• Tea Party Milita Men intend to restore the Constitution
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Every coercive monopoly has been created by the government, through special privilages like subsidies and franchises which close the entry of competitors into a given field. No coercive monopoly has ever been created in a free market, it is impossible and a fallacy. Every coercive monopoly has been created by the state, which turns around when SHTF and the government points the finger at the free market as the cause of a problem they themselves created, and use that as an excuse to heap even more controlling regulation on top of an already untenable system.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442937]You realize that said businesses only exist in their current form because of state fiat?[/quote] Elaborate. That seems like a gross oversimplification to me. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442937]The fact remains that unless that company sends men with guns to force me to buy their product, they have no power over me. Are you saying this is what is going to happen in a free market society?[/quote] No, I'm saying that competition will disappear and THAT'S what will force you to buy their products. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442937]How did walmart get so big in the first place? [/quote] Because someone walked away from their Free Market Playset for too long and when they got back shit was out of control. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442937]Libertarianism is based on the idea that you own yourself, and no one else has the right to impose their will on you. That is the golden rule. I'm not even going to argue this point any further with you. You are wrong.[/quote] I'm not debating your definition of libertarianism, I'm talking about why it won't work in the end. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21442937]Freedom requires constant vigilance. I'm not one of those people who wants freedom as means to ends such as wealth or safety. Freedom is the end.[/quote] Sounds like a manifesto. Don't go blowing yourself in the CRA HQ now. I got a gigantic tax return this year so I'm quite happy with those guys. [editline]03:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443025]No coercive monopoly has ever been created in a free market[/QUOTE] Oh dear Where's that JPG of the guy about to say something but then walking away? You think monopolies are easily formed NOW? Just see what happens without oversight.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21443004]Yes, let's have gangs patrolling the streets with absolutely no oversight. That'll end well. [/QUOTE] Like I said, freedom requires constant vigilance. Unless most people are inherently savage, and the only thing stopping us all from ripping each others throats out is ink on paper, then it wouldn't be a huge issue. Anarchy cannot be brought about by force; that's when you end up with Somalia. It has to be a natural and willing process. The people have to want it, rather than just wanting the ability to put their chosen group of oligarchs into power. [quote] I'm hearing a lot of left-wing terrorist organizations but I'm not seeing crime stats. You made the claim that the left is more violent than the right so the onus is on you to prove it. Keep in mind that property damage isn't the same as blowing up an entire building and killing people. (World Trade Center, anyone?)[/quote]Why do leftists confine violence to body counts? I didn't claim the left in America has a higher body count than the right (although if it wasn't for Tim Mcveigh that would be a fact; Moslem terrorists are not right wing; they are not for small government or individual liberty). Violence is violence. You cannot deny that if the Tea Partiers acted like animal rights groups have in the past couple years (which includes millions of dollars in damages in bombing and arson attacks) the demonization of them would never end. If TPers burned out unoccupied democratic offices and the like, you think it would be treated with the same blase attitude by the MSM as ALF nutters? [quote] You want to live in a society where murderers are summarily executed in the streets? Where thieves lose their hands? Where being disabled causes you to be thrown aside? Where being unemployed will result in you rotting in the streets? Because that's what a society that uses only the golden rule will devolve into. Humans are cruel beings. Your idealistic anarchy dream world will not work. [/quote]Again, you know nothing of anarchy. Anarchy means no heirarchy. Anarchy is not the same as Chaos. I don't know why you think I want to live under Shariah law. I believe in Castle Law. If someone breaks into my house or otherwise fucks with me, I have the right to shoot them, up to and including dead. The moment you decide to fuck with someone, you also make the decision, whether consciously or not, that the risk is worth your life. If you want increase your chances of not dying, don't fuck with other people. When I say the golden rule, I mean the non-aggression axiom, not the biblical "eye for an eye". I mean DO UNTO OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED, not DO UNTO OTHERS THE WAY THEY TREAT YOU. That also doesn't mean pacifism. I support the fundamental right to self defense, not capital punishment. Seriously, why can't you grasp the difference there? [quote]Okay. So tell me, what freedoms do you not currently have that you wish you did have? As a fellow Canadian, I'm guessing you want easier access to guns. Fair enough. Anything else?[/quote]Guns, yeah. and the right to self defense. We also don't have a fundamental right to free speech. It is a privelage gifted by government bureaucrats. [quote]Compare our per capita gun ownership to the United States, and then look at gun crime. You'll see that our "shitty gun laws" work.