• Tea Party Milita Men intend to restore the Constitution
    164 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21441147]I think they're pissed off about Obama [i]relaxing[/i] drug laws, not enforcing them.[/QUOTE] That's my favorite policy of his, although their still raiding if local police want them to. (Their talking about the medical marijuana laws where he's not enforcing federal policy upon states)
[QUOTE=Luke510;21441599]That's my favorite policy of his, although their still raiding if local police want them to. (Their talking about the medical marijuana laws where he's not enforcing federal policy upon states)[/QUOTE] I like the idea of relaxed enforcement, but the laws on the books haven't changed. Unless legislative action is taken, my fear is that over the next few years people in California will get way too comfortable with lax enforcement. Then, when the inevitable day comes that another evangelical nutjob Republican takes office, he'll order a DEA holocaust on all the states who have relaxed their laws. So long as the laws are still on the books, Californians are living on borrowed time.
Honestly, it'd be pretty impossible to even get a fraction of the dispensaries shut down. Plus another one will just pop up for everyone you take down.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21440634]It's ironic because these rednecks are too fucking stupid to figure out that Obama has no interest in taking their guns, or really doing anything remotely related to guns. Funny how they were nowhere to be seen when the Bush administration signed the Patriot Act into law and made it perfectly legal for someone to be arrested, detained without trial, and sent to overseas prisons to be tortured based on nothing more than the word of the administration that he's a terrorist. But, hey, it can't be unconstitutional if an all-American, Texan, white male is doing it.[/QUOTE] That's because this isn't really about healthcare, which most of the tea party members don't even really know what is, it's about them thinking Obama is a socialist, which they don't know what is either, and a muslim.
[QUOTE=Luke510;21441737]Honestly, it'd be pretty impossible to even get a fraction of the dispensaries shut down. Plus another one will just pop up for everyone you take down.[/QUOTE] Bush wasted a trillion dollars and killed hundreds of thousands of people because, as he put it, "God wants me to bring freedom to the Iraqi people". If we get a real fanatic in office, they won't hesitate to blow through similar amounts of money and ruin similar numbers of lives to destroy the legalish pot industry.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21441811]That's because this isn't really about healthcare, which most of the tea party members don't even really know what is, it's about them thinking Obama is a socialist, which they don't know what is either, and a muslim.[/QUOTE] Yeah really. Sure we have free speech and all, but really the Tea Party needs to get over the fact that Obama is an American born Christian and debate the issues. They're not getting anywhere by calling him a Muslim-socialist who was born in Kenya. The Tea Party makes me look bad because sometimes people think I'm part of the Tea Party. :/
Good luck to them, really. They can't go too far.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21440742]I loved how it was the liberals bitching when the patriot act was signed, while the conservatives were immediately willing to give up their freedoms. Now that they're presented with healthcare and an improving economy? FASCISM. I don't normally like to generalize but the American right is one of the stupidest groups of people on the planet, I'm sure of it.[/QUOTE] You know a large portion of the Tea Party consists of Libertarians and Independants who were just as angry during the Bush years, but didn't get any attention because Fox News didn't give it to them, right? Now that Obama is in office, Fox was more than happy to give coverage to a movement that could damage him. More than could be said for the other networks. [editline]06:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;21441915]Yeah really. Sure we have free speech and all, but really the Tea Party needs to get over the fact that Obama is an American born Christian and debate the issues. They're not getting anywhere by calling him a Muslim-socialist who was born in Kenya. The Tea Party makes me look bad because sometimes people think I'm part of the Tea Party. :/[/QUOTE] Obama is a Christian if you consider Liberation Theology Christian. I do, but it is an extremely radical sect riven with Marxist ideas.
It will be funny if they fire any shots.
[QUOTE=smurfy;21442251]It will be funny if they fire any shots.[/QUOTE] Why would that be funny?
The Constitution is pretty Black and White... how all of this has turned into the Grayest shade of gray in the history of man kind is beyond me
If they re-establish their imperialist constitution and institute douchbag laws then I'm seceding my .24 acre property from the United States.
