• Russia to arrest openly gay tourist
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[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469154]Yes, I understand. But, the guy was banned merely for showing his support to the goverment's decisions. He wasn't being homophobic, he merely supported a law where if you openly do gay things, which nobody likes watching, or you to go gay parades, which are mega-annoying, you get in jail.[/QUOTE] On the internet freedom of speech does not cover trolling
[QUOTE=Cone;41469229]well annoying as those parades may or may not be, they're still an extension of people rights to free speech, freedom from discrimination, freedom of assembly, and equality before the law. these are literally human rights abuses.[/QUOTE] A murder in self-defense can also be a use of your rights to self-defense, yet nobody would watch to witness a murder, be it self-defense or not.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469093]They ain't being arrested for being gay, they are being arrested for openly showing that they are gay, and usually if it's done around kids. Don't go to gay parades and you will be completely fine. I know gay people and they aren't in jail.[/QUOTE] I like how if you replace the word "gay" in that sentence with any other social group you dont like, it suddenly becomes justification for a whole slew of laws. For example, [quote]They ain't being arrested for being capitalist, they are being arrested for openly showing that they are capitalist, and usually if it's done around kids. Don't go to capitalist parades and you will be completely fine. I know capitalist people and they aren't in jail.[/quote]
[QUOTE=D34L3R;41469344]I like how if you replace the word "gay" in that sentence with any other social group you dont like, it suddenly becomes justification for a whole slew of laws. For example,[/QUOTE] You know, if you keep replacing words, you can find a lot of interesting things. But replacing words doesn't make a real argument. Plus, I never actually said that I dislike gay people.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469281]A murder in self-defense can also be a use of your rights to self-defense, yet nobody would watch to witness a murder, be it self-defense or not.[/QUOTE] i wouldn't want to witness a murder because it's an inherently immoral act, even if it's necessary. a gay pride parade cannot be compared to somebody getting killed for exactly this reason - maybe if all pride parades involved ritualistic killings, i'd agree with you.
[QUOTE=Cone;41469381]i wouldn't want to witness a murder because it's an inherently immoral act, even if it's necessary. a gay pride parade cannot be compared to somebody getting killed for exactly this reason - maybe if all pride parades involved ritualistic killings, i'd agree with you.[/QUOTE] It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469358]You know, if you keep replacing words, you can find a lot of interesting things. But replacing words doesn't make a real argument.[/QUOTE] I'm just pointing out how ludicrous that line of reasoning is. It can literally apply to any social group you want it to. The fact of the matter is, this entire thing is still denying a very large group of people the right to express themselves.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398]It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] legitimately don't know how to respond to that
[QUOTE=D34L3R;41469404]I'm just pointing out how ludicrous that line of reasoning is. It can literally apply to any social group you want it to. The fact of the matter is, this entire thing is still denying a very large group of people the right to express themselves.[/QUOTE] Why do they feel the need to express himself? Do they have mental disabilities that make them think that they are not seen? A lot of people want to express themselves, and they actually pick any way except going out in the streets and acting like a retard with tons of other people like you.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469429]Why do they feel the need to express himself? Do they have mental disabilities that make them think that they are not seen? A lot of people want to express themselves, and they actually pick any way except going out in the streets and acting like a retard with tons of other people like you.[/QUOTE] Expressing yourself is pretty important to your mental health, humans being social animals after all. People express themselves in different ways, and this is just one of the many ways to express themselves. Like Cone said, these are human rights abuses. Not to mention that denying them this right also lays the ground work for laws banishing any social group to publicly assemble.
[QUOTE=Cone;41469229]well annoying as those parades may or may not be, they're still an extension of people rights to free speech, freedom from discrimination, freedom of assembly, and equality before the law. these are literally human rights abuses.[/QUOTE] Facepunch and the majority of websites on the internet are not free speech zones. As free speech generally only comes into effect against the government from baring you your rights to free speech. As such your constitutional rights generally don't apply at all unless they are set down by subconsitutional legislature. For instance a consitutional antiracism clause just means that countries can't discriminate. But an employer technically can. The various nondiscrimination clauses by nongovernment entities are then set down in employment legislature, criminal and other legislature. On top of that many sites and servers sit in non US countries which have vastly different views on the scale and scope of free speech and what might fall under free speech in the US might be considered hate speech in Europe for instance.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398]It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] Yes because what people do in their bedroom is totally a morally reprehensible act. You know, for a straight dude, you seem to care a lot what gay people do. What are you, some kind of faggot?
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398]It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] Well your posts involve killing my brain cells, so I guess we're both going to have to suffer.
[QUOTE=A Smaller God;41450467]russia sounds like a p.shitty place tbh[/QUOTE] 'Merica.