[/quote]Try comparing states like vermont, which have lax gun laws, to states like maryland, which have strict gun control, if you want an accurate picture of gun legality and aggressive crime. [Quote] You're talking out of your ass now. Having a stupid opinion is one thing, lying to make yourself seem more credible is quite another. Our healthcare system is triaged, meaning it doesn't matter who you are. You will be seen in order of severity. Hospitals make no more money treating an astronaut than you so until I see a source backing up these insane claims I'm calling bullshit. And while we're spewing anecdotes, I know someone with a herniated disc that waited three weeks, not two years. You can choose to not believe it if you want, since I don't have a source either. [/Quote]The source was my uncle. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. I know anecdotes mean nothing when it comes to scientific theory, but it was enough for me. 2 years was a bit of an exaggeration. It was 1.75 years. [Quote]We're ranked higher than the US in pretty much everything except military strength and population.[/Quote]Yep, we do the welfare state pretty damn good up here. Everything you say to me only cements in my mind that we have reached an impass. Myself and the folks who comprise the Tea Party movement (and there are shitload of them) cannot and will not live in a society with you. We are fundamentally opposed on every level. [editline]08:56AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;21443041]Elaborate. That seems like a gross oversimplification to me. No, I'm saying that competition will disappear and THAT'S what will force you to buy their products. Because someone walked away from their Free Market Playset for too long and when they got back shit was out of control. I'm not debating your definition of libertarianism, I'm talking about why it won't work in the end. Sounds like a manifesto. Don't go blowing yourself in the CRA HQ now. I got a gigantic tax return this year so I'm quite happy with those guys. [editline]03:38AM[/editline] Oh dear Where's that JPG of the guy about to say something but then walking away? You think monopolies are easily formed NOW? Just see what happens without oversight.[/QUOTE] As you may have noticed in my previous post (although I admit it is hard to tell in text and I myself may be misinterpreting your posts), your seemingly condescending attitude is starting to get on my nerves. Maybe it's the 24 hours of no sleep. That's why we have reached an impass. You treat me like a murderer in waiting or a stupid child. I can't deal with you or people like you. I just want to be left alone, but you don't feel I should be. It almost brings tears to my eyes. it's 1 to 5. goodnight
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]Anarchy cannot be brought about by force; that's when you end up with Somalia. It has to be a natural and willing process. The people have to want it, rather than just wanting the ability to put their chosen group of oligarchs into power.[/quote] Fair enough. Unfortunately for you, most people don't want it. And many of the people who do would simply exploit it to turn themselves into a ruthless dictator. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]You cannot deny that if the Tea Partiers acted like animal rights groups have in the past couple years (which includes millions of dollars in damages in bombing and arson attacks) the demonization of them would never end. If TPers burned out unoccupied democratic offices and the like, you think it would be treated with the same blase attitude by the MSM as ALF nutters?[/quote] Are you trying to say that MSM and ALF are [b]not[/b] demonized? But some of the difference in media coverage comes from that fact that so many of the tea partiers are racist bigoted douchebags who don't know the US constitution from their ass. It doesn't help that it's a primarily christian organization trying to push their religious agenda under the guise of "traditional values". [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]When I say the golden rule, I mean the non-aggression axiom, not the biblical "eye for an eye". I mean DO UNTO OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED, not DO UNTO OTHERS THE WAY THEY TREAT YOU. That also doesn't mean pacifism. I support the fundamental right to self defense, not capital punishment. Seriously, why can't you grasp the difference there?[/quote] I see the difference, but upon implementation people sure won't. Like I said, we're a savage bunch of people with a voracious appetite for money and power. Any anarchist society with more than a few hundred people will turn into a dictatorship in no time flat. Either that or everyone will just end up killing everyone else. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]Guns, yeah. and the right to self defense. We also don't have a fundamental right to free speech. It is a privelage gifted by government bureaucrats.[/quote] I don't have much of an issue with our current "equal or lesser force" self-defence laws, since it's up to a jury in the end to decide whether or not you went over the line. Have injustices happened in the past? Absolutely. And frankly, if I had a shotgun and someone came at me with a knife I'd most likely use the shotgun without any regrets. About free speech, no nation has truly free speech. You can't slander people, you can't instigate a riot, stuff like that. Some of our hate speech laws should go though, I'll agree with you there. And honestly, I'll probably agree with lots of your views when it comes to personal liberty. I'm just able to acknowledge that personal liberty shouldn't apply to corporations. When you run a company, you run a large group of people and hold sway over a chunk of society. Power like that needs to be kept in check, and a democratically-elected government is the best way to do this. Pure capitalism without any safeguards causes a downright mess, and "the invisible hand of the market" doesn't count as a safeguard. People aren't honest enough for that. