• 4chan's "project harpoon" brings out the beauty in overweight women
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[QUOTE=unrezt;48482179]"being bad at losing weight" implies they have tried. Only a total douche would make fun of someone for trying, and that isn't what this is about.[/QUOTE] Well regardless, would you actually want to emotionally abuse someone for being overweight, especially when it would just cause them to become depressed and eat more? Or would you actually want to give them directions, help them work out and give them advice, etc?
[QUOTE=Zyler;48482190]Well regardless, would you actually want to emotionally abuse someone for being overweight, especially when it would just cause them to become depressed and eat more? Or would you actually want to give them directions, help them work out and give them advice, etc?[/QUOTE] Am I missing something? When did this become about helping people who [I]want[/I] to lose weight? This is about calling out all these "being obese is cool and okay and I'm a good role model for your kids" fucktards.
what actually is the value of coming to grips with the viewpoints of a website that acts as the establishment for the unsupervised teenage wapanese school shooters of tomorrow
[QUOTE=Zyler;48482166]If you listen to any health scientists, the consensus right now is that we're in an obesity epidemic.[/QUOTE] ... okay? We're looking at the real numbers right now. We can see it's a problem. We're comparing it to other problems.
[QUOTE=unrezt;48482206]Am I missing something? When did this become about helping people who [I]want[/I] to lose weight? This is about calling out all these "being obese is cool and okay and I'm a good role model for your kids" fucktards.[/QUOTE] It's complicated because a few different people in this thread are talking about different things. So do you think that it's okay to make fun of fat acceptance people but not those who are overweight, who also believe it isn't healthy to be overweight? [editline]18th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48482211]... okay? We're looking at the real numbers right now. We can see it's a problem. We're comparing it to other problems.[/QUOTE] I was actually just adding onto your point, I wasn't disagreeing with you.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48482222]It's complicated because a few different people in this thread are talking about different things. So do you think that it's okay to make fun of fat acceptance people but not those who are overweight and who also believe it isn't healthy to be overweight?[/QUOTE] Criticize the group that believes fat is healthy for being idiots that are on the same anti-science level as anti-vaxxers Criticize the group that believes that fat is unhealthy/a negative thing but don't do anything about it for being lazy and not doing anything to better themselves.
[QUOTE=Velocet;48482232]Criticize the group that believes fat is healthy for being idiots that are on the same anti-science level as anti-vaxxers Criticize the group that believes that fat is unhealthy/a negative thing but don't do anything about it for being lazy and not doing anything to better themselves.[/QUOTE] Well as long as you're providing healthy alternatives and giving people the chance to change their minds instead of out-and-out abusing them, I don't see what the problem is.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48482222]I was actually just adding onto your point, I wasn't disagreeing with you.[/QUOTE] Gotcha, I think I misunderstood the point of the post.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48482166]If you listen to any health scientists, the consensus right now is that we're in an obesity epidemic.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and that needs to be addressed, and cultivating the idea that obesity is healthy and normal is definitely not conducive towards making progress on that. Clinical obesity shouldn't be applauded, it is a very real public health problem. That obesity-related deaths even meet [I]half[/I] the amount of cancer deaths is deeply disturbing. I do see the basic underlying points of the idealogy, though. Western society does seem to hold women to unrealistic standards, thanks mostly to mass media and advertisers, and I think that things like the Dove campaign do a good job of drawing attention to that. Those are average women with healthy bodyweights, not a problem, you dig?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48482248]Yeah, and that needs to be addressed, and "thin shaming" is definitely not conducive towards making progress on that. Clinical obesity shouldn't be applauded, it is a very real public health problem. That obesity-related deaths even meet [I]half[/I] the amount of cancer deaths is deeply disturbing. I do see the basic underlying points of the idealogy, though. Western society does seem to hold women to unrealistic standards, and I think that things like the Dove advertising campaign do a good job of drawing attention to that. Those are average women with healthy bodyweights, not a problem, you dig?[/QUOTE] I agree, and I think everyone in this thread is in agreement now that we've deconstructed the situation.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48482240]Well as long as you're providing healthy alternatives and giving people the chance to change their minds instead of out-and-out abusing them, I don't see what the problem is.[/QUOTE] Yeah, exactly. There's a way to communicate to people that obesity comes with many negative impacts on a healthy and social lifestyle without being an asshole. However, the people who are delusional enough to think that society and the media needs to change for them, they're too far gone and deserve to be ridiculed for what they are, extremists.
