• Senate Bill 5 Passes in Ohio
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[B][/B] [quote]CNN -- The Ohio state Senate passed a bill Wednesday that would curb the collective bargaining rights of public workers and strip away their power to strike. Lawmakers approved the measure by a count of 17 to 16, with six Republicans voting in opposition. The bill, known as Senate Bill 5, is supported by Republican Governor John Kasich. It would curb a 1983 Ohio state law that affords collective bargaining rights to public employees. "No surprise," said Senate President Tom Niehaus. "I've been saying for weeks that we have the votes to pass this bill. It reflects the diverse interests that our members have around the state of Ohio," he said. The near-500-page proposal was modified Tuesday with Republican-supported amendments cobbled into a single omnibus package. Modifications include new measures to settle workplace arbitration, limits on worker vacation and an end to their ability to negotiate health care and automatic pay raises based on seniority. The amended legislation would also restore collective bargaining rights on wages but ban strikes by all public-sector workers, imposing fines and terminating employment contracts for those who defy the ban. Democratic lawmakers described the proposal as union-busting. Their GOP counterparts argued that it's needed to tackle an overreach of union influence they regard as an impediment to fiscal reform. "It passed by the most narrowest of margin," said Democratic State Senator Joe Schiavoni. "That really shows how much public outcry on this bill. That they can change a 27-year-old law in three weeks is scary." Meanwhile, protesting crowds gathered in Columbus, Ohio, chanting slogans like "Shame on you!" following the Senate vote. Earlier Wednesday the measure sailed through a Senate Labor Committee following a last-minute GOP shuffle that resulted in the replacement of Republican Senator Bill Seitz. Seitz said he mostly supported the bill, and the need for collective bargaining reform, but disagreed with a provision that would allow employer management to "impose its will on the final terms of the contract when fact-finding and mediation fail." "That violates the fundamental principle that one cannot be simultaneously a judge and an advocate in his own cause," he said, calling for an "elected, independent, neutral" party to adjudicate those cases involving state workers. The bill now moves onto the Republican-controlled House where lawmakers are expected to take up the measure on March 10. Ohio, often considered a battleground for presidential politics, faces an $8 billion shortfall in the next two-year budget.[/quote][URL]http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/02/ohio.budget/index.html[/URL] (pardon the CNN) Because who needs teachers, firemen, policemen, freedom, etc. right?
Care to explain what Bill 5 is for those of us who don't know and don't feel like clicking the link just to find out? The content couldn't hurt your post, anyways. :smile:
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;28392598]Care to explain what Bill 5 is for those of us who don't know and don't feel like clicking the link just to find out? The content couldn't hurt your post, anyways. :smile:[/QUOTE] Basically what scott walker is trying to do.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;28392610]Basically what scott walker is trying to do.[/QUOTE] Who is Scott Walker? What is he trying to do?
[quote] [B](CNN)[/B] -- The Ohio state Senate passed a bill Wednesday that would curb the collective bargaining rights of public workers and strip away their power to strike. Lawmakers approved the measure by a count of 17 to 16, with six Republicans voting in opposition. The bill, known as Senate Bill 5, is supported by Republican Governor John Kasich. It would curb a 1983 Ohio state law that affords collective bargaining rights to public employees. "No surprise," said Senate President Tom Niehaus. "I've been saying for weeks that we have the votes to pass this bill. It reflects the diverse interests that our members have around the state of Ohio," he said. The near-500-page proposal was modified Tuesday with Republican-supported amendments cobbled into a single omnibus package. Modifications include new measures to settle workplace arbitration, limits on worker vacation and an end to their ability to negotiate health care and automatic pay raises based on seniority. The amended legislation would also restore collective bargaining rights on wages but ban strikes by all public-sector workers, imposing fines and terminating employment contracts for those who defy the ban. Democratic lawmakers described the proposal as union-busting. Their GOP counterparts argued that it's needed to tackle an overreach of union influence they regard as an impediment to fiscal reform. "It passed by the most narrowest of margin," said Democratic State Senator Joe Schiavoni. "That really shows how much public outcry on this bill. That they can change a 27-year-old law in three weeks is scary." Meanwhile, protesting crowds gathered in Columbus, Ohio, chanting slogans like "Shame on you!" following the Senate vote. Earlier Wednesday the measure sailed through a Senate Labor Committee following a last-minute GOP shuffle that resulted in the replacement of Republican Senator Bill Seitz. Seitz said he mostly supported the bill, and the need for collective bargaining reform, but disagreed with a provision that would allow employer management to "impose its will on the final terms of the contract when fact-finding and mediation fail." "That violates the fundamental principle that one cannot be simultaneously a judge and an advocate in his own cause," he said, calling for an "elected, independent, neutral" party to adjudicate those cases involving state workers. The bill now moves onto the Republican-controlled House where lawmakers are expected to take up the measure on March 10. Ohio, often considered a battleground for presidential politics, faces an $8 billion shortfall in the next two-year budget.[/quote]Fixed it for you OP.
The right to strike is very important, and so is collective bargaining. This bill is, to say the least, bullshit.
[quote]...curb the collective bargaining rights of public workers and strip away their powert to strike.[/quote] Welcome to the early 1900's.
