Dad who was killed during arrest 'begged for his life'; police seize cellphones of witnesses who wer - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cccritical;40600838]'man shoots unarmed innocent baby boy that never lifted a finger against him' 'neighborhood watch shoots high school football quarterback after having his head bashed into concrete; two burglaries were recently committed in the same neighborhood' only a special kind of douche would still insist today that zimmerman was a racist but that was pretty much the default response of everyone when the story broke[/QUOTE] 1. He wasn't even charged with anything until after the story gained a shitload of national attention. 2. There hasn't been a trial yet. 3. Trayvon was unarmed and just "looked suspicious".

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40600677]I'm pretty sure recording people in general without their permission is a no-no Could anyone who knows a little more abut US law clarify this?[/QUOTE] In the United States there is something called reasonable expectation of privacy. In a private residence, such as a place of business or a home, you would need expressed permission of the subject to film them. In a public setting, you have a more limited expectation of privacy, so you may be filmed without permission. For commercial reasons it is different, as you cannot use somebodies likeness for profit without their expressed permission even in public, as they own the rights to their own self. When filming in public, it's considerate to get the permission of the person being filmed, but usually unnecessary.

[quote]Local defense attorney Kyle J. Humphrey said, generally speaking, he believes law enforcement can seize cellphones or cameras at the scene under the theory that they've captured evidence of a crime. [/quote] good lawyer you got there

[QUOTE=zakedodead;40600895]1. He wasn't even charged with anything until after the story gained a shitload of national attention. 2. There hasn't been a trial yet. 3. Trayvon was unarmed and just "looked suspicious".[/QUOTE] this is exactly the bullshit I'm talking about, you're jumping to conclusions before you know all the facts, [b]exactly fucking like[/b] what you're accusing george zimmerman of having done [img]http://richardrottman.com/bentcorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/george_zimmerman_head_blood-600x337.jpg[/img] [img]http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/17/ht_george_zimmerman_injuries_ll_120517_wg.jpg[/img] [img_thumb]http://lgbtweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/George-Zimmerman.jpg[/img_thumb] ALL of this shit came to light months after it happened, before that nearly everybody just assumed he was lying about being beaten do I need to go find a story about how the phone calls were edited to make him sound racist or have I proved my point? this case could turn out to be the same, very few details when the story first breaks and widespread condemnation, and only months later evidence surfacing that maybe everyone's initial (baseless) conclusion was wrong you seemed to have a problem with "guilty until proven innocent" in [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1179289&p=35682957&viewfull=1#post35682957]this[/url] post, you're now a hypocrite

[QUOTE=gamefreek76;40600991]In the United States there is something called reasonable expectation of privacy. In a private residence, such as a place of business or a home, you would need expressed permission of the subject to film them. In a public setting, you have a more limited expectation of privacy, so you may be filmed without permission. For commercial reasons it is different, as you cannot use somebodies likeness for profit without their expressed permission even in public, as they own the rights to their own self. When filming in public, it's considerate to get the permission of the person being filmed, but usually unnecessary.[/QUOTE] i don't think these kinds of laws should apply to cops or anyone that works for the public really [editline]11th May 2013[/editline] how is this trayvon martin stuff relevant? zimmerman isn't and wasn't a cop. maybe it's relevant if you're gonna bring up how the cops let him go straight away despite him just killing someone

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40601022] how is this trayvon martin stuff relevant? zimmerman isn't and wasn't a cop. maybe it's relevant if you're gonna bring up how the cops let him go straight away despite him just killing someone[/QUOTE] everybody in this thread shouting "GUILTY! GUILTY!" when trayvon martin's case should have been a lesson in how doing that is dumb as fuck I guess I shouldn't really expect anyone here to learn from past mistakes but holy shit come on

Seriously.... fuck those police. How could someone be so fucked up?

