[UK] Over a third of Brexit leave voters hold 'racially prejudiced' views - Polidicks

[t]http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/ukip-billboard-nazi-imagery.jpg[/t] [quote]Brits who voted Leave in the EU referendum are more likely to describe themselves as "racially prejudiced" than those who voted Remain, according to new research. A survey of 2,220 people found that [b]34% of Leave voters admitted holding racist attitudes compared to 18% of Remain voters.[/b][/quote] [url]https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/leave-voters-admit-they-are-racist-in-new-research-a3646421.html[/url] Nothing groundbreaking or shocking, at least from the headline... Posting this half to troll brexit droolers and half to point out that racial/ethnic prejudice in the UK is a pretty big thing. Imo it might be higher than these figures suggest, nearly everybody I know in my area have expressed something bias against an ethnicity. (common one is associating people of Persian/Indian/north african/middle eastern decent with bad driving) Recently in the Bulgaria thread I mentioned that I had been warned to avoid gypsies when I was there and because of that I think perhaps I too hold biases. edit: Almost forgot the bias thingy [t]https://i0.wp.com/mediabiasfactcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/rightcenter031.png?ssl=1[/t] Though its worth noting that in the UK mainstream right wing is less associated with racism than in the US. Cept UKIP which is really just racist to trick non-tory racists into voting for hardcore tory policy. [editline]29th September 2017[/editline] ah no, I was actually wrong [quote=article]The population was also divided along party lines, with 33% of Conservative party supporters admitting racial prejudice compared to 18% of Labour supporters.[/quote] Maybe worth noting though that some racists will be left wing but refuse to vote for labour coz [insert bs about debt and immigration]

extrapolating from those numbers, 26% of brits admit to being racist that's a way bigger news story

"racism isnt a problem" "black people have it exactly the same as the rest of us, freedom!" "Well yeah but they're just a vocal minority, they could never influence a vote enough to get us to leave one of the worlds biggest trading blocs with no contingencies or elect an openly racist white supremacist into the most powerful office on the planet"

To the surprise of... who, exactly? I mean it was kinda obvious that a lot of Leavers were, at the very least, prejudiced, since that's what the campaign ran with and a lot of people based their decision on.

[QUOTE=butre;52729404]extrapolating from those numbers, 26% of brits admit to being racist that's a way bigger news story[/QUOTE] But mans gotta give it a sexy contraversial headline to get sweet clicks and/or epeen Sorry state of affairs though. Issue is that when a bad thing happens foreigners/minorities/the poor(some minorities are over represented in this group) are blamed and the problem isn't fixed. So people get angrier and angrier

Yeah my Step father is one of those people, he straight up thinks Muslims are just straight up incomparable with our society and wants them out, like he even told me "If it were up to me, I'd give them all one week to leave completely, if they don't, that's when I'd get forceful" Like he seriously believes they are a threat to society and that it's the EU's fault, that everything is caused by the EU and the "Muslim problem", it's classic scapegoating on the part of our government and politicians, but he just can't see it and he doesn't even [I]like[/I] our government!

Those same 34% are fucking imbeciles who want to stop people from Non-EU countries from entering. So naturally leaving the EU was the right thing to do!!111!!!11!

[QUOTE=butre;52729404]extrapolating from those numbers, 26% of brits admit to being racist that's a way bigger news story[/QUOTE] not really new though [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27599401[/url]

[QUOTE=Erfly;52729541]not really new though [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27599401[/url][/QUOTE] Spoke to my dad about this and he reckons that if people were honest it would be closer to 80

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52729745]Spoke to my dad about this and he reckons that if people were honest it would be closer to 80[/QUOTE] Unfortunately this is probably closer to the truth than I'd like to admit. Consciously or sub-consciously people harbour some form of xenophobic sentiment or bias.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52731838]Unfortunately this is probably closer to the truth than I'd like to admit. Consciously or sub-consciously people harbour some form of xenophobic sentiment or bias.[/QUOTE] I imagine deep down everyone has tribal sentiments and people from other tribes are "invaders" but sane and rational people know to ignore the impulses of your cave-man instincts because modern society doesn't function like a series of hand to mouth tribes only thinking about if there's a deer to kill and eat the next day.