The only good things to come out of Ohio is Skyline Chili, the Wright Brothers, and John Glenn. Stay classy you crazy buckeye of a state.
I kinda figured anyone who cared enough to post would already know. Basically, the rights to strike and unionize are being taken away from public employees. The bill also cuts into public employee benefits/paychecks and makes seniority a non-factor in the process of firing a public employee.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;28392618]Who is Scott Walker? What is he trying to do?[/QUOTE] governor of Wisconsin, and basically taking away unions for state workers, and trying too dissolve the entire system of unions and state worker rights.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;28392618]Who is Scott Walker? What is he trying to do?[/QUOTE] Apparently: [QUOTE]Social issues played a part in the campaign. Walker has stated that he is "100% pro-life",[33] meaning that he opposes abortion in all circumstances including in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.[19][34] He supports abstinence-only sex education in the public schools, and opposes state supported clinical services that provide birth control and testing and treatment of sexually transmitted diseases to teens under the age of 18 without parental consent.[19] He supports the right of pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for contraceptives on religious or moral grounds.[19][35] He supports adult stem cell research, but opposes human embryonic stem cell research.[36][16] As the election drew near, Barrett attempted to portray Walker as an extremist on social issues.[34][37][/QUOTE] Oh just damn it all to hell.
I believe this still needs to be voted in by the house, but anyways, good job voting in Kasich Ohio. /sarcasm
[QUOTE=EagleEye;28392849]I believe this still needs to be voted in by the house, but anyways, good job voting in Kasich Ohio. /sarcasm[/QUOTE] It does, though it hardly seems like it will be stopped there. The only hope, it seems, would be to get it put to referendum. Unfortunately, all the "unions = communism + Hitler" propaganda seems to work on a large majority of Ohioans. [editline]2nd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;28392618]Who is Scott Walker? What is he trying to do?[/QUOTE] I guess Midwestern news doesn't spread very far.
What idiot thought this was a good idea, people are obviously going to get upset about this.
We should strike against it.
My teachers are gonna be pissed.
This also begs the question, what does any of this bill have to do with cutting state budget costs? Other than MAYBE the slashing of the workers' salaries and benefits (which still won't help much), it has nothing involving cutting costs. Taking away collective bargaining rights and striking rights will do absolutely NOTHING to aid in lowering the defecit. Rights are not rights if you can take them away.
[QUOTE=Bombardier.;28392696]Welcome to the early 1900's.[/QUOTE] The Gilded age was 19th century, not 20th.
Now only time will tell how ruined this state will become because of this
[QUOTE=CunningHam;28393598]Just so you know, this is also apart of the governors plans to, among other things, reduce the salary of public school teachers to 25K-35K a year, not much above poverty and given the debts accumulated by the requirement of a masters degree 4 years after obtaining a bachelors, a requirement not shared with private schools, makes this absolute bullshit. PS, Ohioans, plan on having what teachers crazy enough to take the field flock to private schools rather than public schools, making proper education even more of a rich family's privilege.[/QUOTE] Hmm....aren't Republicans usually advocates of doing away with public services? By cutting their pay and causing good workers to turn away from the jobs, they can then make the argument that the offering of the public services themselves are flawed, so that they should be privatized. My god!
Damn. I used to love this place... I wish we'd make up our damn minds and affiliate with the left as a state.
God damnit Kasich!
Quick summary: Basically Governor Scott Walker (Republican) has pushed for this bill which strips collective bargaining rights and the right to strike by unions. He claims it is because of economic unions, but everyone knows it's just his political ideals being strongly anti-labor unions. To avoid this bill from being passed, state congress democrats walked out of the chamber to avoid enough people in for a vote. So basically he's resorting to cheap tactics to lure people back into congress. Thousands of people are protesting against this, and many of them are union members. Scott Walker is also now trying to get many of these workers (which are a large part of the public service sectors) fired or having huge pay-cuts simply for coming out and protesting. So after about 2 weeks of protest the state senate has passed the bill.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;28392830]Apparently: Oh just damn it all to hell.[/QUOTE] Wow, he's more of a scumbag than I thought.
Fml...
Fuck I just moved to Ohio.
[QUOTE=Drew P. Richard;28394578]Fuck I just moved to Ohio.[/QUOTE] Welcome to some un-fucking-predictable weather, and dipshits, dipshits everywhere. Where you at?
I'm in West Chester, outside of Cincinnati. I moved from Florida, so this is very cold to me.
My roommate at UC used to live there. I'm in Athens...yeah the only way you'd recognize it is for it's Halloweens. #2 party school FTW :toot:
[highlight]it passed in the senate god damnit not the house it's not all the way through yet[/highlight] but the house is batshit so that's not good any other Ohioers in here? Columbus represent [editline]2nd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vmonkey;28394845]Welcome to some un-fucking-predictable weather, and dipshits, dipshits everywhere. Where you at?[/QUOTE] oh god the weather it snowed one day and was 80 the next what the fuuuuuck [editline]2nd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;28392618]Who is Scott Walker? What is he trying to do?[/QUOTE] a dumbfuck ass backward governer
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