[quote] "We have a fundamental difference in worldview." [/quote]And this is why it is going to come to heads. I am an extreme Libertarian/Anarchist. I am very sympathetic with much of the Tea Party crowd. I cannot understand the ideas of leftists without attributing to them malice or stupidity, and judging by most of the comments here many leftists feel the same about me and my views. While most political violence in recent history has come from the left (I'm sure I'll get a swamp of disagreement on this), this is going to be huge. When we are coming at this from two fundamentally different and diametrically opposed worldviews, how can we compromise? How can we live together without one party forcing the other party into submission and imposing their views? I refuse to allow anyone to impose their will upon me. I don't care if they claim legitimacy because they managed to convince the most people to follow them, because they are strongest or have the most men in uniforms with guns, or because of some non existant "social contract". I am a sovereign individual and no one has ownership of me but myself. All taxation of my labour is left, and all control of my behaviour, so long as it does not harm anyone else, is tyranny. I don't want to force myself on anyone; I just want to be left alone. I don't live in America, but if the right rises, and I mean [I]truly[/I] rises, rather than just replacing the democrat thugs with republican thugs, I will join them wholeheartedly.
ATF? [I]"Let me guess. This isn't about the Alcohol or the Tobacco"[/I]
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;21442367]ATF? [I]"Let me guess. This isn't about the Alcohol or the Tobacco"[/I][/QUOTE] In their case, it's all three.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]While most political violence in recent history has come from the left[/QUOTE] 15 years ago today [img]http://911research.wtc7.net/non911/oklahoma/docs/britannica.jpg[/img] More right-wing political violence: [img]http://xrlq.com/Images/9-11%20(1).bmp[/img]
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]And this is why it is going to come to heads. I am an extreme Libertarian/Anarchist. I am very sympathetic with much of the Tea Party crowd. I cannot understand the ideas of leftists without attributing to them malice or stupidity, and judging by most of the comments here many leftists feel the same about me and my views.[/quote] Malice, no. Stupidity, yes. Anarchy or libertarianism do not work in functional societies, rather, they destroy societies since "every man for himself" is the opposite of a society. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]While most political violence in recent history has come from the left (I'm sure I'll get a swamp of disagreement on this)[/quote] Worldwide? Sure, I'll run with that. Most revolutions against tyrannical dictators are done by people with left-leaning ideologies. But in the United States? Fuck no. More damage has been done by the right. Pretty much all of the domestic terror acts committed in your country have been done by what we now call the "tea-party" types. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]I refuse to allow anyone to impose their will upon me.[/quote] You are doing that any time you live under a government. Hell, you're doing that by posting on Facepunch. Your only alternative is to live in the wilderness somewhere, and even then you're probably trespassing on a national park or something. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]All taxation of my labour is left, and all control of my behaviour, so long as it does not harm anyone else, is tyranny. I don't want to force myself on anyone; I just want to be left alone.[/quote] I'm all for personal liberty. Hell, it's the original liberal ideology. But if you want to live in a society you have to follow its rules. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]I don't live in America[/QUOTE] Where do you live then
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21442436]Where do you live then[/QUOTE] libertarian paradise yeah motherfucker somalia [img]http://www.therazors-edge.com/uploads/art_somalia_militia_afp_gi.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21442468]libertarian paradise yeah motherfucker somalia [img]http://www.therazors-edge.com/uploads/art_somalia_militia_afp_gi.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] well I'm definitely convinced libertarianism is the way of the future
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]I refuse to allow anyone to impose their will upon me. I don't care if they claim legitimacy because they managed to convince the most people to follow them, because they are strongest or have the most men in uniforms with guns, or because of some non existant "social contract". I am a sovereign individual and no one has ownership of me but myself. [/QUOTE] that is all great in theory bro, but without government regulation, large corporations will instill the kind of control over you that you fear from the government. Business is not any different from Government, they are both large organizations capable of oppressing people. The government, through legal means; businesses through market control. This isn't a hypothetical, it was prominent in America until socialist motivated reforms in the 1920's and 1930's. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_system]Read here,[/url] [url=http://www.perryopolis.com/sjcompanystore.shtml]and here.[/url] When unregulated, businesses can be just as oppressive as any government. Every functioning society in the world is based on a combination of the two. A regulated market intended to allow enterprise but, at the same time, prevent human rights abuses at the hands of businesses.