[QUOTE=butre;52729404]extrapolating from those numbers, 26% of brits admit to being racist that's a way bigger news story[/QUOTE] 26% of Brits have mental health issues. That really is a big story. And what's worse is that we don't quite have the infrastructure to deal with the mental healthcare of 17 million people, despite sorely needing it.

These types of studies are always tough to analyse. For example, this is one of the statements: "some races or ethnic groups are born less intelligent" Based on actual science, this is almost definitely true. Genetics play a role in intelligence, and certain racial groups have been shown to have advantages in intelligence. Jews, for example, are generally more intelligent than the average person. Does that mean every person who answered yes to this question is basing their answer on this science? No, most definitely not. I'm sure there are lots of racists who just assume some groups are dumber because of their racial bias. On the other hand, does this mean that everyone who answered yes is racist? No, in fact, everyone should have answered yes, because it's a true statement, yet the report uses this question as an example of "clear racial prejudice." [editline]30th September 2017[/editline] Do you guys know where I can access the actual study? I went to the National Center for Social Research website, downloaded the full British Social Attitudes report, and it doesn't include the questions cited in the article.

[QUOTE=thisguy123;52732155]I imagine deep down everyone has tribal sentiments and people from other tribes are "invaders" but sane and rational people know to ignore the impulses of your cave-man instincts because modern society doesn't function like a series of hand to mouth tribes only thinking about if there's a deer to kill and eat the next day.[/QUOTE] I think we can all agree that the non-tribalist group is inherently superior to the tribalist group.

[QUOTE=jonu67;52729475]Yeah my Step father is one of those people, he straight up thinks Muslims are just straight up incomparable with our society and wants them out, like he even told me "If it were up to me, I'd give them all one week to leave completely, if they don't, that's when I'd get forceful" Like he seriously believes they are a threat to society and that it's the EU's fault, that everything is caused by the EU and the "Muslim problem", it's classic scapegoating on the part of our government and politicians, but he just can't see it and he doesn't even [I]like[/I] our government![/QUOTE] I partially agree that "they" are becoming a threat to society. I don't have any issues with Muslims, I don't know many but those I do know are stand up people, very smart, these people are usually coming from places such as Egypt or Syria, in the urban, more developed places. The problem isn't their choice of religion, it's having floods of the same people, coming from remote places where their morality and way of life ISN'T EVEN CLOSE to that of ours. When they come over (they are welcome to in my eyes) they typically are congregating into similar parts of cities, essentially making themselves the majority in these particular points, while this is understandable, it's not good news. There have been many times where UK police have had to crack down on schools and community centers because they have started operation their own rule of Sharia Law (from simple divorce proceedings that go against our anti discrimination laws to cases to 18 honour killings that happened within a 4 year period (Source: [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33516885[/url]) The issue is not with every Muslim coming over here to "leach benefits" and "have an easy ride". It's that many, many of them simply do not wish to integrate fully into our society, we are not asking them to reject their god, but fuck god damn you absolutely will adopt our principles, morality and community ethics. It hasn't been a catastrophy, the UK is still the UK, but cracks are showing, and the flow of immigrants from the middle east is massive, this along with the child birth rate compared to that of British people, what the political and social landscape will look like in the next 50 years troubles me deeply, especially considering how we have Sharia courts popping up, some parts of London might as well be Baghdad if you go judging by the population that are roaming the streets. Mark my words, the majority will not appreciate our kindness and our open arms when they believe that as per the doctrine of the Quran there is only one true religion and everyone must operate within it. Even some of the most moderate of Muslims have this notion in their mind somewhere (not all obviously, but I've spoken to a work friend and was surprised to hear her say that everyone will be better off living by the words of the prophet "when the time comes") This quite surprised and worried me, I didn't perceive it as some sort of threat from her of course, but in her head there would be a day where the whole world would be "saved" and everything will be nice and happy.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52733367] "some races or ethnic groups are born less intelligent" Based on actual science, this is almost definitely true. Genetics play a role in intelligence, and certain racial groups have been shown to have advantages in intelligence. Jews, for example, are generally more intelligent than the average person.[/QUOTE] Except that statement is extremely misleading. It wouldn't be because someone is "Jewish" that they exhibit genetic and biological variation, its because their ancestors came from a geographical region with particular environmental conditions. Likewise, repeating this statement opens up the suggestion to skinheads that "black people have a different level of intelligence", despite the fact that people denoted as "black" originate from multiple regions and show variation because of geography and environment as well - especially when looking at Africa and Australia, as African descendants and Aborigines have different Haplogroups. Tl;dr unless you're going to make a constructive point about anthropology/history and how that relates to geography, that statement is horseshit