Instead of people's insults and disgusts about fat people, I'm way more interested in hearing their suggestions for those who want to lose weight but don't have the funds/are forced to shop on a tight budget, or have other issues such as lack of free/preparation time
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;48482277]Instead of people's insults and disgusts about fat people, I'm way more interested in hearing their suggestions for those who want to lose weight but don't have the funds/are forced to shop on a tight budget, or have other issues such as lack of free/preparation time[/QUOTE] It's a difficult situation, often a person's weight problems are caused specifically by lifestyle situations that are out of their control. Although there's usually something else that is very wrong if someone is, for example, morbidly obese, that goes outside of lifestyle factors. These include things like depression or illness that should be treated by the appropriate professionals. As for budgets/lack of funds, I support the installment of outdoor gyms in public parks for specifically this reason. You don't need an electric treadmill or a bench press to exercise, setting up metal bars and specially designed workout tables similar to those in a children's playground would be enough for most people. Paths or walking tracks can also be set up to practice power-walking, jogging and running.
A good start would be to cut as much fat and sugar from your diet as possible(water instead of cola, no deep fried stuff, no fast food, etc), cut white bread and replace it with stuff like rye and spelt, heard jewish bakeries are pretty good for getting decent bread in america that doesn't taste like cake layers. Also wild rice is decently cheap and makes a filling part of a meal that can be used in a ton of different recipes. You don't get as fuckhuge as the picture in the OP overnight or due to genetics.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;48481728]Despite it being /pol/ I really don't think there's a well thought out agenda on body shaming here, I think it's just to piss off a bunch of overly sensitive people and laugh at their tears.[/QUOTE] I agree that there needs to be a message about not accepting obesity, and needing your belly criticized to give folks the motive to exercise and diet, but 4chan is doing this in their typical "be as harsh and mean sounding as possible" which will do nothing but earn them scorn, more negative media attention, labels as a "troll campaign" and then promptly forgotten.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;48482277]Instead of people's insults and disgusts about fat people, I'm way more interested in hearing their suggestions for those who want to lose weight but don't have the funds/are forced to shop on a tight budget, or have other issues such as lack of free/preparation time[/QUOTE] It's not all that hard to shop on a tight budget but still eat healthy; rice, beans, tofu and chicken are healthy foods that can be made with little preparations if you buy the rice precooked and the beans canned, all incredibly cheap too. All you need left is maybe some leafy greens, fruits and fortified cereals to take care of the rest of your needs. You can live off of rice, beans and chicken/tofu for life, they're incredibly healthy foods.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;48482277]Instead of people's insults and disgusts about fat people, I'm way more interested in hearing their suggestions for those who want to lose weight but don't have the funds/are forced to shop on a tight budget, or have other issues such as lack of free/preparation time[/QUOTE] In an era where you can type "fast healthy meals" into Google and get more results than you know what to do with, lack of information isn't a good excuse. I'm completely for educating people because knowing about nutrition is by far the easiest way to lose weight, but this is more about having the motivation to actually do it than not knowing how. I think there's an [url=http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/You+can+lead+a+horse+to+water]old saying[/url] about this actually.