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]Try comparing states like vermont, which have lax gun laws, to states like maryland, which have strict gun control, if you want an accurate picture of gun legality and aggressive crime.[/quote] Why is comparing two states more accurate than comparing two countries? [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]The source was my uncle. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. I know anecdotes mean nothing when it comes to scientific theory, but it was enough for me. 2 years was a bit of an exaggeration. It was 1.75 years.[/quote] I don't doubt your story about the wait, shit happens. My issue is with your argument that rich people get to go first. Something like that would have hit the news and I just can't find it. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]Yep, we do the welfare state pretty damn good up here. [/quote] Be thankful you're here instead of say, Sweden. Your head would explode. Me? I admire the Scandinavian governments. There's a reason why those countries are ranked so highly. (Protip: It's because social democracies work) [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]Everything you say to me only cements in my mind that we have reached an impass. Myself and the folks who comprise the Tea Party movement (and there are shitload of them) cannot and will not live in a society with you. We are fundamentally opposed on every level.[/QUOTE] You seem to be one of the more intelligent right-wingers I've seen around here so don't associate yourself with the teabaggers - for your own sake. [editline]04:15AM[/editline] [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]As you may have noticed in my previous post (although I admit it is hard to tell in text and I myself may be misinterpreting your posts), your seemingly condescending attitude is starting to get on my nerves. Maybe it's the 24 hours of no sleep.[/quote] I always have a condescending attitude when I'm not just trying to be funny. It's not that I think I'm any better than you, it's that I think my [i]arguments[/i] are better than yours. A rather appropriate position to take, no? [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]That's why we have reached an impass. You treat me like a murderer in waiting or a stupid child.[/quote] And you treat me like some government shill combined with a tree-hugging hippie. I don't think we like each other's viewpoints very much. [QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104]I can't deal with you or people like you. I just want to be left alone, but you don't feel I should be. It almost brings tears to my eyes.[/QUOTE] Your ideology is fine in small groups but it is damaging to a large and functional society like this one. Your best bet would be to find some aboriginal ancestry in your family and move to a reserve. Then you can see what happens to a society that distances itself from "the man".
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21443025]Every coercive monopoly has been created by the government, through special privilages like subsidies and franchises which close the entry of competitors into a given field. No coercive monopoly has ever been created in a free market, it is impossible and a fallacy. Every coercive monopoly has been created by the state, which turns around when SHTF and the government points the finger at the free market as the cause of a problem they themselves created, and use that as an excuse to heap even more controlling regulation on top of an already untenable system.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking kidding me? Goverments regularly stop companies from gaining complete monopoly.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21443295]Are you fucking kidding me? Goverments regularly stop companies from gaining complete monopoly.[/QUOTE] He hasn't taken Government in school yet. Just ignore him. Debate with him again when he graduates and has some idea of what he's talking about.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;21443468]He hasn't taken Government in school yet. Just ignore him. Debate with him again when he graduates and has some idea of what he's talking about.[/QUOTE] I read all his posts thoroughly, and I think he DOES know what he's talking about. That's why it's scary.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21443489]I read all his posts thoroughly, and I think he DOES know what he's talking about. That's why it's scary.[/QUOTE] If that man is out of highschool, and or has anything higher than an F in Government, I'll eat every pair of underwear and every hat I own. I'll even videotape myself doing it and post it here.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442196] Obama is a Christian if you consider Liberation Theology Christian. I do, but it is an extremely radical sect riven with Marxist ideas.[/QUOTE] That's ridiculous. Liberation theology is hardly marxist, unless you consider anything that helps the poor and mistreated a 'marxist idea' (not that you would know what that is). Liberation theology is progressive and just another group born out of the non-marxist new left in the 60s/70s. It was popular with black christians because of its progressivism. It's not really a surprise obama would identify with it. The whole concept is leftist, but marxist or even a 'radical sect' is a gigantic stretch. [editline]12:55PM[/editline] Oh you're a libertarian. What a surprise.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442196]Obama is a Christian if you consider Liberation Theology Christian. I do, but it is an extremely radical sect riven with Marxist ideas.[/QUOTE] oh my god you are ludicrous then again I guess Tolstoyan things like "emancipated labor" and "pacifism" are pretty marxist if you go by the american definition...
