• North Korea threatens 'all-out war' over warship sinking report
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[QUOTE=GunFox;22097758]Let's just bomb their power plants. They already suffer from insufficient power. May as well just make the problem worse. Casualties are minimal, but the cost to repair is high and it can cripple morale. If it continues, salt their fields with aircraft. It would also start a war. But frankly a million NK soldiers just isn't that threatening with their level of technology. Particularly when they have to fight hungry and in the dark. I'm just over North Korea. They will eventually get nukes and their current leader is actually insane enough to use one. It would be okay if it looked like the people were revving up for a revolution. But revolution is nearly impossible because the people are starving brainwashed peasants who rarely even have electricity much less any form of communication from outside their nation. Not only can they not help themselves because of their fucked up government, but outside powers can't help either because they have been brainwashed into fearing and hating them with a passion. This leaves few options for dealing with North Korea.[/QUOTE] Hey guys lets destroy their power plants, that surely would stop the countless amounts of artillery from leveling Seoul and killing millions in a matter of minutes. Every time a thread like this is made you suggest the dumbest things. Millions of soldiers aren't a threat? They are when they are on the border ready to steamroll anything that stands between them and South Korea. Also lets not forget China, who has been supporting North Korea for how long now? It's not like they will suddenly decide to not support them, China already has the U.S by the balls with all the money they are owed. [editline]05:22AM[/editline] [QUOTE=combine487;22097882]North Korea is going to get FUCKED up. Imagine how many missiles are pointed at it right now[/QUOTE] You know nothing, please stop.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;22097877]They already have nuclear capability. If you bomb their power plants, they will flatten Seoul. No one can touch North Korea because they always have South Korea by the balls.[/QUOTE] Would it be possible for South Korea to evacuate Seoul before a preemptive strike? If SK evacuated before they made the first move wouldn't it not really matter if NK struck at Seoul? The infrastructure damage would be horrible, but that could be repaired.
[QUOTE=Incognito;22097888] You know nothing, please stop.[/QUOTE] I know I'm just takin the piss
[QUOTE=Incognito;22097888]Every time a thread like this is made you suggest the dumbest things. [/QUOTE] Haha I was just thinking to my self. "Man Gunfox must be losing it in his old age" Because he keeps posting more and more retarded things. [editline]10:25AM[/editline] [QUOTE=StupidUsername67;22097903]Would it be possible for South Korea to evacuate Seoul before a preemptive strike? If SK evacuated before they made the first move wouldn't it not really matter if NK struck at Seoul? The infrastructure damage would be horrible, but that could be repaired.[/QUOTE] No you can't evacuate a city in a timely manner. The roads would be blocked from millions trying to flee the sky raining shells.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;22097909]Haha I was just thinking to my self. "Man Gunfox must be losing it in his old age" Because he keeps posting more and more retarded things. [editline]10:25AM[/editline] No you can't evacuate a city in a timely manner. The roads would be blocked from millions trying to flee the sky raining shells.[/QUOTE] So there's literally no way to save the people of Seoul from being flattened? Can't they build bomb shelters within the city?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;22097909]Haha I was just thinking to my self. "Man Gunfox must be losing it in his old age" Because he keeps posting more and more retarded things. [editline]10:25AM[/editline] No you can't evacuate a city in a timely manner. The roads would be blocked from millions trying to flee the sky raining shells.[/QUOTE] It just annoys me knowing so many people think that if North Korea is attacked nothing bad would happen to South Korea. [editline]05:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=StupidUsername67;22097938]So there's literally no way to save the people of Seoul from being flattened? Can't they build bomb shelters within the city?[/QUOTE] They would need a shit ton of bomb shelters.
It is suspected that they have Nuclear capabilities and that they have done underground tests, it's not exacly confirmed though and don't really have an effective way of deploying it if they do. If we knocked out their power plants, their communications and pretty much all high tech equipment would be out. If it was a co-ordinated attack and numerous artillery sites were also targeted, that might stop the initial counterattack. There would be some kind of backup power system and hidden artillery sites, but they would be nowhere as effective. China isn't a problem, China has drifted away from the Communist stuff and NK is becoming more of a Totalitarian Dictatorship. China would either abstain from the conflict or join the US.