[QUOTE=Silber;41463257]If your "opinion" includes taking away other people's human rights, then you pretty much lose all rights to free speech.[/QUOTE] "Opinions" do not take away other people's rights, they simply express how you feel about them. If you're gonna get pissy about everything because it "hurts muh feelins", you shouldn't be on the damn internet to begin with. On this forum, you are allowed to say "fuck Israelis" or "Religious people are retards", but if anyone says anything negative about gays/women/transexuals etc. it becomes a bannable offense. I guess only [I]some[/I] types of bigotry are encouraged here.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398]It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] You know you're wrong when you have to resort to this.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;41452069]Stalinist actually, Lenin didn't have as much of a problem with homosexuals (at least for, y'know, the 1910s), and actually repealed some of the Tsar's old anti-gay laws until Stalin reimplemented them with a considerable vengeance.[/QUOTE] Absolutely true. Homosexual marriage was actually mostly legal in the early Soviet Union and several prominent members of Soviet political offices were openly homosexual, like the second Soviet foreign minister Georgy Chicherin, who was generally seen as a major reason why the early USSR got the foreign support it did. [quote]Soviet legislation does not recognize so-called crimes against morality. Our laws proceed from the principle of protection of society and therefore countenance punishment only in those instances when juveniles and minors are the objects of homosexual interest ... while recognizing the incorrectness of homosexual development ... our society combines prophylactic and other therapeutic measures with all the necessary conditions for making the conflicts that afflict homosexuals as painless as possible and for resolving their typical estrangement from society within the collective —Sereisky, Great Soviet Encyclopedia, 1930, p. 593[/quote]
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398]It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] So, what, kissing a person of the same-sex is enough to turn a person into a satan on wheels? If my dick got longer whenever some ignoramus spouts absolute bullshit, I could probably choke you to death with it.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398]It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] bring the moral fabric to the altar
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398]It does involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] "Socially Acceptable Things" (Russia has conscription)
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;41476632]"Socially Acceptable Things" (Russia has conscription)[/QUOTE] I think conscription is acceptable pretty much everywhere else except Russia and some other countries. In Russia it's just a huge shitfest.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41467827]You guys are real funny. When everyone is circlejerking over faggots - it's really good. But when one man dares to have an opinion on the matter - it's suddenly death penalty and the guy gets banned. Good job, so much for having an opinion.[/QUOTE] Yeah you're right, Faggots are stupid. And you know who else is stupid? Niggers. I hate me some niggers, but it's okay to hate niggers because its my opinion. I also think that all blacks should be arrested for being black. You're fucking stupid.
"Your rights end where my feels begin" - This thread.
[QUOTE=Broguts;41476743]Yeah you're right, Faggots are stupid. And you know who else is stupid? Niggers. I hate me some niggers, but it's okay to hate niggers because its my opinion. I also think that all blacks should be arrested for being black. You're fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] Don't attack the person attack the argument, you're being uncivil about this. You are overstressing the internet, the idea is to laugh at everything. Basically, you're doing it wrong.
[QUOTE=theobod;41453806]But Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway isnt Eastern European countries.[/QUOTE] You completely mis-read my post.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41468956]People hear harming things almost anywhere, any day. You should deal with them, argue with them, not just submit to them and go "waah it hurt muh feelings i should throw myself off a buliding". If you get offended by the so called "hate speech", it's your choice to get offended by it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469398][Gay parades do] involve ritualistic killings. Killings of moral and socially acceptable things.[/QUOTE] ok so having a parade to raise awareness of a minority - morally and socially unacceptable hurting peoples feelings, calling people 'fags', implying that a parade is as bad as killing - morally and socially acceptable, obviously endorsed by you since you just did it [QUOTE=Sgt.Romano_O;41469358] I never actually said that I dislike gay people.[/QUOTE] you just said that having a gay parade is tantamount to mudering someone trust me, you will receive a lot less hate from people if you stand by an opinion but explain [b]why[/b] you hold it why do you dislike gay people?
[QUOTE=Noahi;41477613]"Your rights end where my feels begin" - This thread.[/QUOTE] Yes, that seems to be the exact reasoning for banning gay expression. "Those gay pride parades? They make me feel annoyed/disgusted - gotta restrict their rights."
Can we all agree to start arresting openly russian russian tourists?
[QUOTE=Charchar;41450269]Everything you disagree with is shitposting?[/QUOTE] yes, p much everyone with opinions counter to mine is dumb as heck
[QUOTE=Dog;41479108]ok so having a parade to raise awareness of a minority - morally and socially unacceptable hurting peoples feelings, calling people 'fags', implying that a parade is as bad as killing - morally and socially acceptable, obviously endorsed by you since you just did it you just said that having a gay parade is tantamount to mudering someone trust me, you will receive a lot less hate from people if you stand by an opinion but explain [b]why[/b] you hold it why do you dislike gay people?[/QUOTE] He isn't [I]allowed[/I] to stand by his opinion, or he'll be banned because it's contrary to everyone else's opinions. Can't have none of that pesky dissent now, can we?
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