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[QUOTE=Kuro.;40601933]For every good cop there are about 50 who are total powertripping scumbag.[/QUOTE] Yeah it turns out that when there's a job that grants you good pay, respect, and a shitload of immediate power it tends to attract shitheads.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;40601978]Yeah it turns out that when there's a job that grants you good pay, respect, and a shitload of immediate power it tends to attract shitheads.[/QUOTE] Don't forget the relatively low requirements. They don't exactly require an undergraduate degree to be a thug with a badge and a gun.

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[QUOTE=Kuro.;40601933]Even if they're clearly casing a joint, mugging someone, or engaging in otherwise suspicious behavior? Nope, can't pull over and investigate because that's racial profiling.[/QUOTE] No, black people can do whatever they want and are immune to law. It's in the 13th amendment.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40600233]Yeah, because you never hear about the 5,000,000 of them who'd never do anything like this for every 3 who would. "Police Department does its job" does not make for interesting headlines so you only hear about isolated incidents like this because they get more attention.[/QUOTE] As a Californian who travels frequently to other states, no, really, our cops are that bad. You seriously don't want to live in Southern California and then draw attention to yourself. They do it in Northern California too, but we mostly have smaller sheriff's departments up here. For example, our small county sheriff department has an incredibly insane member of the force who happens to typically be on duty in my small town. Our county has an ordinance (and I'm fairly sure there's a state law) against smoking in bars. Of course, this is a small bar in a small town where everyone going there is smoking anyway, so it's not like anyone is about to complain. This said sherrif [I]kicks in the door[/I], lines everyone up outside the bar, discharges a shot in the air, and then proceeds to confiscate cigarettes from everyone. This is also the same sheriff who wears her special under-shirt bulletproof vest [I]over[/I] her uniform, because apparently getting possible gunmen to aim for the head is a great idea. And the one that nearly flattened me for daring to cross the street so that they could catch up with someone who's seatbelt was unbuckled. The SUV mirror hit the hat off of my head. My friend behind me estimated that it was moving about 50 mph in a [I]15mph zone[/I] to catch a car that wasn't even 1000 feet away.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40602057]Don't forget the relatively low requirements. They don't exactly require an undergraduate degree to be a thug with a badge and a gun.[/QUOTE] Where the fuck do you live that has low standards for becoming an officer? Maybe it's because I'm in New York, but it's not like you just walk into the fucking station and say "Can I have a badge and a gun?" and you're suddenly a uniformed officer. There is a [I]years[/I] long waiting list to even be considered to become a cop around me, and I'm not even in the fucking city. On top of that, a degree in criminal justice (just a bachelor's is fine, to my knowledge) is pretty much expected. Are there still shitheads? Of course there are. But I don't know where the hell you're getting this idea of low standards from.

Wow, what did the guy even do? Suspected intoxication is a reason valid enough to kill a father of 4 by the roadside?

I am glad that in my country the police officers aren't powerhungry assholes, but they really serve and protect.

[QUOTE=Unisath;40602484]Where the fuck do you live that has low standards for becoming an officer?[/QUOTE] Everywhere? Corruption happens in literally every city in the US. Have you never heard of police departments turning down applicants that are too good or too smart for the job? It's weird but can pretty much be expected when you consider that law enforcement officers are given special consideration when it comes to the judicial process, if you wanted to have a hold on the law, you'd join the PD and kiss as much ass as possible to become chief of police and then from that point on you basically own that city as best you can by picking and choosing who gets hired and who gets promoted to which rank. Elected officials can be corrupted in the same way, so it doesn't become a question of how the system has become so corrupted, but a question of how corrupted has it become and who can we actually trust.

Yeah american police sounds great.

