Immigrants should "benefit the UK" and earn a minimum of £31,000
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[QUOTE=Source;34517572]I work for the NHS thankyou very much, currently training as a Paramedic, my jobs as real as any.[/QUOTE]
How many hours a week are you putting into work?
[QUOTE=eddy-tt-;34512556]Because then there are no jobs for fucking people like me.
Seriously I've lost out to about 2/3 of the jobs I've applied to because of the fuckload of immigrant applications, you should see them walking in and out of the jobcenter.
I feel like a damn alien in my own country.
Don't get me wrong here but it's a little annoying and I have nothing against them applying but most have near nothing in qualifications and yet still beat me at the game.
I've gone through so much shit with my personal adviser and my CV has been through at least 35 changes and listed everything I know.
So I kinda agree with what they are saying here, if you're qualified enough to earn that amount of money you should be able to come over and work over here for that specific job, kinda gives the vibe of Australia's immigration laws though.[/QUOTE]
Uh, jobs don't deliberately chose immigrants over you, maybe they'll work for less or have more qualifications and motivation. That or get an a skill like take up a trades course or do A levels.
[QUOTE=@@;34511924]Not the government's fault you've got such a bad job, how about you quit working at McDonalds, get some qualifications and then get a real job?[/QUOTE]
Maybe he could get better qualified if tuition costs weren't obscene?
[QUOTE=@@;34517610]How many hours a week are you putting into work?[/QUOTE]
Clearly not enough, it's not the fact I'm on 12,500 that pisses me off it's the principle that the government is saying people from abroad should come for high wage jobs when a lot of the current population struggles to make ends meet with they're jobs not paying enough. Everyone who works hard deserves a decent wage sure, but sort your own country out first eh?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;34517479]One hell of a misreading considering the answer is in the first three lines. And I think it's a problem when immigrants have to be worth more than your own citizens.[/QUOTE]
We don't want them here, so we don't. Come and live in the country and then see what you think.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34517903]We don't want them here, so we don't. Come and live in the country and then see what you think.[/QUOTE]
sorry I forgot you spoke for all of britain.
Uh... Don't most countries have policies like this. I mean to migrate to Australia you need something like over $500,000 of personal assets.
[QUOTE='[CWG]RustySpannerz;34518848']Uh... Don't most countries have policies like this. I mean to migrate to Australia you need something like over $500,000 of personal assets.[/QUOTE]
Japan has something similar too I think.
[QUOTE=Jasun;34513439]
To be honest in a huge amount of cases in the UK, it isn't so much that people are 'down on their luck' it's that they can't be bothered to keep a job, and would rather just stay at home off their head on MDMA watching their relatives on the Jeremy Kyle show.[/QUOTE]
oh Jasun sure did his bloody research!
definitely a couple a brains in this one eh?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;34517983]sorry I forgot you spoke for all of britain.[/QUOTE]
I know me and him aren't the whole of Britian but I agree with what he said. I as well as pretty much all my mates and family do not want them here.
I was replaced by a polish immigrant in my last job as a helpdesk technician getting payed £7.50 an hour. I wonder why they hired someone from such a poor country?
because he was so good at stealing jobs, of course
I think people from the USA are thinking we're exaggerating when we say they steal jobs, we aren't.
Exactly, now I might have to get the dole when I get kicked out. Really are no jobs where I live now, either need a degree or have to travel over 100 miles for a £6.00 and hour job...
There is a problem here.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527110]Exactly, now I might have to get the dole when I get kicked out. Really are no jobs where I live now, either need a degree or have to travel over 100 miles for a £6.00 and hour job...
There is a problem here.[/QUOTE]
Do you live in the South west?
[QUOTE=MingeCrab;34527117]Do you live in the South west?[/QUOTE]
Near Inverness, North East Scotland.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527086]I think people from the USA are thinking we're exaggerating when we say they steal jobs, we aren't.[/QUOTE]
Stealing implies that you were actually entitled to the job, and considering that the only entity capable of determining entitlement for employment is typically the employer who chose not to hire you or to fire you, there is no actual theft involved. Those who claim that immigrants are stealing their jobs are just mad because they can't make their job application more appealing than an immigrant's.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527191]Stealing implies that you were actually entitled to the job, and considering that the only entity capable of determining entitlement for employment is typically the employer who chose not to hire you or to fire you, there is no actual theft involved. Those who claim that immigrants are stealing their jobs are just mad because they can't make their job application more appealing than an immigrant's.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because their application says they'll work for pennies.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527204]Yeah because their application says they'll work for pennies.[/QUOTE]
If they are capable of working for pennies and you are not perhaps you should reexamine your financial situation.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527213]If they are capable of working for pennies and you are not perhaps you should reexamine your financial situation.[/QUOTE]
They live alone while I do not, I am not going to work for a terrible wage when I could be working for the 'correct' wage. Why do you think so many people in Britain no longer see the point working? Because you can get the same amount of money and a house for NOTHING.
This is Britain for you these days, claim benefits, live off the Dole and get a free house.
Or y'know I could do what my old boss wanted me to do and work for the exact same thing?
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527235]I am not going to work for a terrible wage when I could be working for the 'correct' wage.[/QUOTE]
What 'correct' wage? The only 'correct' wage is the one your employer is willing to offer you [while still operating within legal bounds]. If you want to enter the job market you have to understand the entire point of it is a competitive balance between employee capability and employer's cost. If someone as capable of you (to be determined by employer solely) is willing to work for less than you then the employer would have to be stupid or otherwise influenced to not hire them over you. You are there to sell yourself to a prospective employer, not to bitch and whine about people being more hireable than you.