Hell, even in a world where shitty food is cheaper, it's not like you can't lose weight, you just have to portion your food right. Read the damn labels, measure your food and count the calories. Labels are important! They tell you how many chips is 100 calories and how much of this chicken is 200, so then all you have to do is get a calorie intake appropriate for your weight to lose it. Anyone on any budget with any amount of time can do this if they take 2 minutes out of their day to look at their foods and portion them right.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48482416]heres the issue, while i can live for months at a time on boiled beans with salt and some hot sauce, most people want their food to taste great and i cant really blame them yeah, you can make the simplest ingredients taste good, but most people lack the skill or knowhow to (and not just a recipe, cooking goes deeper than that if you want to be any good at it)[/QUOTE] This is a great resource for quickly finding ideas of things to eat: [url]http://www.whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48482416]heres the issue, while i can live for months at a time on boiled beans with salt and some hot sauce, most people want their food to taste great and i cant really blame them yeah, you can make the simplest ingredients taste good, but most people lack the skill or knowhow to (and not just a recipe, cooking goes deeper than that if you want to be any good at it)[/QUOTE] I bought some precooked rice and canned beans and bought a sauce for my tofu, put some virgin olive oil in a pan and cook it for like 5 minutes tops, incredibly easy and it tastes fine by my books, I can live off this stuff if I had to. You don't have to be good at cooking to make something edible and tastes fine on a cheap budget. [editline]17th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;48482434]information overload is the issue, theres so many different recipes, with "healthy" being a term that differs vastly from person to person, to it all and all sorts of fad diets clouding up the space that it can be difficult to find food thats 1. tasty 2. healthy 3. cheap 4. fast/easy to make[/QUOTE] I agree with you there, I think there is a problem about general education on this issue that people are missing. The resources are there but some people are just in the dark on how to achieve what they're looking for. Not trying to say they're stupid, I was that person too when I went up to 209 pounds but I took the time to figure out what I wanted and managed to lose 65 of those pounds on my own and I'm at 145 now, healthy weight for my height.
The problem I have with the issue of Fat-shaming is the fact that people seem to think that it actually causes people to lose weight, which is an absolutely absurd notion since someone who eats so heavily like that isn't going to lose weight that way. Rather, Fat-shaming likely causes those kinds of people to gain weight, simply because what happens is those people get depressed or saddened by the fact that their fat after seeing some fat-shaming post and what do they do? They go to the thing that makes them feel good, I.E. food, and all that happens is a never ending cycle of fat-shaming and weight gain. Fat-acceptance isn't really any better by the way. If someone is fat and knows that fat is bad, then seeing movements targeted at fat people for fat acceptance is just patronizing as hell and probably won't help at all.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48482455]The problem I have with the issue of Fat-shaming is the fact that people seem to think that it actually causes people to lose weight, which is an absolutely absurd notion since someone who eats so heavily like that isn't going to lose weight that way. Rather, Fat-shaming likely causes those kinds of people to gain weight, simply because what happens is those people get depressed or saddened by the fact that their fat after seeing some fat-shaming post and what do they do? They go to the thing that makes them feel good, I.E. food, and all that happens is a never ending cycle of fat-shaming and weight gain.[/QUOTE] I agree with you, although nobody in this thread is promoting that kind of emotional abuse.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48482470]I agree with you, although nobody in this thread is promoting that kind of emotional abuse.[/QUOTE] Yeah I know, I'm just trying to get that out of the way and done with before anyone tries to start.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48482451]the key is healthy and cheap i feel, since one can assume a lot of obesity comes from poverty while i love that site, it also suggests things like bbq ribs which are very easy to make incredibly unhealthy or binge on without noticing[/QUOTE] How about this site: [url]http://www.thugkitchen.com/recipes[/url] It's the same basic idea but it gives you very healthy recipes.