[QUOTE=Faunze;52733523]some parts of London might as well be Baghdad if you go judging by the population that are roaming the streets.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't really throw statements like that around, this is exactly the fear mongering type of language that people are concerned about. I understand your concerns, and you may have been being sarcastic, but it creates a dangerous sentiment when you compare London to a warzone an suggesting that this is the cause of Muslim immigration.

[QUOTE=Crooky14;52735438]You shouldn't really throw statements like that around, this is exactly the fear mongering type of language that people are concerned about. I understand your concerns, and you may have been being sarcastic, but it creates a dangerous sentiment when you compare London to a warzone an suggesting that this is the cause of Muslim immigration.[/QUOTE] I'm not being sarcastic, and forgive me for perhaps my poor choice of political geography, I don't necessarily associate Baghdad as only a war zone it has an awesome history scientifically, my point was simply that it does not resemble at all a place of cultural integration, the only resemblance of the UK is the architecture and traffic system. I'm not inciting racial or cultural hatred at all, but it's a really big fucking issue, and it really is just the tip of iceberg. Some of the biggest a most popular mosques in London are promoting a form of Saudi Islam, a form which promotes segregation and the sharia as a way of life that calls for the death of homosexuals, leavers of Islam, any other non Islamic beliefs and especially calling for the death of Jews. Saudi Arabian politicians have been promoting this view across the planet, they have paid for most of the mosques in the UK, they have Islamic book shops filled to the brim with regressive, ISIS line-toeing literature. I suggest you give this a watch. It's an eye opener. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WgVa3VRFb4[/media] I'm obviously not saying all Muslims believe this, but bring in enough uneducated refugees and allow this kind if ideology to go un-agitated, as our police and politicians have been, and a day will come when things blow up, and an us vs them mentality will form on both sides and there will be religious violence over Europe like the continent hasn't seen in hundreds of years.