[QUOTE=cccritical;40601038]everybody in this thread shouting "GUILTY! GUILTY!" when trayvon martin's case should have been a lesson in how doing that is dumb as fuck I guess I shouldn't really expect anyone here to learn from past mistakes but holy shit come on[/QUOTE] i can't imagine a single situation in which 9 cops beating 1 drunk guy with batons could be justified or necessary and it becomes especially suspicious when they confiscate witnesses cameras

We just make opinions based on what the media has told us. We can do nothing more, it could well turn out that there were 10 drunken gangsters with shotguns or something but we don't know that. All we know is that it appears to be 1 guy getting beaten to death for no apparent reason.

except if it was 10 drunken gangsters with shotguns then that's what would have been reported?

If they hit the guy in the head... You're not supposed to do that with a baton. The thing breaks bones already, head blows are just...

Sometimes not all the facts are revealed in first reports

[QUOTE=cccritical;40601015]this is exactly the bullshit I'm talking about, you're jumping to conclusions before you know all the facts, [B]exactly fucking like[/B] what you're accusing george zimmerman of having done [IMG]http://richardrottman.com/bentcorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/george_zimmerman_head_blood-600x337.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/05/17/ht_george_zimmerman_injuries_ll_120517_wg.jpg[/IMG] [img_thumb]http://lgbtweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/George-Zimmerman.jpg[/img_thumb] ALL of this shit came to light months after it happened, before that nearly everybody just assumed he was lying about being beaten[/QUOTE] Nice pictures but he still shot an unarmed kid to death after following him for "looking suspicious" (while he had been told he "didn't have to do that"), regardless if martin got in a good shove first. (and that's by his own account) [quote] do I need to go find a story about how the phone calls were edited to make him sound racist or have I proved my point?[/quote] Nah you don't have to because it has no bearing on what I've said. [quote] this case could turn out to be the same, very few details when the story first breaks and widespread condemnation, and only months later evidence surfacing that maybe everyone's initial (baseless) conclusion was wrong[/quote] Even if martin had attacked him after running away and then charging his vehicle (*cough* bullshit *cough*) there was no indication that the local police were going to even investigate what happened until well after it gained a shitload of media attention. [quote] you seemed to have a problem with "guilty until proven innocent" in [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1179289&p=35682957&viewfull=1#post35682957"]this[/URL] post, you're now a hypocrite[/quote] [quote=me] 2. There hasn't been a trial yet[/quote]

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40600233]Yeah, because you never hear about the 5,000,000 of them who'd never do anything like this for every 3 who would. "Police Department does its job" does not make for interesting headlines so you only hear about isolated incidents like this because they get more attention.[/QUOTE] Yea but I don't hear about that shit happening in my country and when you watch the show cops all your police are colossal dicks

I live in Bakersfield and can confirm that it is a colossal shithole

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40601224]Yea but I don't hear about that shit happening in my country and when you watch the show cops all your police are colossal dicks[/QUOTE] i dunno i don't think our cops are so much better, a friend of mine's been getting dental reconstruction since he was 14 when a cop smashed out heaps of his teeth with a flashlight (got like, a weeks suspension) another friend was arrested in his town, driven to mine and thrown in the cells until his court the next day and told 'enjoy the walk home'

all the cops I've encountered have let me off with my weed and told me to have a nice day/night :v: The first story sounds bad but the second story needs context, why did he get arrested in the first place? But I was meaning we don't see stories of police beating up someone on the side of the street and then taking evidence and then the american police normally get away with it. The few times there has been group beatings it has been inside the police station and all the police involved got jail sentences.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40601255]i dunno i don't think our cops are so much better, a friend of mine's been getting dental reconstruction since he was 14 when a cop smashed out heaps of his teeth with a flashlight (got like, a weeks suspension) another friend was arrested in his town, driven to mine and thrown in the cells until his court the next day and told 'enjoy the walk home'[/QUOTE] Most people in this thread haven't been unlawfully beaten by police and won't care until it happens. [video=youtube;mFjQKcwbTdY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFjQKcwbTdY[/video] edit: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6RduiIg9XQ]Link to part 2[/url] for those with annotations disabled