[quote]This is Britain for you these days, claim benefits, live off the Dole and get a free house.
Or y'know I could do what my old boss wanted me to do and work for the exact same thing?[/QUOTE]
Or, you know, you could stash your pride away and exploit the system exactly like they do if you're really having so many financial troubles in a damaged economy. Boo hoo.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527280]What 'correct' wage? The only 'correct' wage is the one your employer is willing to offer you [while still operating within legal bounds]. If you want to enter the job market you have to understand the entire point of it is a competitive balance between employee capability and employer's cost. If someone as capable of you (to be determined by employer solely) is willing to work for less than you then the employer would have to be stupid or otherwise influenced to not hire them over you. You are there to sell yourself to a prospective employer, not to bitch and whine about people being more hireable than you.[/QUOTE]
When this person is more employable because they will work off minimum wage, not get payed for overtime or for working Christmas. Will happily work weekends for normal wage I can't challenge that. I wouldn't be so bothered if it was a British person who took me job but an immigrant came and took it, of course he was willing to work for less, what other choice does he have? I was simply made redundant.
[editline]3rd February 2012[/editline]
Anyway on the other hand I will be in the Royal Navy in about 4 or 5 months so I don't care anymore. Past is the past.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527310]When this person is more employable because they will work off minimum wage, not get payed for overtime or for working Christmas. Will happily work weekends for normal wage I can't challenge that. I wouldn't be so bothered if it was a British person who took me job but an immigrant came and took it, of course he was willing to work for less, what other choice does he have? I was simply made redundant.[/QUOTE]
It's not simply that said immigrant is willing to work for less 'because he has no choice,' it's also that said immigrant probably comes from a poorer country (as a side note I am quite familiar with east bloc immigrants as we get migrant workers here every summer) and are therefore practiced in living within lower income means than you are. Perhaps instead of complaining you should figure out a solution that doesn't boil down to petty nationalism and scapegoating?
[quote]Anyway on the other hand I will be in the Royal Navy in about 4 or 5 months so I don't care anymore. Past is the past.[/QUOTE]
That's definitely a solution, yes.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527345]It's not simply that said immigrant is willing to work for less 'because he has no choice,' it's also that said immigrant probably comes from a poorer country (as a side note I am quite familiar with east bloc immigrants as we get migrant workers here every summer) and are therefore practiced in living within lower income means than you are. Perhaps instead of complaining you should figure out a solution that doesn't boil down to petty nationalism and scapegoating?[/QUOTE]
Not scapegoating, I brought I point up earlier that I could get the same let's call it 'wage' for sitting on my arse doing nothing. That's why immigrants get our jobs because we realise that we can do nothing and get away with it.
My nationalism lies with old Britain, the one that actually gave a fuck about its citizens.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527374]Not scapegoating, I brought I point up earlier that I could get the same let's call it 'wage' for sitting on my arse doing nothing. That's why immigrants get our jobs because we realise that we can do nothing and get away with it.
My nationalism lies with old Britain, the one that actually gave a fuck about its citizens.[/QUOTE]
Your argument is both petty and nationalist scapegoating simply because it boils down to "I am not as competitive as the rest of the workforce, the government doesn't care about me and immigration is bringing in better workers than me. Nerf plz."
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527404]Your argument is both petty and nationalist scapegoating simply because it boils down to "I am not as competitive as the rest of the workforce, the government doesn't care about me and therefore immigration is to blame."[/QUOTE]
Think what you want, however, do you think I am the only person in Britain who has lost their job to an immigrant and is a little pissed about it?
There are a lot of people in my situation.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527420]Think what you want, however, do you think I am the only person in Britain who has lost their job to an immigrant and is a little pissed about it?
There are a lot of people in my situation.[/QUOTE]
Just because you can back your point democratically doesn't mean you have backed your point logically. But I do in fact respect your reassurement that I am capable of thinking what I want. I was worried for a second.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527438]Just because you can back your point democratically doesn't mean you have backed your point logically.[/QUOTE]
So you are calling me illogical because I pointed out the facts? Please, come back when you have been in the same situation. I've had enough of this now, you refuse to understand. The government is taking action on immigration because the people are pissed off, is that not a clear show that there really [b]is[/b] a problem or do I have to dig up all the evidence I can find, perhaps even bring in a few more people in my situation and show you the immigration figures?
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527374]My nationalism lies with old Britain, the one that actually gave a fuck about its citizens.[/QUOTE]
What fucking 'old Britain' are you talking about?
Workers in this country have never had it so cushty.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527511]What fucking 'old Britain' are you talking about?
Workers in this country have never had it so cushty.[/QUOTE]
Before all the companies were sold out. That fucking 'old Britain'.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527461]So you are calling me illogical because I pointed out the facts? Please, come back when you have been in the same situation. I've had enough of this now, you refuse to understand. The government is taking action on immigration because the people are pissed off, is that not a clear show that there really [b]is[/b] a problem or do I have to dig up all the evidence I can find, perhaps even bring in a few more people in my situation and show you the immigration figures?[/QUOTE]
I would never call anecdotal experiences 'fact'.
[editline]3rd February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527523]Before all the companies were sold out. That fucking 'old Britain'.[/QUOTE]
oh oh ho this will be good.
Do explain further please.
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