[QUOTE=Faunze;52735469]I'm obviously not saying all Muslims believe this, but bring in enough uneducated refugees and allow this kind if ideology to go un-agitated[/QUOTE] It's not normally the refugees that are converted to extremist sects of their faith, these guys are trying to escape the dickheads you're accusing them of supporting remember. It tends to happen more to natives. [url=https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiX78L49c_WAhVpIsAKHY7zDa0QFggoMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fresearchbriefings.files.parliament.uk%2Fdocuments%2FCBP-7613%2FCBP-7613.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1Vnq4pongbTTHGxY0-C6Tt]Here's a link to a resource I'll be talking about.[/url] So, currently the British police are arresting more internationally linked terrorists than domestic, but that's to be expected with the presence of ISIL right now. But of those arrests the study states the following;[quote=p. 17]An increasingly large proportion of those arrested for terrorism offences are British nationals, with 75% of those arrested in 2015/16 being British.[/quote]. So in spite of the fact that terror threats are largely sourced internationally, we are arresting more natives than any other groups. Most of them appear to be ethnically Asian in some way, and that is also unsurprising given that makes them nth generation immigrants. Also unsurprisingly, a lot of those caught before or after their attacks are Muslim. Once again we can thank the existence of ISIL for this. But even then it's still less than 50% of our terrorist arrests (p. 20), the rest either don't declare their religion or are non-religious anyway. ISIL are very, very good propagandists. They know exactly what they are doing and how to hit the right buttons on nth generation immigrants, who tend to not feel entirely certain about who they are. They aren't their parents ethnicity entirely as they have no ties to their parents country, but they are also treated as outsiders by other natives in their home country. It's not like it's hard to find their propaganda either, with terrorist groups usually having a large presence on social media. And particularly for those of religious backgrounds a common meeting ground with moderate believers in their place of worship. ISIL target younger children of immigrant families who feel detached from those around them as mentioned above. But they don't make it straight up obvious that they are trying to recruit people at first. They offer a ear that will listen, handlers only bring up positives like being part of something greater and having a purpose, etc. especially when trying to convince women to come over to them to act as brides. Their social media tactics are quite varied, and hideously effective at times. And it doesn't help when you've got shit like [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/terror-attacks-media-coverage-muslim-islamist-white-racism-islamophobia-study-georgia-state-a7820726.html]this[/url] going on as it just further divides groups and increases alienation.

[QUOTE=Faunze;52735469] I suggest you give this a watch. It's an eye opener. [/QUOTE] Why are mosques like this allowed to operate without submitting to regular inspection of the material being disseminated? It is very unsettling when some of them appear to function as a safe space for spreading a harmful ideology. The stuff they are saying in this video is straight out of Saudi Arabia and yet it's taught freely on UK soil.

[QUOTE=ferrus;52735745]Why are mosques like this allowed to operate without submitting to regular inspection of the material being disseminated? It is very unsettling when some of them appear to function as a safe space for spreading a harmful ideology. The stuff they are saying in this video is straight out of Saudi Arabia and yet it's taught freely on UK soil.[/QUOTE] Spreading harmful ideology isn't illegal, you guys do still have the EDL among others who say the same shit but against Islam. Of course, both are unacceptable though.

You realize the EDL was spawned out of a reaction to the breed of Islam in the video above, right? And no, I don't think the EDL are justified if they are saying anything on the level of what is said in the video above. I couldn't say whether they do since I don't follow them.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;52735751]Spreading harmful ideology isn't illegal, you guys do still have the EDL among others who say the same shit but against Islam. Of course, both are unacceptable though.[/QUOTE] The EDL are a bunch of rowdy lads who have grown up in these neighborhoods. They aren't careful with their wording but they aren't a necessarily violent bunch, only as much as football hooligans are. Tommy Robinson, the leader of the EDL, I actually have a lot of respect for as a man. He has fought the government continually and him and his family have been bullied and victimized by the police in the name of "keeping things calm". I don't condone the EDL, but they are just the voice (quite moderate at that) of tens of thousands of people in the UK. Here he is speaking at Oxford University on Islam and the EDL. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQ94jFg_4A[/media] Here is him speaking about solely of how he has been treated by the British Government, it's fucking crazy, I definitely recommend watching this one. It shows the current political stalemate of how to address this problem. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao2VlpxGFe4[/media]

