Immigrants should "benefit the UK" and earn a minimum of £31,000
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[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527461]So you are calling me illogical because I pointed out the facts? Please, come back when you have been in the same situation. I've had enough of this now, you refuse to understand. The government is taking action on immigration because the people are pissed off, is that not a clear show that there really [b]is[/b] a problem or do I have to dig up all the evidence I can find, perhaps even bring in a few more people in my situation and show you the immigration figures?[/QUOTE]
No, I am saying you are whining because immigrants are a more economical choice for your employer than you are. I know plenty of people who are in the exact same situation you are, I was also in the exact same situation you are. Nor do I refuse to understand, you refuse to create an argument that isn't baseless complaint about your own unhireability compared to others in the workforce. But feel free to actually bring non-anecdotal evidence to the table, I would love to see that.
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oh oh ho this will be good.
Do explain further please.[/QUOTE]
I love you.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527525]I would never call anecdotal experiences 'fact'.
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oh oh ho this will be good.
Do explain further please.[/QUOTE]
Read about this wonderful woman called Margaret Thatcher, before her time. I'm not explaining myself to you.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527545]Read about this wonderful woman called Margaret Thatcher, before her time. I'm not explaining myself to you.[/QUOTE]
It's your job as a participant in an argument to back up your points with actual research instead of telling us to research milk thieves for you.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527545]Read about this wonderful woman called Margaret Thatcher, before her time. I'm not explaining myself to you.[/QUOTE]
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dey toook dour jawwwbs!
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527553]It's your job as a participant in an argument to back up your points with actual research instead of telling us to research milk thieves for you.[/QUOTE]
But I can't be arsed to.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527580]But I can't be arsed to.[/QUOTE]
Then surrender the argument and/or find someone to replace you who can be arsed to.
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[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527590]
Nah I just can't be bothered arguing any more, get enough of that from my girl.[/QUOTE]
That's strange, she doesn't argue with me.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527554]dey toook dour jawwwbs![/QUOTE]
Grow up.
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[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527589]Then surrender the argument and/or find someone to replace you who can be arsed to.[/QUOTE]
Okay, Nick Griffin.
/joke
Nah I just can't be bothered arguing any more, get enough of that from my girl.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527580]But I can't be arsed to.[/QUOTE]
More like you can't explain your completely vague point about this concept of 'Old Britain'.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527607]More like you can't explain your completely vague point about this concept of 'Old Britain'.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about not being arsed to research and present evidence for that case. Okay how about this, 1900-1950's Britain. That would of been my orgasmic period to be in.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527213]If they are capable of working for pennies and you are not perhaps you should reexamine your financial situation.[/QUOTE]
Why should we? We shouldn't have to work for less than we were because some foreigners want our jobs.
Firstly, my Mother is a hairdresser and has two shops where she does hair, the new hairdressers opening down the street is Polish, they're doing better because they're cheaper. You know why they're cheaper? The government give them a years free rent and set everything up for them, this isn't racism, xenophobia or anything else. These people are taking the piss and taking our jobs.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527633]Why should we? We shouldn't have to work for less than we were because some foreigners want our jobs.
Firstly, my Mother is a hairdresser and has two shops where she does hair, the new hairdressers opening down the street is Polish, they're doing better because they're cheaper. You know why they're cheaper? The government give them a years free rent and set everything up for them, this isn't racism, xenophobia or anything else. These people are taking the piss and taking our jobs.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for representing the case. :v:
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527625]I wasn't talking about not being arsed to research and present evidence for that case. Okay how about this, 1900-1950's Britain. That would of been my orgasmic period to be in.[/QUOTE]
Yeah what a fantastic time to be in :rolleye:
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[QUOTE=Erasus;34527633]Why should we?[/QUOTE]
Because you operate in a competitive economy. Those who can offer better or more competitive services to employers/customers win over those who can not adapt.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527647]Yeah what a fantastic time to be in :rolleye:
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Sign me up.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527647]Yeah what a fantastic time to be in :rolleye:[/QUOTE]
It depends on which sector you chose to get work in. It's a little stupid standing on the street with a billboard when you could actually go out and find work.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527691]It depends on which sector you chose to get work in.[/QUOTE]
That's funny that you say that because your complaints have been entirely centric to the unskilled/semi-skilled laborer market.