[QUOTE=Amez;40600556]Apparently it's either the easy or the hard way, with the hard way being them getting a warrant to take it from you.[/QUOTE] Go ahead, let them get their warrant. I'll have uploaded it to the net and deleted it from my phone by then. Also [T]http://morrobaynews.info/im4stuff/cop280-27k.jpg[/T]

[QUOTE=Unisath;40602484]Where the fuck do you live that has low standards for becoming an officer? Maybe it's because I'm in New York, but it's not like you just walk into the fucking station and say "Can I have a badge and a gun?" and you're suddenly a uniformed officer. There is a [I]years[/I] long waiting list to even be considered to become a cop around me, and I'm not even in the fucking city. On top of that, a degree in criminal justice (just a bachelor's is fine, to my knowledge) is pretty much expected. Are there still shitheads? Of course there are. But I don't know where the hell you're getting this idea of low standards from.[/QUOTE] Out in the midwest a 2-year criminal justice degree is considered "optional", really it's not even needed to get into a police job. I don't think Indiana has enough 4-year [i]graduates[/i] to fill all the state's police positions, let alone 4-year criminal justice majors. Plus, police are such a fraternal organization that anyone can see there is obviously a massive bias toward family or friends of existing officers or administrators. That's a recipe for uneducated shitheads getting their badges. I don't believe anyone with less than a 4 year degree should be allowed anywhere near law enforcement. If that was the case maybe cops wouldn't all be shaving their heads and acting like thugs.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40600233]Yeah, because you never hear about the 5,000,000 of them who'd never do anything like this for every 3 who would. "Police Department does its job" does not make for interesting headlines so you only hear about isolated incidents like this because they get more attention.[/QUOTE] What some people don't get is that it's all about those isolated incidents. It's only right and proper to highlight those, the fact that they are isolated does not make them less horrible. 7 million people live normal lives yet a few commit horrible crimes every now and then. Also isolated incidents, so what? There's two kinds of cops, those that do their jobs and some unqualified brutes that can't handle the responsibility and authority they're given and that should simply not happen. That being said, there's way too many isolated incidents. It can't be avoided to have a few socially dysfunctional fucksticks among the general population, but they should never ever be introduced into the police system and someone is doing a bad job there

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[QUOTE=Shizune;40603837]Go ahead, let them get their warrant. I'll have uploaded it to the net and deleted it from my phone by then.[/QUOTE] The problem is that the cops who you just saw beating a guy to death [I]probably[/I] won't bother getting a warrant.

[QUOTE=Captain James;40600273]If every success story about the North American police was on the news, it would undermine stories like this one and they would never see the light of day. I can guarantee you that you would not have made that statement if this was your brother who died. I don't think people have a strong concept or grasp on how completely obscene and disgusting an act of power like this is. It's always "they're not all bad", there is NO room for error here. They are NEVER supposed to be bad. It is literally black and white. Edit: Dumb ratings? Congratulations on further proving my point that people are okay with a flawed police system. If police brutality is ever mixed with your day to day life, you'll find yourself giving a shit about the "it's black and white" statement I made.[/QUOTE] we need bad reading back someone said "wow american police sound great" so he said "remember, not all american police are disgusting pigs" and you responded to him with "the entire system is flawed." in that post i dont think he tried to ever say that anything like this isnt disgusting, or that there wasnt a flawed system. hes not defending whats happening, and hes not saying that we should ignore this in that post. he just said that not all cops are cowardly murderous swine. you just intentionally missed the point of the original post to make some grand statements and then painted anyone who called you out for missing the point as ignorant and cowardly. [editline]11th May 2013[/editline] is it true that what happened is terrible? of course. is it true that we should take steps to make sure that incidents like this never happen? absolutely. should we automatically vilify every person who was ever involved with the american police force? no. only the ones who deserve to be vilified should be vilified.

The ones that should be vilified are the people in charge of the justice system that let cops get away with stuff like this. This is a systemic problem in many parts of the country. Police wouldn't do this if they didn't think they could get away with it.

[QUOTE=lapsus_;40602857]Wow, what did the guy even do? Suspected intoxication is a reason valid enough to kill a father of 4 by the roadside?[/QUOTE] in the usa, "because i say so" is enough reason to murder anyone if you have a badge.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;40600194][b]Local defense attorney Kyle J. Humphrey said, generally speaking, he believes law enforcement can seize cellphones or cameras at the scene under the theory that they've captured evidence of a crime.[/b][/QUOTE] Yeah, murder, by the sound of it.

[QUOTE=Fort83;40608116]Some officers just want to be dicks. In Toronto the other day this man was climbing a tree at a local park like he usually does and an officer got really pissed at him, told him to come down and when he did he wrestled him to the ground resulting in breaking the man's clavicle all because he "took too long to get out of the tree" and he gave him a $365 fine as well. Apparently you need a permit to climb trees in Toronto as a by-law. But you can't get permits for recreational climbing.[/QUOTE] Oh wow. I live in Toronto and I didn't hear about that. People were climbing trees all day at High Park last weekend.