[QUOTE=Faunze;52735890]The EDL are a bunch of rowdy lads who have grown up in these neighborhoods. They aren't careful with their wording but they aren't a necessarily violent bunch, only as much as football hooligans are. Tommy Robinson, the leader of the EDL, I actually have a lot of respect for as a man. He has fought the government continually and him and his family have been bullied and victimized by the police in the name of "keeping things calm". I don't condone the EDL, but they are just the voice (quite moderate at that) of tens of thousands of people in the UK. Here he is speaking at Oxford University on Islam and the EDL. Here is him speaking about solely of how he has been treated by the British Government, it's fucking crazy, I definitely recommend watching this one. It shows the current political stalemate of how to address this problem. [/QUOTE] First off, do your research. Tommy Robinson [B]WAS [/B]leader of the EDL who left because: [QUOTE]Mr Robinson said: "I have been considering this move for a long time because I recognise that, though street demonstrations have brought us to this point, they are no longer productive. [B]"I acknowledge the dangers of far-right extremism and the ongoing need to counter Islamist ideology not with violence but with better, democratic ideas."[/B][/QUOTE] Second, "quite moderate at that" and "aren't necessarily a violent bunch" means you have no idea what you're talking about, so let me educate you. [QUOTE]Yet at EDL events, skinheads have raised [B]Nazi salutes[/B] and other EDL supporters have chanted racist slogans such as "[B]I hate Pakis more than you[/B]". One protest in Luton in May ended with scores of people [B]attacking Asian businesses[/B], smashing cars and threatening passersby.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Insiders have talked of plans to enlist football fans to march for the cause on the basis that "you need an army for a war".[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"The authorities have a responsibility to local communities to protect them from violence. We have witnessed enough of the EDL to know that they want to whip up trouble wherever possible. They must nip this problem in the bud."[/QUOTE] [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/11/english-defence-league-chaotic-alliance[/URL] [QUOTE]There were several brief confrontations as EDL activists chanted "[B]We hate Muslims[/B]" and "[B]Muslim bombers off our streets[/B]".[/QUOTE] [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/13/english-defence-league-protest-palestinian[/URL] [QUOTE]There is talk of the need for a 'street army', and there are links with football hooligans and evidence that violent neo-Nazi groups including Combat 18, Blood and Honour and the British Freedom Fighters have been attending demos. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Violence has erupted at most of the EDL's demonstrations. In total, nearly 200 people have been arrested and an array of weapons has been seized, including knuckledusters, a hammer, a chisel and a bottle of bleach. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]As the EDL gains support across the UK, Muslims have already been targeted in unprovoked attacks. In the worst incident, a mob of 30 white and black youths is said to have surrounded Asian students near City University in central London and attacked them with metal poles, bricks and sticks while shouting racist abuse. Three people - two students and a passer-by who tried to intervene - were stabbed. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Welsh Defence League members burn an anti-Nazi flag in Swansea[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Britain's neo-Nazis realise this. For Kevin Watmough, leader of the neo-Nazi British People's Party and a former member of the National Front, the rise of the EDL is reminiscent of the Seventies. 'The protests remind me of the National Front marches, but I wouldn't march with the EDL because they have blacks as supporters,' he told me. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1238213/This-England-On-trail-English-Defence-League.html[/URL] [QUOTE]“A group of around 15 people, estimated to be aged between 16 and 23 barged into the premises shouting and chanting ‘EDL’. They were throwing bottles and rocks. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/arrests-after-yorkshire-anti-racism-gig-stormed-1-3500239[/URL] You're a disgrace to Estonians everywhere.

[QUOTE=Faunze;52735890]In defence of the EDL[/QUOTE] Congrats, you've fallen for far-right propaganda! Would you like to try again? The EDL are not a non-violent organisation, they never were and never will be (assuming they ever manage to reform in a meaningful manner). Sure the founder might not have been keen on violence himself, but the organisation itself always was and there was nothing he could do to stop that from happening. Unsurprisingly when you form a group based entirely on ethno-supremacy and nationalism, whilst constantly stoking the fears of anti-semitism, islamaphobia, xenophobia, etc. (seriously, pick your poison here, the EDL hate every fucking thing but themselves), you end up with a violent movement of neo-facists and neo-nazis! The EDL have a long fucking history of going around terrorising Asian families because "they're fuckin pakis" or whatever flimsy bullshit their infantile minds can conjure up. Even if those people weren't remotely Islamic. They've attacked people, stores, places of worship and many more all because the EDL is full of actual inbreds. Actually, scratch that, even inbreeding couldn't create this level of stupidity. These jackasses do not remotely differentiate between actual Islamic extremists, and the vast, vast majority of the Muslim population who just want to get on with their lives. Shit, they probably couldn't identify a Muslim in a police lineup if you threw more than one non-white person in there.