[quote] President Barack Obama on Monday received a failing grade from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence for running away from gun control. The group, which endorsed Obama in 2008, gave him an “F” on every issue it scored, including background checks, gun trafficking, guns in public, the federal assault weapons ban, standing up to the gun lobby and leadership.[/quote] oops
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;21442631]oops[/QUOTE] Anyone who thinks Obama will be able to tighten gun control in this political climate is deluded.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21442644]Anyone who thinks Obama will be able to tighten gun control in this political climate is deluded.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/17/obama-defends-bush-rule-permitting-guns-national-parks/[/url] lol
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21441852]Bush wasted a trillion dollars and killed hundreds of thousands of people because, as he put it, "God wants me to bring freedom to the Iraqi people". If we get a real fanatic in office, they won't hesitate to blow through similar amounts of money and ruin similar numbers of lives to destroy the legalish pot industry.[/QUOTE] I don't know, medical marijuana is supported by a majority of Americans and i'd hope that even republicans would see it as a waste of government funding.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21442517]that is all great in theory bro, but without government regulation, large corporations will instill the kind of control over you that you fear from the government. Business is not any different from Government, they are both large organizations capable of oppressing people. The government, through legal means; businesses through market control. This isn't a hypothetical, it was prominent in America until socialist motivated reforms in the 1920's and 1930's. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_system"]Read here,[/URL] [URL="http://www.perryopolis.com/sjcompanystore.shtml"]and here.[/URL] When unregulated, businesses can be just as oppressive as any government. Every functioning society in the world is based on a combination of the two. A regulated market intended to allow enterprise but, at the same time, prevent human rights abuses at the hands of businesses.[/QUOTE] Businesses are only oppressive when they get in bed with the state. Without the state making laws and regulations that allow corporations to exist in their present form, that give them exceptions under the law, limited liability, and personhood, and so long as politicians exist to be greased by politicians, business is tyrannical. Without the everpowerful apparatus of the corporatist state to support them, businesses cannot control us. They cannot force us to buy their products. McDonalds doesn't force me to eat their hamburgers; I eat them because I find them delicious, and the fact that they are so large and successful is only indicative that lots of people agree with me. [editline]07:57AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;21442498]well I'm definitely convinced libertarianism is the way of the future[/QUOTE] The core doctrine of Libertarianism is the golden rule. The defining characteristic of Anarchism is the non-aggression axiom. Anarchy = no heirarchy. Somalia = chaos. Learn the difference between anomie and anarchy.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442755]Businesses are only oppressive when they get in bed with the state. [/quote] No, businesses are oppressive when they don't have anti-trust laws to regulate them and they buy each other out, form a superconglomerate monopoly, and prevent any other businesses from starting up. Suddenly you have a new government, and it's called KWalMcDonaldKingFord-BenzExxon Inc. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442755]They cannot force us to buy their products.[/quote] Yes they can, by doing what I said above. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442755]McDonalds doesn't force me to eat their hamburgers; I eat them because I find them delicious, and the fact that they are so large and successful is only indicative that lots of people agree with me.[/quote] That may apply to restaurants, but companies like Walmart are successful because they force everyone else out of business by undercutting their prices. And they can only do this because they're so big. It's a vicious cycle that proves regulation is necessary. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442755]The core doctrine of Libertarianism is the golden rule.[/quote] No, the core doctrine of libertarianism is "survival of the fittest". But because we are humans and not wolves, "fittest" is decided by who has the most money. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442755]The defining characteristic of Anarchism is the non-aggression axiom.[/quote] No, the defining characteristic of anarchism, as demonstrated by every anarchistic society throughout history, is total chaos. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442755]Anarchy = no heirarchy. Somalia = chaos.[/QUOTE] Of course anarchy will end up with a hierarchy. It'll look like this: Guy with 1000 guns Guy with 100 guns Guy with 10 guns Guy with one gun People who are slaves to the above