Think about it like this, you work somewhere and your boss gives you a call, "Hey mate, going to have to lay you off I'm afraid, people are starting to work for less than we pay you, unless you wanna make that sacrifice I'm afraid you'll lose your job" "Uh, who's getting paid less?" "A new Polish family just migrated over to England, they'll literally work for pennies!" and then you're thinking, oh well yeah, work for less, keep your job. These Polish people are getting benefits, free money for having fucking children, even if they're working they get benefits, do we? No. Why the fuck does our country encourage new foreigners to come over when they need to sort out the fucking country as it is. You Americans don't have a say. Live here and then reply, but otherwise, don't bother trying to say what we should do in order to keep our jobs.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527715]Think about it like this, you work somewhere and your boss gives you a call, "Hey mate, going to have to lay you off I'm afraid, people are starting to work for less than we pay you, unless you wanna make that sacrifice I'm afraid you'll lose your job" "Uh, who's getting paid less?" "A new Polish family just migrated over to England, they'll literally work for pennies!" and then you're thinking, oh well yeah, work for less, keep your job. These Polish people are getting benefits, free money for having fucking children, even if they're working they get benefits, do we? No. Why the fuck does our country encourage new foreigners to come over when they need to sort out the fucking country as it is. You Americans don't have a say. Live here and then reply, but otherwise, don't bother trying to say what we should do in order to keep our jobs.[/QUOTE]
Finally, at least you get it. What are us British citizens entitled to? Fuck all.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34527754]Finally, at least you get it. What are us British citizens entitled to? Fuck all.[/QUOTE]
Attendance Allowance
Back to Work Bonus (see EIM76223)
Bereavement Payment (see EIM76171), replaced Widow's Payment from 9 April 2001
Child Benefit
Child's Special Allowance
Child Tax Credit
Cold Weather Payments, see also Winter Fuel payment
Council Tax Benefit, administered by local authorities
Constant Attendance Allowance, see industrial disablement benefit below
Disability Living Allowance
Income related Employment and Support Allowance (see EIM76186)
Exceptionally Severe Disablement Allowance, see industrial disablement benefit below
Guardian's Allowance
Housing Benefit, administered by local authorities
Incapacity Benefit for first 28 weeks of entitlement, taxable thereafter (see EIM76180)
Income Support, certain payments (see EIM76190)
Industrial Injuries Benefit, a general term covering industrial injuries pension, reduced earnings allowance, retirement allowance, constant attendance allowance and exceptionally severe disablement allowance
Invalidity Benefit, replaced by Incapacity benefit from April 1995 but still payable where invalidity commenced before April 1995.
In-work credit
In-work emergency discretion fund payment
In-work emergency fund payment
Maternity Allowance, see EIM76361
Payments out of the Social Fund to people on a low income to help with maternity expenses, funeral costs, financial crises and as community care grants. The fund also makes interest-free loans.
Pensioner's Christmas Bonus
State Pension credit
Reduced Earnings Allowance, see industrial disablement benefit above
Retirement Allowance, see industrial disablement benefit above
Return to work credit, including the self-employment credit
Severe Disablement Allowance
War Widow's pension, see EIM76103
Winter Fuel payment
Working Tax Credit.
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and that is just social security.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527715]Think about it like this, you work somewhere and your boss gives you a call, "Hey mate, going to have to lay you off I'm afraid, people are starting to work for less than we pay you, unless you wanna make that sacrifice I'm afraid you'll lose your job" "Uh, who's getting paid less?" "A new Polish family just migrated over to England, they'll literally work for pennies!" and then you're thinking, oh well yeah, work for less, keep your job. These Polish people are getting benefits, free money for having fucking children, even if they're working they get benefits, do we? No. Why the fuck does our country encourage new foreigners to come over when they need to sort out the fucking country as it is. You Americans don't have a say. Live here and then reply, but otherwise, don't bother trying to say what we should do in order to keep our jobs.[/QUOTE]
We Americans are in the same boat as you are Das Englander. In fact, my brother was both an employer of unskilled immigrant work during the housing boom and a complainer of people using unskilled immigrant work after his project went under during the housing collapse. Furthermore, I would like a source on that "work for literally pennies" statement. I thought the UK actually had first world amenities such as a minimum wage, but apparently I stand corrected.
