Tomorrow arrives the new Spanish Criminal Code, sanctions for my jew jokes inbound - Polidicks

Welcome the new law!

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48089890]I don't think it's a massive overreaction to be fair. Banning protesting is a huge sign your freedom is getting reduced quite a lot.[/QUOTE] Banning some freedoms isn't banning freedom is all. I don't agree with this shit one bit, mind you.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48089890]I don't think it's a massive overreaction to be fair. Banning protesting is a huge sign your freedom is getting reduced quite a lot.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. In theory, sure - it stops so-called 'protests' from getting out-of-hand (I wager recent events have helped influence this decision) yet it's a slippery slope. All it takes is for the government to refuse permission to select protesters who are known to have interests contrary to theirs.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;48089951]Pretty much this. In theory, sure - it stops so-called 'protests' from getting out-of-hand (I wager recent events have helped influence this decision) yet it's a slippery slope. All it takes is for the government to refuse permission to select protesters who are known to have interests contrary to theirs.[/QUOTE] That wouldn't be good either, the government would ban Podemos from doing protests because they are against the government.

Boy I don't think our neighbours enjoy this update very much...

More bullshit on top of the continued oppression of the Basque.

[QUOTE=certified;48090267]More bullshit on top of the continued oppression of the Basque.[/QUOTE] Basque are completely irrelevant in this situation, this is a nation-wide problem that is more important. Also what the fuck since when are they opressed?

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[QUOTE=certified;48090267]More bullshit on top of the continued oppression of the Basque.[/QUOTE] Completely oppressed when they are the richest autonomous community in Spain and have some pretty lax taxation compared to Cataluña?

Spain is probably not going to like this...

[QUOTE=Kastro;48089209]And EU Commission is OK with these new laws in Spain?[/QUOTE] The EU Commission is probably just going to jerk off in a corner like they always do

[QUOTE=eirexe;48088894] - Explicit drawings depicting minors are now legal as long as they are not hyper-realistic - Life imprisonment - The legal age is now 16 instead of 13, but has a new part that basically allows teenagers to fuck eachother, so a 16yo can fuck a 15yo. - Abandoning old furniture is illegal. - Laser pointers pointing at traffic is now illegal, with fines starting at 30k. - Animal abuse fines are now 100€-600€[/QUOTE] ^Good. Animal abuse fines should be even higher. I'm not sure what "abandoning old furniture" means but it probably means you can't just leave it somewhere as if it belongs, if that's the case then good. Though what the fuck is this shit [QUOTE=eirexe;48088894] - Making Jew jokes is now completely ilegal - Men have even more problems to get help from the justice when they are abused by women. - Organizing protest marches is illegal - Protest marches are now illegal - If you are a criminal you will get your DNA stored by the government - Taking pictures of the police is now illegal. - Having or consuming drugs 601€-30001€ [/QUOTE] What kind of dystopia bollocks is this? How is this even allowed under EU guidelines? 30K€ fines for having drugs, not even distributing them?

[QUOTE=eirexe]- Explicit drawings depicting minors are now legal as long as they are not hyper-realistic[/QUOTE] Where is this by the way? Checked both sources and I didn't see anything about it.

[QUOTE=Coment;48090764]Where is this by the way? Checked both sources and I didn't see anything about it.[/QUOTE] A court ruled that a few days ago, I think.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48090638]^Good. Animal abuse fines should be even higher. I'm not sure what "abandoning old furniture" means but it probably means you can't just leave it somewhere as if it belongs, if that's the case then good. [...][/QUOTE] Imo literal life imprisonment doesn't make much sense if the prison system is geared towards rehabilitation. In that case the obligation should be on the state attorneys to prove the need for continued imprisonment after a reasonable cap. It really depends on the specifics though. For example in Germany it means "no parole for at least 15 years" but can be appealed against afterwards, and sentences don't stack like they do in the US. If it's due to mental health issues that person also most likely wouldn't end up in a normal prison here, as far as I know.

fucking christ some of these laws they have now are pants-on-head retarded. [quote] - Making Jew jokes is now completely ilegal - Men have even more problems to get help from the justice when they are abused by women. - Organizing protest marches is illegal - Protest marches are now illegal[/quote] like what? I feel bad for my family in Spain, always wanted to live there but seeing what Spain is becoming, I hope it changes.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;48088968][QUOTE]With regards to No-Photograph laws[/QUOTE] Out of that list that is what you pick out of it?[/QUOTE] It's about as fascist as the no-protest rule, depending on how permits to protest are granted. The inability to photograph police means some police officers can abuse their power and not be held accountable, and this is a serious problem in the US where untrained police officers attempt to delete witness footage and can't be held liable because there's no evidence of it. I would argue this is the worst law in the entire list. [QUOTE=Scot;48089520]UK has the same law.[/QUOTE] Source? Wikipedia says otherwise: [QUOTE] It is an offence under the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 to publish or communicate a photograph of a constable (not including PCSOs), a member of the armed forces, or a member of the security services, [B][U]which is of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism[/U][/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TheRealRudy;48089172]These are complete bullshit. Atleast give teens a bit of freedom, they know the risks, so if they wanna fuck up, their problem, they gotta live with the consequences, plenty of ways to not fuck up. As for the second one, there are plenty of ones that are harmless, so fining you for everything is again complete bullshit. Rules like this give me the creeps, a government should not interfere so much into private lives.[/QUOTE] I believe the real problem with relations with minors is about mental health of the minor post-breakup. Imagine you were 15 and your boyfriend/girlfriend had a job, car, their own place, all the video games, and was the best in bed you've ever had. Then you break up. Depression happens, hard.