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21442436]Malice, no. Stupidity, yes. Anarchy or libertarianism do not work in functional societies, rather, they destroy societies since "every man for himself" is the opposite of a society. [/quote] Who said every man for himself? Nothing wrong with people banding together and helping each other to survive. What is wrong is FORCING people to do that. If someone wants to be left alone, leave them the fuck alone. [Quote]Worldwide? Sure, I'll run with that. Most revolutions against tyrannical dictators are done by people with left-leaning ideologies. But in the United States? Fuck no. More damage has been done by the right. Pretty much all of the domestic terror acts committed in your country have been done by what we now call the "tea-party" types. [/quote] Wrong. The highest casualty domestic terror attack committed in the U.S.A was committed by a right winger. That doesn't mean most terror comes from the right. Left wing domestic terror groups that have operated in recent history in the U.S, and that committed murders, robberies, assaults, bombings, arson, vandalism, property destruction, kidnapping and other terrorist acts include the Weather Underground (bet y'all saw that coming), the Black Liberation Army, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Black Panther Party, the New Black Panther Party, Republic of New Afrika, US Organization, the May 19th communist movement, Revolutionary Action Movement, United Freedom Front, the Brown Berets, there was the Sterling Hall bombing, there was Sam Melville, there are ELF and ALF, who only really engage in property destruction but if the Tea Partiers did it you know you would hear no end to it, Lee Harvey Oswald was an avowed Marxist, and going back a little farther we have the McNamara Brothers, the Galleanist left wing "anarchists", Alexander Berkman, Leon Czolgosz. Recently we have seen quite a few window smashings from the left as well as the right. A republican couple were beaten up apparently for wearing Sarah Palin pins in New Orleans. Back in 2002 Andrew Mickel assassinated a cop to protest "corporate irresponsibility" and to try and kick start the revolution. Not to mention the actions of leftist "demonstrators" at every single G7/8/20/WTO/WHATEVER conference. Massive amounts of property damage, fights with and bombs sometimes thrown at police, people in business outfits beaten on the street. The media treats all this with a very passe attitude, whereas if the Tea Partiers carried on in the same way it would be breaking news for weeks and they wouldn't live it down. [Quote] You are doing that any time you live under a government. Hell, you're doing that by posting on Facepunch. Your only alternative is to live in the wilderness somewhere, and even then you're probably trespassing on a national park or something. [/quote] You don't seem to understand the concept of "voluntary". By posting on facebook I have agreed to submit to the terms of service. If I decide I don't like it I can up and leave. No one is imposing their will on me. You are right that by living under a gov. I am constantly being imposed upon. That's why I'm an anarchist; that's why I want to change the existing order. [Quote] I'm all for personal liberty. Hell, it's the original liberal ideology. But if you want to live in a society you have to follow its rules. [/quote] I want to live in a society where the only rule is the golden rule. That society doesn't exist. I do my best to maximize personal liberty in my daily life. I can take a lot of shit, but if there coagulates an actual determined movement of people with my ideals I am going to do my best to join them and try and make positive change, rather than Obama's change, the change being an even larger and more intrusive state than already existed in the U.S Where do you live then[/QUOTE] Canada. We have laxer drug laws but shitty gun laws. Our healthcare system is a bogged down mess (you guys will have a whole lot of fun waiting 2 years for back surgery on your herniated disc which is so bad you can't stand for more than 10 minutes, and then seeing astronauts and hockey players with similar problems bumped above you on the waiting list because they are apparently more important to "good of society") Recently we were ranked higher than the U.S in economic freedom by the Heritage institute. Assuming it's accurate, that's pretty cool.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]Who said every man for himself? Nothing wrong with people banding together and helping each other to survive. What is wrong is FORCING people to do that. If someone wants to be left alone, leave them the fuck alone. Wrong. The highest casualty domestic terror attack committed in the U.S.A was committed by a right winger. That doesn't mean most terror comes from the right. Left wing domestic terror groups that have operated in recent history in the U.S, and that committed murders, robberies, assaults, bombings, arson, vandalism, property destruction, kidnapping and other terrorist acts include the Weather Underground (bet y'all saw that coming), the Black Liberation Army, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Black Panther Party, the New Black Panther Party, Republic of New Afrika, US Organization, the May 19th communist movement, Revolutionary Action Movement, United Freedom Front, the Brown Berets, there was the Sterling Hall bombing, there was Sam Melville, there are ELF and ALF, who only really engage in property destruction but if the Tea Partiers did it