Good lord! Firstly, I'm not Estonian, I'm Scottish and currently working here, considering the supreme racism and xenophobia, even to myself as a white European I have seen in your country I find a fucking laughable statement. Secondly, I never said I condoned the EDL, I likened them to a football hooligan firm with some very strange views. However, in terms of their actions,yes there have been beatings, I can safely call this moderate, they haven't been murdering people all over the streets, they haven't been bombing mosques, on the contrary, the extremists on the other side have plotted to bomb them. They are not hero's, I don't condone their actions, I'm not one of them, however you cannot go on ignoring why people are angry. If you did some research into the issues *MY* country are facing that are not blanketed all over the mainstream news you would have a sliver of understanding where I am coming from here, and as much as their actions are rotten and not helping anyone, why the EDL and national fronts like them are taking a foothold, it is because the government aren't doing jack shit about it. [editline]1st October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;52735971]Congrats, you've fallen for far-right propaganda! Would you like to try again? The EDL are not a non-violent organisation, they never were and never will be (assuming they ever manage to reform in a meaningful manner). Sure the founder might not have been keen on violence himself, but the organisation itself always was and there was nothing he could do to stop that from happening. Unsurprisingly when you form a group based entirely on ethno-supremacy and nationalism, whilst constantly stoking the fears of anti-semitism, islamaphobia, xenophobia, etc. (seriously, pick your poison here, the EDL hate every fucking thing but themselves), you end up with a violent movement of neo-facists and neo-nazis! The EDL have a long fucking history of going around terrorising Asian families because "they're fuckin pakis" or whatever flimsy bullshit their infantile minds can conjure up. Even if those people weren't remotely Islamic. They've attacked people, stores, places of worship and many more all because the EDL is full of actual inbreds. Actually, scratch that, even inbreeding couldn't create this level of stupidity. These jackasses do not remotely differentiate between actual Islamic extremists, and the vast, vast majority of the Muslim population who just want to get on with their lives. Shit, they probably couldn't identify a Muslim in a police lineup if you threw more than one non-white person in there.[/QUOTE] Hello sir, Thank you for not losing your shit. I see I've hit some sort of EDL nerve where I obviously haven't shaken with rage hard enough on my keyboard. They are idiotic football hooligans with national pride written all over their face. But they have also been on the front lines of this shit constantly, and by front lines I don't mean fighting, I mean growing up in these divided communities. I haven't fallen for no far right propaganda, I watch all news outlets and make my own outcomes and decisions without being pulled in emotionally, from a person on the outside looking in, I'm not say I can say the same thing for my Estonian friend up there who seems to have been triggered rather hard by giving the EDL some credit for not murdering Muslims all over the country. I'm honestly quite surprised at the outrage of my one post about the EDL when this thread has been so quiet yet nothing is being mentioned about the grooming gangs, drug importers, radical marches. Is this what people care about? Not being seen as racist and having to dice words to make sure we fall in line with the left way of thinking? I'm not left or right, shit, I don't even know what they mean as everyone has a different fucking opinion on just about everything anyway.