[QUOTE=TheTalon;21442334]The Constitution is pretty Black and White... how all of this has turned into the Grayest shade of gray in the history of man kind is beyond me[/QUOTE] The constitution was designed specifically NOT to be black and white. Good ol' Jefferson and the rest of his buddy framers knew that times changes and so the constitution was developed to reflect this. That's why its good that our constitution has turned into the grayest gray since we discovered moondust. Brandishing a firearm in Washington D.C, however, is just going to get the FBI on you. [editline]06:27PM[/editline] and then i scrolled up, saw the political shitstorm debate, and :sigh:'d
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21442362]And this is why it is going to come to heads. I am an extreme Libertarian/Anarchist. I am very sympathetic with much of the Tea Party crowd. I cannot understand the ideas of leftists without attributing to them malice or stupidity, and judging by most of the comments here many leftists feel the same about me and my views. While most political violence in recent history has come from the left (I'm sure I'll get a swamp of disagreement on this), this is going to be huge. When we are coming at this from two fundamentally different and diametrically opposed worldviews, how can we compromise? How can we live together without one party forcing the other party into submission and imposing their views? I refuse to allow anyone to impose their will upon me. I don't care if they claim legitimacy because they managed to convince the most people to follow them, because they are strongest or have the most men in uniforms with guns, or because of some non existant "social contract". I am a sovereign individual and no one has ownership of me but myself. All taxation of my labour is left, and all control of my behaviour, so long as it does not harm anyone else, is tyranny. I don't want to force myself on anyone; I just want to be left alone. I don't live in America, but if the right rises, and I mean [I]truly[/I] rises, rather than just replacing the democrat thugs with republican thugs, I will join them wholeheartedly.[/QUOTE] "Rising" as you call it is imposing yourself upon others, violating your own god damn ideals. There are reasonable and effective methods of propagating change in any reasonably free country. Yet you just want to bust some caps because they disagree with you. You are the fascist, you are the dick.
beware the jorts army
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;21443502]If that man is out of highschool, and or has anything higher than an F in Government, I'll eat every pair of underwear and every hat I own. I'll even videotape myself doing it and post it here.[/QUOTE] I want to see this.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21443104] Yep, we do the welfare state pretty damn good up here. Everything you say to me only cements in my mind that we have reached an impass. Myself and the folks who comprise the Tea Party movement (and there are shitload of them) cannot and will not live in a society with you. We are fundamentally opposed on every level. [editline]08:56AM[/editline] As you may have noticed in my previous post (although I admit it is hard to tell in text and I myself may be misinterpreting your posts), your seemingly condescending attitude is starting to get on my nerves. Maybe it's the 24 hours of no sleep. That's why we have reached an impass. You treat me like a murderer in waiting or a stupid child. I can't deal with you or people like you. I just want to be left alone, but you don't feel I should be. It almost brings tears to my eyes. it's 1 to 5. goodnight[/QUOTE] I`m surprised no ones pointed out the fact you contradict your own view here. You want a violent rebellion to change things to your way, violating the "Leave me the fuck alone" part. You and your family don't want to live in a society? Ok, leave. Because I know for a fact, you've used and you've applied, and you've received state, and government help. You HAVE, and you really can't deny it. Everyone has.
I respect their right to carry firearms in addition to their right to protest. But that doesn't make them any less stupid. :colbert: [editline]03:59PM[/editline] Oh jeez the argument above... Big government and large restrictions on the business sector are bad, kay. But not government and no restrictions are just as bad.