you know you would hear no end to it, Lee Harvey Oswald was an avowed Marxist, and going back a little farther we have the McNamara Brothers, the Galleanist left wing "anarchists", Alexander Berkman, Leon Czolgosz. Recently we have seen quite a few window smashings from the left as well as the right. A republican couple were beaten up apparently for wearing Sarah Palin pins in New Orleans. Back in 2002 Andrew Mickel assassinated a cop to protest "corporate irresponsibility" and to try and kick start the revolution. Not to mention the actions of leftist "demonstrators" at every single G7/8/20/WTO/WHATEVER conference. Massive amounts of property damage, fights with and bombs sometimes thrown at police, people in business outfits beaten on the street. The media treats all this with a very passe attitude, whereas if the Tea Partiers carried on in the same way it would be breaking news for weeks and they wouldn't live it down. You don't seem to understand the concept of "voluntary". By posting on facebook I have agreed to submit to the terms of service. If I decide I don't like it I can up and leave. No one is imposing their will on me. You are right that by living under a gov. I am constantly being imposed upon. That's why I'm an anarchist; that's why I want to change the existing order. I want to live in a society where the only rule is the golden rule. That society doesn't exist. I do my best to maximize personal liberty in my daily life. I can take a lot of shit, but if there coagulates an actual determined movement of people with my ideals I am going to do my best to join them and try and make positive change, rather than Obama's change, the change being an even larger and more intrusive state than already existed in the U.S Where do you live then[/QUOTE] Canada. We have laxer drug laws but shitty gun laws. Our healthcare system is a bogged down mess (you guys will have a whole lot of fun waiting 2 years for back surgery on your herniated disc which is so bad you can't stand for more than 10 minutes, and then seeing astronauts and hockey players with similar problems bumped above you on the waiting list because they are apparently more important to "good of society") Recently we were ranked higher than the U.S in economic freedom by the Heritage institute. Assuming it's accurate, that's pretty cool.[/QUOTE] I'm ignoring everything you say here but the canada bit because it shows how ignorant you are. Also, Zeke is a canadian. The thing is, there's more regulation here on certain industries and you didn't realize this? Anarchism, True capitalism and libertarianistic views? Those don't work in the real world. We've seen this before, and we're seeing it now.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21442811]No, businesses are oppressive when they don't have anti-trust laws to regulate them and they buy each other out, form a superconglomerate monopoly, and prevent any other businesses from starting up. Suddenly you have a new government, and it's called KWalMcDonaldKingFord-BenzExxon Inc. [/QUOTE] You realize that said businesses only exist in their current form because of state fiat? [quote] Yes they can, by doing what I said above. [/quote] And like I said, those kind of operations cannot exist without state fiat. There are special laws that allow them to exist. Companies only get powerful because people go there. If companies start fucking people over, they will stop going there and said company will lose their power. The fact remains that unless that company sends men with guns to force me to buy their product, they have no power over me. Are you saying this is what is going to happen in a free market society? [quote]That may apply to restaurants, but companies like Walmart are successful because they force everyone else out of business by undercutting their prices. And they can only do this because they're so big. It's a vicious cycle that proves regulation is necessary. [/quote] How did walmart get so big in the first place? Competition is tough, but no one said freedom had to be fair. In fact you cannot have freedom and fairness or equality of outcome. The two are mutually exclusive [quote] No, the core doctrine of libertarianism is "survival of the fittest". But because we are humans and not wolves, "fittest" is decided by who has the most money. [/quote] Libertarianism is based on the idea that you own yourself, and no one else has the right to impose their will on you. That is the golden rule. I'm not even going to argue this point any further with you. You are wrong. [quote] No, the defining characteristic of anarchism, as demonstrated by every anarchistic society throughout history, is total chaos Of course anarchy will end up with a hierarchy. It'll look like this: Guy with 1000 guns Guy with 100 guns Guy with 10 guns Guy with one gun People who are slaves to the above[/quote] Freedom requires constant vigilance. I'm not one of those people who wants freedom as means to ends such as wealth or safety. Freedom is the end. [editline]08:26AM[/editline] [Quote]I'm ignoring everything you say here but the canada bit because it shows how ignorant you are. Also, Zeke is a canadian. The thing is, there's more regulation here on certain industries and you didn't realize this? Anarchism, True capitalism and libertarianistic views? Those don't work in the real world. We've seen this before, and we're seeing it now.