[QUOTE=Faunze;52735987]Good lord! Firstly, I'm not Estonian, I'm Scottish and currently working here, considering the supreme racism and xenophobia, even to myself as a white European I have seen in your country I find a fucking laughable statement. Secondly, I never said I condoned the EDL, I likened them to a football hooligan firm with some very strange views. However, in terms of their actions,yes there have been beatings, I can safely call this moderate, they haven't been murdering people all over the streets, they haven't been bombing mosques, on the contrary, the extremists on the other side have plotted to bomb them. They are not hero's, I don't condone their actions, I'm not one of them, however you cannot go on ignoring why people are angry. If you did some research into the issues *MY* country are facing that are not blanketed all over the mainstream news you would have a sliver of understanding where I am coming from here, and as much as their actions are rotten and not helping anyone, why the EDL and national fronts like them are taking a foothold, it is because the government aren't doing jack shit about it.[/QUOTE] yeah, Estonia has a problem with racism and xenophobia, which is exactly why I'm trying to show you why supporting a racist and xenophobic organization isn't exactly a good idea. I amend my statement to you're a disgrace to everyone, not just Estonians. "I likened them to a football hooligan firm with some very strange views." And frequent bouts of assault, property damage and racism. "I can safely call this moderate" Then you might want to study English as that's not what the word means. "they haven't been murdering people all over the streets" Not for lack of trying. 'the extremists on the other side have plotted to bomb them." Notice how you said "the other side" which directly contradicts your statement of "moderate" "however you cannot go on ignoring why people are angry" No-one is. "If you did some research into the issues *MY* country are facing " I have, which is why I'm not supporting Islamic terrorists or Nationalist neo-nazis, as is the EDL. "why the EDL and national fronts like them are taking a foothold, it is because the government aren't doing jack shit about it." [QUOTE]There has been a sharp increase in the number of terrorist plots foiled by UK security agencies since the Westminster attack in March, a senior Whitehall source has said. Five plots have been disrupted in the last two months alone, compared with 13 in the three years between 2013 and March 2017.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“MI5 is managing around 500 active investigations, involving some 3,000 subjects of interest (SOIs) at any one time”[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-uk-terror-plots-foiled-rise-number-security-services-officials-a7755471.html[/URL] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Terrorism_and_Security_Act_2015[/URL] So yeah, the government is doing a whole heck of a lot, islamic terrorists aren't the only problem, and the EDL is a radical racist extremist organization designed to fearmonger and induce paranoia in your fellow Brits. Do your fucking research. ALSO I love how you ignored literally every single bit of my post where I pointed out the asian businesses attacked and people stabbed and nazi salutes and continuing with the standard retarded "just moderates, just football loving chaps"

[QUOTE=EcksDee;52736019]yeah, Estonia has a problem with racism and xenophobia, which is exactly why I'm trying to show you why supporting a racist and xenophobic organization isn't exactly a good idea. I amend my statement to you're a disgrace to everyone, not just Estonians. "I likened them to a football hooligan firm with some very strange views." And frequent bouts of assault, property damage and racism. "I can safely call this moderate" Then you might want to study English as that's not what the word means. "they haven't been murdering people all over the streets" Not for lack of trying. 'the extremists on the other side have plotted to bomb them." Notice how you said "the other side" which directly contradicts your statement of "moderate" "however you cannot go on ignoring why people are angry" No-one is. "If you did some research into the issues *MY* country are facing " I have, which is why I'm not supporting Islamic terrorists or Nationalist neo-nazis, as is the EDL. "why the EDL and national fronts like them are taking a foothold, it is because the government aren't doing jack shit about it." [URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-uk-terror-plots-foiled-rise-number-security-services-officials-a7755471.html[/URL] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Terrorism_and_Security_Act_2015[/URL] So yeah, the government is doing a whole heck of a lot, islamic terrorists aren't the only problem, and the EDL is a radical racist extremist organization designed to fearmonger and induce paranoia in your fellow Brits. Do your fucking research. ALSO I love how you ignored literally every single bit of my post where I pointed out the asian businesses attacked and people stabbed and nazi salutes and continuing with the standard retarded "just moderates, just football loving chaps"[/QUOTE] I haven't once mentioned in this thread about bombings or any militant activity from the Muslim community in the UK, I don't think you're quite on board with the conversation. I'll address your points all the same though, as tiring as it is to repeat myself. I don't condone the EDL, support them, or give excuses for violence, or indeed even tone it down. What I think you have is a supremely optimistic world view, and so anything as far as a beating or the occasional street mob related death in a country of almost 66 million people with varying levels of poverty and education are a big problem worth pissing in your pants about. Yes, in my eyes, these actions are moderate. Extreme for me is burning people in the streets while others look round and cheer with pleasure. Extreme for me is genocide. What we are dealing with here are a very, very small percentage of cunts with bats and knives taking their anger out on people that probably don't deserve it, run of the mill shit, basically, that happens in almost every country all over the first world that faces social integration issues. Please check your emotions and assumptions about my world beliefs at the door the next time you want to attack me personally. [editline]1st October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;52736019]ALSO I love how you ignored literally every single bit of my post where I pointed out the asian businesses attacked and people stabbed and nazi salutes and continuing with the standard retarded "just moderates, just football loving chaps"[/QUOTE] Sweet baby Jesus. You seem to think I care at all for nationalism, or have any rebutal for their actions, like you want me to defend them? Of course I won't fucking defend these actions.