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;48482277]Instead of people's insults and disgusts about fat people, I'm way more interested in hearing their suggestions for those who want to lose weight but don't have the funds/are forced to shop on a tight budget, or have other issues such as lack of free/preparation time[/QUOTE] Losing weight doesn't require extra money. If anything, you'll save money. And the only time it demands is the time for your body to naturally burn the fat away. You don't need gym memberships or expensive diet programs. You don't even need to exercise. You just need to keep an eye on your food intake, and that is a very simple thing to do. Free apps like "MyFitnessPal" make it incredibly easy, but you can even just do it old fashioned way by keeping a journal of what you have eaten. The process behind creating and losing fat is simple. Your body needs a certain amount of energy to function. If you exceed that energy input, it stores the excess as fat to be used later. If you come in at a deficit, your body taps into the stored energy to make up the difference. Simply put, all you have to do is find your body's maintenance level of calorie input (based on gender, age, and height-- there are calculators online), and make sure that your daily intake is less than that. Some foods are way more efficient than others for this, but you don't have to eat nothing but salads and carrots to get by. Just cut out the inefficient foods and eat healthy portions of the efficient stuff. Dieting aids like MyFitnessPal (they have a free website too) help a lot with identifying efficient kinds of food, and online recipe websites like AllTheCooks can help you find great low-cal recipes. Assuming you have a normally functioning body, just following that formula WILL make you lose weight. On a conservative diet, you could lose about a pound a week. Mine is a little more strict, and I averaged two pounds per week. Here are some of my favorite dieting foods: -Chicken -Fish -Shrimp -Turkey -Spaghetti Squash (amazing) -Soybeans -Green bean casserole -Zucchini -Mushrooms -Apples with PB2 (low-calorie powdered peanut butter) -Lean Gourmet meals ($1 each) -Veggie stir fry -Jello -Apples
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48482423]Hell, even in a world where shitty food is cheaper, it's not like you can't lose weight, you just have to portion your food right. Read the damn labels, measure your food and count the calories. Labels are important! They tell you how many chips is 100 calories and how much of this chicken is 200, so then all you have to do is get a calorie intake appropriate for your weight to lose it. Anyone on any budget with any amount of time can do this if they take 2 minutes out of their day to look at their foods and portion them right.[/QUOTE] I love it when something that looks like a small bag of chips says "oh this is 10% of everything you need in one serving, it'll be alright" and that bag is like "lol this is like 10 servings"
Im just surprised on why the hell fat acceptance is a thing. I mean jesus, its basically saying, im completely unhealthy, but you criticizing me for not is being an asshole.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48482510]Im just surprised on why the hell fat acceptance is a thing. I mean jesus, its basically saying, im completely unhealthy, but you criticizing me for not is being an asshole.[/QUOTE] Smoking is unhealthy, most people know that, but going out of your way to tell people that it is is sort of rude. If you're a concerned friend or family member, I'd understand you going out of your way to try and help them by giving them positive reinforcement on the choices they're making, but if you're a complete stranger anything you have to say is just going to come off as rude and being a cunt, even if you're totally in the right.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48482493]Losing weight doesn't require extra money. If anything, you'll save money. And the only time it demands is the time for your body to naturally burn the fat away. You don't need gym memberships or expensive diet programs. You don't even need to exercise. You just need to keep an eye on your food intake, and that is a very simple thing to do. Free apps like "MyFitnessPal" make it incredibly easy, but you can even just do it old fashioned way by keeping a journal of what you have eaten. The process behind creating and losing fat is simple. Your body needs a certain amount of energy to function. If you exceed that energy input, it stores the excess as fat to be used later. If you come in at a deficit, your body taps into the stored energy to make up the difference. Simply put, all you have to do is find your body's maintenance level of calorie input (based on gender, age, and height-- there are calculators online), and make sure that your daily intake is less than that. Some foods are way more efficient than others for this, but you don't have to eat nothing but salads and carrots to get by. Just cut out the inefficient foods and eat healthy portions of the efficient stuff. Dieting aids like MyFitnessPal (they have a free website too) help a lot with identifying efficient kinds of food, and online recipe websites like AllTheCooks can help you find great low-cal recipes. Assuming you have a normally functioning body, just following that formula WILL make you lose weight. On a conservative diet, you could lose about a pound a week. Mine is a little more strict, and I averaged two pounds per week. Here are some of my favorite dieting foods: -Chicken -Fish -Shrimp -Turkey -Spaghetti Squash (amazing) -Soybeans -Green bean casserole -Zucchini -Mushrooms -Apples with PB2 (low-calorie powdered peanut butter) -Lean Gourmet meals ($1 each) -Veggie stir fry -Jello -Apples[/QUOTE] This is the kind of shit that should be taught in schools, bravo!
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48482527]Smoking is unhealthy, most people know that, but going out of your way to tell people that it is is sort of rude. If you're a concerned friend or family member, I'd understand you going out of your way to try and help them by giving them positive reinforcement on the choices they're making, but if you're a complete stranger anything you have to say is just going to come off as rude and being a cunt, even if you're totally in the right.[/QUOTE] This is totally different, some of these people on tumblr are trying to glorify being fat. It's nothing to be proud of, you shouldn't totally hate yourself but don't be proud that you don't want to lose weight.
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