I would also like a source on the laws preventing non-immigrants from getting the same or similar benefits as your polish immigrants while I'm at it.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527770]-snip-
and that is just social security.[/QUOTE]
No dude, that was totes before the UK gubment decided that citizens were less than immigrants and changed it so that only polish people got those benefits. If you'd like I can bring other people into the conversation to confirm that!!
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;34526886]I know me and him aren't the whole of Britian but I agree with what he said. I as well as pretty much all my mates and family do not want them here.
I was replaced by a polish immigrant in my last job as a helpdesk technician getting payed £7.50 an hour. I wonder why they hired someone from such a poor country?[/QUOTE]
Poland isn't a poor country.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34527770]I KNOW HOW TO COPY AND PASTE LOL :smile:[/QUOTE]
If you have children/full time work/married atleast 3/4 of those are gone.
War widows pension, are you serious?
Stop googling benefits going onto the first article and then copypasting, think of a valid argument or gtfo.
[QUOTE='[CWG]RustySpannerz;34518848']Uh... Don't most countries have policies like this. I mean to migrate to Australia you need something like over $500,000 of personal assets.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't sound right at all.
You can move here if you're a skilled worker who will be employed between one day and four years, for four years before you have to renew. You can bring over your family, including same-sex partners, and apply for citizenship.
If you're a student, your parents can come over, and you just need to be accepted into a course here to be eligible for a student visa.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527806]If you have children/full time work/married atleast 3/4 of those are gone.[/QUOTE]
If that was the case, why you even need 3/4s of them?
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527806]
Stop googling benefits going onto the first article and then copypasting, think of a valid argument or gtfo.[/QUOTE]
Uh, he was arguing against the claim that UK citizens get "fuck all." Clearly he proved that UK citizens do in fact get more than fuck all. Plug in your puzzle-orb please.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34527787]We Americans are in the same boat as you are Das Englander. In fact, my brother was both an employer of unskilled immigrant work during the housing boom and a complainer of people using unskilled immigrant work after his project went under during the housing collapse. Furthermore, I would like a source on that "work for literally pennies" statement. I thought the UK actually had first world amenities such as a minimum wage, but apparently I stand corrected.
I would also like a source on the laws preventing non-immigrants from getting the same or similar benefits as your polish immigrants while I'm at it.
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No dude, that was totes before the UK gubment decided that citizens were less than immigrants and changed it so that only polish people got those benefits. If you'd like I can bring other people into the conversation to confirm that!![/QUOTE]
Why do you need sources for everything? Google it, I know I'm right as I've experienced it and seen my own family fired because these foreigners work for fuck all, and they work for fuck all because of the benefits they receive, if you're so bothered about contradicting me, do the work yourself. You can fuck off if you think I'm going to research for you when you don't even live in my country.
Yeah. Need firstly to argue with someone from this country and secondly someone who can present a valid argument without c and p.
A couple of years ago there was a company (I think it was a steel company) and their staff went on strike because of the company's plans to import workers from Italy. They had 300 job openings and they were filling them all with Italian workers, and the reason was because they would be paying the Italian workers £6 an hour, whereas no British worker would do the same job for less than £12 an hour.
Eventually the agreed to give 150 jobs to the British at £12 an hour, and 150 jobs to the Italians at £6 an hour - the same job.
Gordon Brown said, "As the workers are coming from inside the EU the decision is down to the company as no laws are being broken, although I can understand why people may be upset over this."
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527844]Why do you need sources for everything? Google it, I know I'm right as I've experienced it and seen my own family fired because these foreigners work for fuck all, and they work for fuck all because of the benefits they receive, if you're so bothered about contradicting me, do the work yourself. You can fuck off if you think I'm going to research for you when you don't even live in my country.[/QUOTE]
But if I did your work for you then I'd be stealing your job!
[QUOTE=Erasus;34527844]I know I'm right as I've experienced it and seen my own family fired because these foreigners work for fuck all, and they work for fuck all because of the benefits they receive[/QUOTE]
What makes you think that is the reason your family was fired?
Were you present when such decisions were being made in the office?
Too much evidence piling up against you boys. Give up I think?
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