[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;40600434]But it is relevant. The police cannot stop these things from happening all the time, but they can (and will) investigate. If they were covering this up they would've destroyed the phones not locked them up into evidence where it will remain untouchable for a later court case. EDIT: If they do destroy the phones it'll be damning evidence in itself and a breach of protocol, which will (if it hadn't already) incite a look into the event. Regardless, there are eye witnesses. If anything the enemy here is the bureaucracy that slows the investigation.[/QUOTE]dude they are just corrupt fucking pigs that snorted coke and beat a guy to death because of their sadistic stoned up obession, then took the fucking phones once they realized they fucked up and were being filmed you don't need to be a genius to realize this, it's fucking streetwise i'd never put my life in a cop's hands. hate the lot of 'em i swear... how can someone be so jaded by the system they believe in untangible concepts such as "due process" and "bureaucracy" when those subhuman monkeys were set on reducing themselves to physical brute violence, thinking in the now and the moment on how to beat the fuck out of that guy, no "inciting" and "court cases"... after that, since, they hold the power they can just up and make up some bullshit excuse to take your phone which documents them brutalizing the poor dude. that's just plain fucking sick and throws out the window any value you get to have for "social responsibility" "law", "order", the fucking government or the damn system itself. shit.

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;40608794]dude they are just corrupt fucking pigs that snorted coke and beat a guy to death because of their sadistic stoned up obession, then took the fucking phones once they realized they fucked up and were being filmed you don't need to be a genius to realize this, it's fucking streetwise i'd never put my life in a cop's hands. hate the lot of 'em[/QUOTE] Nah dude they'll investigate and maybe the cops will get like a week suspension /w pay, that's a fair trade for murder right?

Don't be too harsh on the guy who gave up his footage. By returning with a warrant they meant legally beat you up and destroy your property. This man also watched the police kill a guy in cold blood so thats also a pretty big factor in this. He also had work in the morning :v:

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40608989]Don't be too harsh on the guy who gave up his footage. By returning with a warrant they meant legally beat you up and destroy your property. This man also watched the police kill a guy in cold blood so thats also a pretty big factor in this. He also had work in the morning :v:[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, I mean what would you do if 9 cops (who you just saw beating a man to death) told you to do anything?

[QUOTE=Furioso;40601240]I live in Bakersfield and can confirm that it is a colossal shithole[/QUOTE] I'm so glad I moved out of that shit hole last year. [QUOTE=ZestyLemons;40600677]I'm pretty sure recording people in general without their permission is a no-no Could anyone who knows a little more abut US law clarify this?[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain it's completely legal to film police so long as you don't interfere with their work.

The fact that these guys are police should be disregarded in a trial. They should instead be tried as a group of nine guys who beat an unarmed man to death for no reason. They deserve a very long prison sentence, and I can't imagine cops in prison works out very well for them.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40600233]Yeah, because you never hear about the 5,000,000 of them who'd never do anything like this for every 3 who would. "Police Department does its job" does not make for interesting headlines so you only hear about isolated incidents like this because they get more attention.[/QUOTE] One bad apple spoils the bunch. The police department is an organization, when you wear a uniform you represent the organization that owns that uniform. If the departments want to stop being criticized then maybe they should stop giving psychopaths a badge and a gun.

...And suddenly, the my anti-police beliefs are once again, reinforced.

Don't get me wrong the police are completely in the wrong for this but at the same time they are all human too, they're not perfect, they're not pigs or monsters or even evil people [media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwfNs1pqG0[/URL][/media] all the guards in the experiment were perfectly sane people but they all only got worse and worse as time went on, and i expect it to be the same for a police officer I think the police department should work like the army rather than it being a job, where an officer would only have to be on active duty for a set amount of months in a year so they have time to bring themselves back to normalcy because imagine having to live every day arresting people, watching everyone's moves it could get to someone, especially working an 80 hour work week

No, humans aren't perfect. But police officers choose to become police officers, if they cannot handle the job they are 100% accountable and deserve no sympathy.