idea of arresting people just because they [i]might[/i] commit a crime. cody8295 covered the benefits of legalization pretty well. I wouldn't support trying to get tax dollars from drugs though. Putting a mandatory minimum price on them is just going to make addicts turn to illegal methods of obtaining them again if they can't afford the legal stuff. Considering how there are a lot of drug users with very little money, it's not really going to solve a lot of the problems with drugs being illegal.