[/QUOTE] We've never once seen an Anarchistic or Libertarian society. I guess you didn't read what I said clearly: Recently we were ranked higher than the U.S in economic freedom by the Heritage institute. [b]Assuming it's accurate[/b], that's pretty cool. Considering the Heritage society are chiefly concerned with economic freedom, I have no reason to distrust their analysis. [editline]08:26AM[/editline] Ignoring everything I say is a great debate tactic ;) keep it up. [editline]08:26AM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21442430]15 years ago today [IMG]http://911research.wtc7.net/non911/oklahoma/docs/britannica.jpg[/IMG] More right-wing political violence: [IMG]http://xrlq.com/Images/9-11%20%281%29.bmp[/IMG][/QUOTE] Define right wing and explain how Islamic fundamentalists fit into that definition.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]Nothing wrong with people banding together and helping each other to survive.[/quote] Yes, let's have gangs patrolling the streets with absolutely no oversight. That'll end well. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]Left wing domestic terror groups that have operated in recent history in the U.S, and that committed murders, robberies, assaults, bombings, arson, vandalism, property destruction, kidnapping and other terrorist acts include the Weather Underground (bet y'all saw that coming), the Black Liberation Army, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Black Panther Party, the New Black Panther Party, Republic of New Afrika, US Organization, the May 19th communist movement, Revolutionary Action Movement, United Freedom Front, the Brown Berets, there was the Sterling Hall bombing, there was Sam Melville, there are ELF and ALF, who only really engage in property destruction but if the Tea Partiers did it you know you would hear no end to it, Lee Harvey Oswald was an avowed Marxist, and going back a little farther we have the McNamara Brothers, the Galleanist left wing "anarchists", Alexander Berkman, Leon Czolgosz. Recently we have seen quite a few window smashings from the left as well as the right. A republican couple were beaten up apparently for wearing Sarah Palin pins in New Orleans. Back in 2002 Andrew Mickel assassinated a cop to protest "corporate irresponsibility" and to try and kick start the revolution. Not to mention the actions of leftist "demonstrators" at every single G7/8/20/WTO/WHATEVER conference. Massive amounts of property damage, fights with and bombs sometimes thrown at police, people in business outfits beaten on the street. The media treats all this with a very passe attitude, whereas if the Tea Partiers carried on in the same way it would be breaking news for weeks and they wouldn't live it down.[/quote] I'm hearing a lot of left-wing terrorist organizations but I'm not seeing crime stats. You made the claim that the left is more violent than the right so the onus is on you to prove it. Keep in mind that property damage isn't the same as blowing up an entire building and killing people. (World Trade Center, anyone?) [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]I want to live in a society where the only rule is the golden rule.[/quote] You want to live in a society where murderers are summarily executed in the streets? Where thieves lose their hands? Where being disabled causes you to be thrown aside? Where being unemployed will result in you rotting in the streets? Because that's what a society that uses only the golden rule will devolve into. Humans are cruel beings. Your idealistic anarchy dream world will not work. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]I do my best to maximize personal liberty in my daily life.[/quote] Okay. So tell me, what freedoms do you not currently have that you wish you did have? As a fellow Canadian, I'm guessing you want easier access to guns. Fair enough. Anything else? [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]We have laxer drug laws but shitty gun laws.[/quote] Compare our per capita gun ownership to the United States, and then look at gun crime. You'll see that our "shitty gun laws" work. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]Our healthcare system is a bogged down mess (you guys will have a whole lot of fun waiting 2 years for back surgery on your herniated disc which is so bad you can't stand for more than 10 minutes, and then seeing astronauts and hockey players with similar problems bumped above you on the waiting list because they are apparently more important to "good of society")[/quote] You're talking out of your ass now. Having a stupid opinion is one thing, lying to make yourself seem more credible is quite another. Our healthcare system is triaged, meaning it doesn't matter who you are. You will be seen in order of severity. Hospitals make no more money treating an astronaut than you so until I see a source backing up these insane claims I'm calling bullshit. And while we're spewing anecdotes, I know someone with a herniated disc that waited three weeks, not two years. You can choose to not believe it if you want, since I don't have a source either. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442854]Recently we were ranked higher than the U.S in economic freedom by the Heritage institute. Assuming it's accurate, that's pretty cool.[/QUOTE] We're ranked higher than the US in pretty much everything except military strength and population.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.