• Tesla's Model S Receives 'The Highest Owner-Satisfaction Score Consumer Reports Has Seen In Years'
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As much as I think Electric is great, I don't think it's much worth getting one yet imo until battery manufacturing becomes cheaper and more environmentally friendly imo. At the moment a factory that makes batteries for electric cars pumps out more pollution than one gas powered car (I think).
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;42946625]This is really interesting, because you can't officially buy a Tesla in Texas. Their fancy lack-of-dealer system is outlawed, which means you have to get the car out of state and bring it back.[/QUOTE] Yeah if you go to a dealer in Texas they cannot talk about sale or pricing and they make you call the California dealer and they'll ship it out here for you. It's crap be believe it or not Texas is one of the biggest EV markets in the country. Tesla tried to fight it in congress promising at least 2000 new jobs in Texas with a truck factory, and the bill had the graces of Rick Perry, but it lost momentum in the Senate. The car dealership association had a real strong lobby against it despite an overwhelming support for Tesla from Texans. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MR2;42946109]Even if I had the money for it I wouldn't get it, I'd get another car :v: [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline]he sounds like a whiny bitch with a holier-than-thou attitude so I don't know how enjoyable that would be [/QUOTE] I'm not sure what would give you that impression of him. He's an introverted physicist with a stutter and the ability to see through with his outrageous dreams. People that have worked with him directly say he's a brilliant man but very hard to work with because he's a robot and expects everyone around him to be robots too. He's got 5 kids, he's pledged to give all his wealth to charity when he dies. He gets defensive when someone attacks him but you have to be a fighter to make the first successful car startup in decades. I could go on but my finger hurts. He's not a normal human being.
[QUOTE=OvB;42943710]The battery is warmed/cooled to stay at the right temperature. Shouldn't be an issue. Probably a negligible amount of loss.[/QUOTE] And when it's -40 outside how much energy does it take to heat the battery Your car would be dead by the time you left work
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42949462]And when it's -40 outside how much energy does it take to heat the battery Your car would be dead by the time you left work[/QUOTE] The battery heats it's self from piping coolant from the motors and ESCs to the battery, as well as it's own internal resistance, if all else fails it has a heater for backup. Once the battery heats up more energy is available.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;42950040]The battery heats it's self from piping coolant from the motors and ESCs to the battery, as well as it's own internal resistance, if all else fails it has a heater for backup. Once the battery heats up more energy is available.[/QUOTE] If you work for 8 hours in the winter that heater is definitely going to be running for a large portion of that. Not a problem if your workplace has electrified parking (even standard outlets would be enough to keep the heater on) but most don't, even here where it's almost needed for gas vehicles as well.
Spoiler: They have a battery heater just like a block heater built in
[quote] Ok, here is some real world experience from three weeks of daily driving my P85 in the DC area. - You will use more energy on cold days. Cabin heat and battery pack heating use the most. Temperatures here have been in the 20s at night and 30-40F during the day. With that my average consumption has been 400 WH/mile. Not too bad but you will not get your rated mileage. When there is snow on the road this will get even worse. - The battery pack DOES care about its temperature and is actively controlled. When it gets cold it will heat the pack and that uses energy. This may not be a problem if you are plugged in but needs to be taken into account when you leave your car in the cold unplugged (airport, work, etc.). [B]When I left my car outside for 24h with temperatures ranging from low 40s to 20s I had 50 (rated) miles less the next morning. [/B](That is with the newest 4.1 firmware and sleep mode enabled.) It still works for me because my commute is 80 miles but keep this number in mind when choosing your battery pack! As soon as battery heating is involved you will not be even close to the published 1% LOC per day but much greater. - If you live in a cold climate go for the largest battery even if that means skipping options. In my experience so far I think the 40kwh battery is not going to be a viable option unless you can plug in your car whenever it is parked, ALL THE TIME. [/quote] [url]http://www.teslamotors.com/fr_CH/forum/forums/battery-efficiency-cold-climate[/url] Still waiting for Canadian and Norwegian owners to chime in. Maybe by next summer we'll have enough data over the winter to know how they respond for sure.
I can understand the satisfaction considering I probably live in the most Tesla abundant area (the factory is only 20-30 min away). I literally have not go a day on the road without seeing one for the past couple months
It's bullshit how hard people are judging Tesla for the car fires. Look at how many times EVERY OTHER KIND OF CAR has caught fire and i'm sure it's vastly more than 3. But no one gives a shit about all the Hondas or Fords that catch fire every day.
[QUOTE=greendevil;42952666]It's bullshit how hard people are judging Tesla for the car fires. Look at how many times EVERY OTHER KIND OF CAR has caught fire and i'm sure it's vastly more than 3. But no one gives a shit about all the Hondas or Fords that catch fire every day.[/QUOTE] Ford made a car that was famous for exploding, and didn't even recall it. The industry wasn't fazed in the slightest.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42953297]Ford made a car that was famous for exploding, and didn't even recall it. The industry wasn't fazed in the slightest.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgOxWPGsJNY[/media]
[QUOTE=OvB;42950892][url]http://www.teslamotors.com/fr_CH/forum/forums/battery-efficiency-cold-climate[/url] Still waiting for Canadian and Norwegian owners to chime in. Maybe by next summer we'll have enough data over the winter to know how they respond for sure.[/QUOTE] Losing 50 miles in 24 hours at -7C is... terrible
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42953415]Losing 50 miles in 24 hours at -7C is... terrible[/QUOTE] How far do you drive in a day? The car should be plugged in at home which means you'll wake up with ~250 miles of range each morning. Unless you commute over 100km a day one way you wont even notice it after its been sitting at work for 8 hours. Although you would have to factor in the colder temperatures effect on the battery which I don't know.
[QUOTE=greendevil;42952666]It's bullshit how hard people are judging Tesla for the car fires. Look at how many times EVERY OTHER KIND OF CAR has caught fire and i'm sure it's vastly more than 3. But no one gives a shit about all the Hondas or Fords that catch fire every day.[/QUOTE] They also like to completely ignore the fact that the fires were caused by accidents - two from pieces of metal piercing the [b]quarter inch plate of metal[/b] protecting the batteries, and the third from a high speed collision. They weren't just spontaneous combustion.
[QUOTE=OvB;42953539]How far do you drive in a day? The car should be plugged in at home which means you'll wake up with ~250 miles of range each morning. Unless you commute over 100km a day one way you wont even notice it after its been sitting at work for 8 hours. Although you would have to factor in the colder temperatures effect on the battery which I don't know.[/QUOTE] It's less about not having enough range to get back from work and more about the point of buying an electric car being totally defeated if you have to "refill" it daily. Why can't the battery heater have a timer? Tell it what time you'll need the car and it'll have the battery warm enough for efficient operation at that time, instead of keeping it warm all day.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42953828]It's less about not having enough range to get back from work and more about the point of buying an electric car being totally defeated if you have to "refill" it daily. Why can't the battery heater have a timer? Tell it what time you'll need the car and it'll have the battery warm enough for efficient operation at that time, instead of keeping it warm all day.[/QUOTE] I would think the ability to have a "full tank" every morning would be one of the positives of an EV. Especially since (at least as of now) electricity is generally cheaper than a full tank of gas. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] (or free if you're rich and have solar panels)
I would love to have that car but it's a wee bit over 100 000€ here, so old gas-gurgling piece-of-shit is the only thing I could afford right now. :v:
They released this today actually: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS9uDJGi52A[/media]
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