[quote]Local defense attorney Kyle J. Humphrey said, generally speaking, he believes law enforcement can seize cellphones or cameras at the scene under the theory that they've captured evidence of a crime. Because of the digital nature of the evidence, they could argue that it's urgent they immediately take the cameras.[/quote] So they can quickly destroy the video of THEM committing a crime.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40601315]So they can quickly destroy the video of THEM committing a crime.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what would happen. Anyone that thinks the police have a legitimate reason to steal cell phones and cameras is off their rocker.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40601285]all the cops I've encountered have let me off with my weed and told me to have a nice day/night :v: The first story sounds bad but the second story needs context, why did he get arrested in the first place? But I was meaning we don't see stories of police beating up someone on the side of the street and then taking evidence and then the american police normally get away with it. The few times there has been group beatings it has been inside the police station and all the police involved got jail sentences.[/QUOTE] failure to appear in court for driving offenses, i mean the shit part was just that they took him to court in a different town which was unnecessary and then were dicks about it. and only once have cops let me get away with weed (the cop thought we were breaking into cars at first, but when he discovered we were just having a sesh he let us go, that's a good kind of cop i reckon, got his priorities right) another time they arrested me and i had to spend like 4 hours in the cells. ruined my whole night! except they didn't even find the joint in my mates ash tray when they searched his car lol useless cunts

lol they found me and my mate with 3 grams, a bong and a vaporiser and a pipe, they just took the bong and the pipe :v: Maybe they're just nicer in auckland

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40600219]It's generally protocol to seize evidence from the scene.[/QUOTE] Yep. Especially when you're the one that committed the murder! How convenient for them.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40601224]Yea but I don't hear about that shit happening in my country and when you watch the show cops all your police are colossal dicks[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're being satirical or not.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40601382]I can't tell if you're being satirical or not.[/QUOTE] I can tell that you're shitposting

Is there an app out there that will start recording when you press a button and stream everything to a server that can't be accessed by the phone, just by your PC at home? That way even if the phone was seized all you have to do is jump on your computer for a few minutes, retrieve the video file, and straight to Youtube. Cops are deathly afraid of cell phones because they publicize evidence of what police used to routinely do and get away with. Beating people, executing people and claiming "resisting arrest", planting evidence, inventing charges as an excuse, all this shit used to happen all the time before everyone starting carrying cameras and flipping them on whenever police appeared. Cops wish it was a criminal offense to film the police, that way they could just round up and prosecute anyone threatening to expose their behavior.

[QUOTE=cccritical;40601015]this is exactly the bullshit I'm talking about, you're jumping to conclusions before you know all the facts, [b]exactly fucking like[/b] what you're accusing george zimmerman of having done -snip- ALL of this shit came to light months after it happened, before that nearly everybody just assumed he was lying about being beaten do I need to go find a story about how the phone calls were edited to make him sound racist or have I proved my point? this case could turn out to be the same, very few details when the story first breaks and widespread condemnation, and only months later evidence surfacing that maybe everyone's initial (baseless) conclusion was wrong you seemed to have a problem with "guilty until proven innocent" in [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1179289&p=35682957&viewfull=1#post35682957]this[/url] post, you're now a hypocrite[/QUOTE] Actually, people were questioning whether it was done with ill intent. While Zimmerman did receive injuries, it's still questioned whether the attack was done in self defense. There was a call that mentioned Trayvon complaining about a stalker.

there has to be more to this, hopefully more about his incident will surface soon

If you see a black man and the first thing you think is... "Hmm, pretty suspicious" you are without question a racist.

Regular citizen destroys digital device in order to destroy incriminating evidence: gets charged with obstruction of justice, considered even more guilty until proven innocent than usual Police officer seizes a regular citizen's digital device (without a warrant, or any legal right to do so) in order to destroy incriminating evidence: Totally OK For every good cop there are about 50 who are total powertripping scumbag. I really hope these dicks get called out on this bullshit and lose their jobs, because anyone who beats a fucking person to death, intimidates witnesses and commits theft to cover up the murder, and generally puts their own needs above those of the people they're being paid to protect doesn't deserve to wear a badge. [editline]10th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ybbats;40601907]If you see a black man and the first thing you think is... "Hmm, pretty suspicious" you are without question a racist.[/QUOTE] Even if they're clearly casing a joint, mugging someone, or engaging in otherwise suspicious behavior? Nope, can't pull over and investigate because that's racial profiling.