[QUOTE=Faunze;52736048]I haven't once mentioned in this thread about bombings or any militant activity from the Muslim community in the UK, I don't think you're quite on board with the conversation. I'll address your points all the same though, as tiring as it is to repeat myself. I don't condone the EDL, support them, or give excuses for violence, or indeed even tone it down. What I think you have is a supremely optimistic world view, and so anything as far as a beating or the occasional street mob related death in a country of almost 66 million people with varying levels of poverty and education are a big problem worth pissing in your pants about. Yes, in my eyes, these actions are moderate. Extreme for me is burning people in the streets while others look round and cheer with pleasure. Extreme for me is genocide. What we are dealing with here are a very, very small percentage of cunts with bats and knives taking their anger out on people that probably don't deserve it, run of the mill shit, basically, that happens in almost every country all over the first world that faces social integration issues. Please check your emotions and assumptions about my world beliefs at the door the next time you want to attack me personally. [editline]1st October 2017[/editline] Sweet baby Jesus. You seem to think I care at all for nationalism, or have any rebutal for their actions, like you want me to defend them? Of course I won't fucking defend these actions.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The EDL are a bunch of rowdy lads who have grown up in these neighborhoods. They aren't careful with their wording but they aren't a necessarily violent bunch, only as much as football hooligans are.[/QUOTE] So you're willing to say that this is, by definition, a completely fabricated and factually incorrect statement? [QUOTE]Yes, in my eyes, these actions are moderate.[/QUOTE] Which, again, means you should look at what the word means. Moderate in a political context (which this is) means noun ˈmɒd(ə)rət/Submit 1. a person who [B]holds moderate views[/B], especially in politics. "an unlikely alliance of radicals and moderates" Moderate views [B]ARE NOT[/B] "We hate Pakis more than you" and stabbing people.

[QUOTE=ferrus;52735745]Why are mosques like this allowed to operate without submitting to regular inspection of the material being disseminated? It is very unsettling when some of them appear to function as a safe space for spreading a harmful ideology. The stuff they are saying in this video is straight out of Saudi Arabia and yet it's taught freely on UK soil.[/QUOTE] They have been subjected to some inspection but of course, and quite understandably, the government doesn't want to be prejudiced against these institutions on the grounds that only a few might be preaching radical Islamic teachings. Unfortunately it doesn't end there though, there are quite a few Islamic schools in England where science (especially evolution) have ceased being taught. I watched a good documentary about Dawkins going around the country to study faith teachings with regards to science and evolution. Here is a clip, please forgive the bullshit far right comments coming through and interrupting the good man with it's agenda. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQv-YSA_rI[/media] [editline]1st October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;52736092]So you're willing to say that this is, by definition, a completely fabricated and factually incorrect statement? Which, again, means you should look at what the word means. Moderate in a political context (which this is) means noun ˈmɒd(ə)rət/Submit 1. a person who [B]holds moderate views[/B], especially in politics. "an unlikely alliance of radicals and moderates" Moderate views [B]ARE NOT[/B] "We hate Pakis more than you" and stabbing people.[/QUOTE] OK you've picked apart my words quite enough, thank you, I'll be more careful not to make myself seem like a racist Muslim hating Nazi from now on.