Also this affects videogames, selling, producing or importing hardware or software used for modification of consoles is now illegal.

Something tells me that two thirds of these are taken out of context. Organising protests will probably not be illegal, as long as said protests are called in first. Same goes for a lot of the other things. But websites are sensational and most don't bother reading the law.

I don't get the jew law. So we're allowed to make jokes about anything, except jews?

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48093655]I don't get the jew law. So we're allowed to make jokes about anything, except jews?[/QUOTE] I think it refers to dark jokes about the holocaust, and racist jokes, which have been made by a member of a party who had to resign because of it. You can't also criticize Spain's Monarchy or any of it's members in public.

I'm not exactly aware of how the spaniard courts and institutions work, aside from the fact it's pretty close to France's (and inspired by it), but I'm pretty sure this is overreacting. Most EU countries have laws allowing the government to forbid rallies and protests based on public order trouble motives. As in, if we are sure there will be violences and such. That doesn't mean every protest will be flat-out forbidden. Doesn't mean the government will be able to ban every protest against them. This is what constitutions are for. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] The most concerning part, according to OP's list, would be the jew jokes ban, if people are actually sentenced using this law, that'd set a pretty dangerous jurisprudence free speech wise.

I don't get the life imprisonment part, it's contextless. Was life imprisonment not a measure used by Spanish courts before? Are they replacing death penalty with life imprisonment?

[QUOTE=maxumym;48094648]I don't get the life imprisonment part, it's contextless. Was life imprisonment not a measure used by Spanish courts before? Are they replacing death penalty with life imprisonment?[/QUOTE] IIRC, Spain didn't use the death penalty after 1978, but they had it replaced by limited time sentences, so you couldn't punish someone with life imprisonment.

[QUOTE=maxumym;48094648]I don't get the life imprisonment part, it's contextless. Was life imprisonment not a measure used by Spanish courts before? Are they replacing death penalty with life imprisonment?[/QUOTE] We didn't have penalty or life imprisonment, with the new law we got life imprisonment. [QUOTE=wraithcat;48093606]Something tells me that two thirds of these are taken out of context. Organising protests will probably not be illegal, as long as said protests are called in first. Same goes for a lot of the other things. But websites are sensational and most don't bother reading the law.[/QUOTE] Basically the government decides if you can do a protest or not, which is pretty bad because if you want to protest and the government doesn't like you then you are fucked.

[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;48094072]I think it refers to dark jokes about the holocaust, and racist jokes, which have been made by a member of a party who had to resign because of it. [B]You can't also criticize Spain's Monarchy or any of it's members in public.[/B][/QUOTE] wow so much for the 21st century

[QUOTE=eirexe;48095222] Basically the government decides if you can do a protest or not, which is pretty bad because if you want to protest and the government doesn't like you then you are fucked.[/QUOTE] Newsflash - that's the standard practice in most advanced nations. The question is if they can decide on a whimsy or if they cannot deny your request without reasoning. Which is something you'll usually find in a couple of other sources a) usually constitutions - people may gather as they see fit - which means that the state can deny you this only if it were to conflict with a fairly large, often constitutionally guaranteed interest b) international agreements (of which the compacts on political rights are part of) c) various other legislature. People often forget, that if a bill gives the state a right to do something, this right may not be unlimited, even if said thing is not explicitly stated in the bill. [QUOTE=Antlerp;48095865]wow so much for the 21st century[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9#Denmark[/url]

[QUOTE=wraithcat;48098797]Newsflash - that's the standard practice in most advanced nations. The question is if they can decide on a whimsy or if they cannot deny your request without reasoning. Which is something you'll usually find in a couple of other sources a) usually constitutions - people may gather as they see fit - which means that the state can deny you this only if it were to conflict with a fairly large, often constitutionally guaranteed interest b) international agreements (of which the compacts on political rights are part of) c) various other legislature. People often forget, that if a bill gives the state a right to do something, this right may not be unlimited, even if said thing is not explicitly stated in the bill. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9#Denmark[/url][/QUOTE] You don't realise that the laws have been added now since there have been a lot of protests against the shitty government we have to shut mouths up.

[quote]- Abandoning old furniture is illegal.[/quote] WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE OLD FURNITURE!

No wonder the Catalans wanted to secede