[QUOTE=Billiam;21450817]I respect their right to carry firearms in addition to their right to protest. But that doesn't make them any less stupid. :colbert: [editline]03:59PM[/editline] Oh jeez the argument above... Big government and large restrictions on the business sector are bad, kay. But not government and no restrictions are just as bad.[/QUOTE] I think we mostly agree with you on that point.
[QUOTE=StickyNade;21449159]The constitution was designed specifically NOT to be black and white. Good ol' Jefferson and the rest of his buddy framers knew that times changes and so the constitution was developed to reflect this. That's why its good that our constitution has turned into the grayest gray since we discovered moondust. Brandishing a firearm in Washington D.C, however, is just going to get the FBI on you. [editline]06:27PM[/editline] and then i scrolled up, saw the political shitstorm debate, and :sigh:'d[/QUOTE] But the constitution gives us rights that flat out say what they are. Right to Assemble, free speech, bare arms, and those are starting to get really watered down, I like that they legalized that you can carry on National parks now though, but so many people say Guns are the result of all this crime and try to do away with it and make the argument that because of a single comma and its location, that the right to bare arms doesn't mean what it says it means Also, slowly tying Police Officer's hands through time is what increased crime... I bet if you re-instate the Fleeing Felon law crime would drop DRAMATICALLY
Uh, I saw the rally in DC today, the people were encouraged to NOT to bring their weapons.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;21451335]But the constitution gives us rights that flat out say what they are. Right to Assemble, free speech, bare arms, and those are starting to get really watered down, I like that they legalized that you can carry on National parks now though, but so many people say Guns are the result of all this crime and try to do away with it and make the argument that because of a single comma and its location, that the right to [B]bare arms [/B]doesn't mean what it says it means Also, slowly tying Police Officer's hands through time is what increased crime... I bet if you re-instate the Fleeing Felon law crime would drop DRAMATICALLY[/QUOTE] [img]http://rlv.zcache.com/the_right_to_bare_arms_attitude_tank_top_tshirt-p235789013987492367uy52_400.jpg[/img]
I'm sick of these Tea Party and militia men types. My whole family and most of the people in my area blindly follow them. What does this accomplish anyway? Let's set up outside DC with guns and live ammo that will sure show the government their place and paint a respectable image of gun owners!
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21451498][img]http://rlv.zcache.com/the_right_to_bare_arms_attitude_tank_top_tshirt-p235789013987492367uy52_400.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] The right to [B]bear [/B] arms. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fE-F7VIvYfk/Sa_jW-KsVcI/AAAAAAAABGc/4lKQs3uDkGY/s400/family%2520guy%2520bear%2520arms.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;21451600]I'm sick of these Tea Party and militia men types. My whole family and most of the people in my area blindly follow them. What does this accomplish anyway? Let's set up outside DC with guns and live ammo that will sure show the government their place and paint a respectable image of gun owners![/QUOTE] They're trying to show that they're not backing down. Not trying to paint a positive image of gun owners.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21440725][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG_9At6Vziw[/media] In before no one gets past the pictures of Hitler and watches the actual video.[/QUOTE] Understandably this was posted two pages ago but I think the Youtube comments are hilarious. [quote]Obama is actually WORSE than Hitler. Their equally as evil, but Obama has had more die* under his rule (abortions) and at least Hitler really did bring the German's out of their economic problems. I'm not defending Hitler by any means. But I am using him to place Obama into proper perspective.[/quote] Are you fucking with me? The annual abortion rate in the US is around 850,000 since 2000 (down from 1.5 million in the Clinton administration). So even then if Obama were to have a 4 year term at Clinton rates of abortion he would only still hit 6 million, the figure of Jewish people killed by Hitler in concentration camps. Hitler killed around 40 million (this is the estimated total, including the war). The person refers to Obama's rule. Chirst it's like he is supreme chancellor of the Republic of the United States. This guy has been in power for a year and a few months, working under all the proper constitutional pretexts. Hardly a "ruling". It's incredibly funny how this person justifies comparing Obama to Hitler by inventing a bullshit claim of abortions under Obama being more than the human cost of the war directly caused by Hitler and by justifying Hitler over Obama by providing praise to him. People adamantly opposed to Obama are incredibly ignorant and stupid. Hell even McCain has taken on a radical approach to denying everything Obama is doing now. McCain was a pretty cool and moderate conservative in the 2000 campaign and even early on in the 2008 race.
[QUOTE=kmathis;21451919]They're trying to show that they're not backing down. Not trying to paint a positive image of gun owners.[/QUOTE] True. I guess it's past the point of not looking like crazy rednecks to these guys.
Highlight of this article is the clearly fat man with the strap around him.
Why must we pull the [I]HURR DURR OBAMA GONNA TAKE MAH GUNZ, N HEZ A MARXIST COMMEE KENDAYN CUZ GLEEN BECK TOLD ME[/I] and [I]OMFG THOSE RACIST FOX NEWS TEABAGGERS ARE GONNA SHOOT US ALL WITH THEIR FULLY AUTOMATIC COP KILLING ANTI-ARMOR 22MM ASSAULT DEER RIFLES, SOMEONE CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE HE KILLS US ALL[/I] cards and not talk about the point of the Protest, and the fact people have matched on Washington with guns plenty of times before without this turning into the Third Battle of Washington D.C. Meanwhile They are simply excising their freedom of speech and abiding by the law (which if it wasn't due to Obama they couldn't do) and having a peaceful protest, Jesus It isn't as if they are all dressed up in BDUs, balaclavas and flack-vest ready to jump onto technicals to storm the Capitol with, Hell I bet half of their rifles are the .223 AR-15s which are liable to explode if you try and fire the real M-16 5.56mm NATO Ammunition. Meanwhile the very name of this topic is implying exactly what I described in my following paragraph, there's a armed militia with a bunch of fully automatic M-16s and AK-47s as if this is fucking Belfast or Beirut ready to take on the Government bullet for bullet when It's not, it's a fucking peaceful protest, which just happens to be more scary then those G8 protest that always have a bunch of communist or a Anarchist show up and start pelting police officers with beer bottles is because these guys just brought their guns with them since the law allows it. Meanwhile I don't get this racist red neck bullshit that has blanketed the Tea Party, yes I admit there are rednecks in the Tea-party, and and yes I'll admit the fact that a majority of the Tea Party are made of Caucasians which makes it look like a white pride group once some dickhead from Alabama decides to start dropping N-bombs like it's going out of style and copy pasting photos from /b/ and blowing them up on big ass plaques, but still, they aren't the majority of the parties, they are the attention whores who want to get their point across on the camera, but lets not forget many other groups have this happen to them like anti-war protesters where people mainly wanted to get out of Iraq, but you had people attention whoring on the camera demanding bush be tried and executed as a war criminal, but we brushed them off as who they were, the crazies who only politicians wanted to bring up so they could use for their agendas and to get more donor money. Ok I'm done
If they did attack the capital(or shoot anyone), it would defeat their cause. The nation would rally against them(At least you'd expect so.).
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;21452059]Understandably this was posted two pages ago but I think the Youtube comments are hilarious. Are you fucking with me? The annual abortion rate in the US is around 850,000 since 2000 (down from 1.5 million in the Clinton administration). So even then if Obama were to have a 4 year term at Clinton rates of abortion he would only still hit 6 million, the figure of Jewish people killed by Hitler in concentration camps. Hitler killed around 40 million (this is the estimated total, including the war). The person refers to Obama's rule. Chirst it's like he is supreme chancellor of the Republic of the United States. This guy has been in power for a year and a few months, working under all the proper constitutional pretexts. Hardly a "ruling". It's incredibly funny how this person justifies comparing Obama to Hitler by inventing a bullshit claim of abortions under Obama being more than the human cost of the war directly caused by Hitler and by justifying Hitler over Obama by providing praise to him. People adamantly opposed to Obama are incredibly ignorant and stupid. Hell even McCain has taken on a radical approach to denying everything Obama is doing now. McCain was a pretty cool and moderate conservative in the 2000 campaign and even early on in the 2008 race.[/QUOTE] Technically he'd be right if Abortion counted as murder, but it doesn't.
God damn it, I hate the fat guys who bring their fucking rifle and nobody can do anything about cause its freedom on guns or something. I mean seriously, that's stupid.
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