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;22097938]So there's literally no way to save the people of Seoul from being flattened? Can't they build bomb shelters within the city?[/QUOTE] Maybe the 'important' people would have.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22098001]It is suspected that they have Nuclear capabilities and that they have done underground tests, it's not exacly confirmed though and don't really have an effective way of deploying it if they do. If we knocked out their power plants, their communications and pretty much all high tech equipment would be out. If it was a co-ordinated attack and numerous artillery sites were also targeted, that might stop the initial counterattack. There would be some kind of backup power system and hidden artillery sites, but they would be nowhere as effective. China isn't a problem, China has drifted away from the Communist stuff and NK is becoming more of a Totalitarian Dictatorship. China would either abstain from the conflict or join the US.[/QUOTE] Have fun trying to destroy artillery installations built into the side of mountains.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22098001]It is suspected that they have Nuclear capabilities and that they have done underground tests, it's not exactly confirmed though and don't really have an effective way of deploying it if they do. If we knocked out their power plants, their communications and pretty much all high tech equipment would be out. If it was a co-ordinated attack and numerous artillery sites were also targeted, that might stop the initial counterattack. There would be some kind of backup power system and hidden artillery sites, but they would be nowhere as effective. China isn't a problem, China has drifted away from the Communist stuff and NK is becoming more of a Totalitarian Dictatorship. China would either abstain from the conflict or join the US.[/QUOTE] All the power plants would do is hurt the civilian population not the military defenses or equipment. NK also has to many long range weapons to utterly devastate SK. combined with their soviet SAM grid a joint air strike on the country is all but impossible to do in a surgical manner. While nothing will come of this attack if they ever DID go to war it would be all out war. Not this dog and pony show people think it will be.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;22067861]If NK starts a war it will be 1 v.s the world.[/QUOTE] Last time a "1 vs. the world" war happened it still ended up bad
[QUOTE=Incognito;22097888]Hey guys lets destroy their power plants, that surely would stop the countless amounts of artillery from leveling Seoul and killing millions in a matter of minutes. Every time a thread like this is made you suggest the dumbest things. Millions of soldiers aren't a threat? They are when they are on the border ready to steamroll anything that stands between them and South Korea. Also lets not forget China, who has been supporting North Korea for how long now? It's not like they will suddenly decide to not support them, China already has the U.S by the balls with all the money they are owed. [/QUOTE] No shit. Seoul being flattened is the outcome of virtually every course of action. This is why we've spent half a century trying to pursue every other possible course of action. But now North Korea has apparently decided that it can sink ships without fear of reprisal. What next? Are they just going to start pirating the South Korean vessels? We can't sanction them. It doesn't work. They are already poor starving farmers that put everything into their military. Basically you are suggesting that North Korea be allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want. And no, millions of soldiers are not that scary. They are poorly equipped and have virtually no method of avoiding complete annihilation by the SK military. Not to mention their allies. A lot of people like South Korea and almost nobody likes North Korea. Defensive operations are easy to mobilize on from a political standpoint. Basically it would be NK vs NATO. Which is a fight that they would essentially lose in a matter of weeks. NK has friends in China, but China relies on the west HEAVILY from an economic standpoint. We can't attack China, but China cannot attack the west either. Peace through trade. But no, go right ahead and suggest nothing be done. Lets just leave South Korea at the hands of their psychotic neighbors to the North. It's not like we are allies or anything. [editline]06:14AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bluesummers;22098222]All the power plants would do is hurt the civilian population not the military defenses or equipment. NK also has to many long range weapons to utterly devastate SK. combined with their soviet SAM grid a joint air strike on the country is all but impossible to do in a surgical manner. While nothing will come of this attack if they ever DID go to war it would be all out war. Not this dog and pony show people think it will be.[/QUOTE] Civilians get almost no power. It all goes to the military and the Government. Which is why power plants are an even better target. You hit them in the government and largely leave the people unaffected. Or at least as unaffected as they can be. Also Soviet SAM sites cannot target modern stealth aircraft. They would be shooting nearly blind. And frankly the Soviet Sam sites were shit even in the cold war.
I'd never want to live in Seoul. The constant threat of artillery would make my life there way too stressful.
We should just put the B-2 Spirits to use. They were meant for areas with heavy radar coverage.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22097758]Let's just bomb their power plants. They already suffer from insufficient power. May as well just make the problem worse. Casualties are minimal, but the cost to repair is high and it can cripple morale. [B]If it continues, salt their fields with aircraft. [/B] It would also start a war. But frankly a million NK soldiers just isn't that threatening with their level of technology. Particularly when they have to fight hungry and in the dark. I'm just over North Korea. They will eventually get nukes and their current leader is actually insane enough to use one. It would be okay if it looked like the people were revving up for a revolution. But revolution is nearly impossible because the people are starving brainwashed peasants who rarely even have electricity much less any form of communication from outside their nation. Not only can they not help themselves because of their fucked up government, but outside powers can't help either because they have been brainwashed into fearing and hating them with a passion. This leaves few options for dealing with North Korea.[/QUOTE] yes let's make their food problem even worse by destroying their agriculture i see no flaws with this plan
That guy's name in the video was Colonel Pak In Ho lol.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22099859]yes let's make their food problem even worse by destroying their agriculture i see no flaws with this plan[/QUOTE] They have a food problem because they don't trade. They don't trade because they have a fuckwit for a leader. No matter how tyrannical their leader is however, the leader still needs the people. If he maintains the same course, his people starve and his power vanishes, but if he opens negotiations, then trade can open and his people will do better than ever before and he gets to remain in power. But now he has at least a temporary reliance on outside trade, which may be all that it takes to make him realize he can do far better simply working with the world. The nice outcomes here are few and far between. And something does need to be done. Kim poses a direct threat to both South Korea and Japan. The defense of Japan is the direct responsibility of the United States military.
[QUOTE=Second-gear-of-mgear;22097091]I've been reading the wiki article on Korea as a whole, and wow south korea has a large reserve army. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops[/URL] Their main and reserve army, plus the US and other allied armies, we already know who'd win this one.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's because of national service. Means basically every korean guy over 20 can shoot a gun.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22098357] [editline]06:14AM[/editline] Civilians get almost no power. It all goes to the military and the Government. Which is why power plants are an even better target. You hit them in the government and largely leave the people unaffected. Or at least as unaffected as they can be. Also Soviet SAM sites cannot target modern stealth aircraft. They would be shooting nearly blind. And frankly the Soviet Sam sites were shit even in the cold war.[/QUOTE] i don't see how you can say that when any US military report states that a air attack on NK would be utterly devastating to the attackers. the north Koreans are using old soviet tech yes, but it is nothing to laugh at. It is not like we are fielding the F-117 anymore or stealth capable F-35's the Koreans have Some scary shit when you think about it as well, they have the Strela- 2a and 2b as well as the SA-14s. They also claim to use late era Iglas and this is just their MANPADS, this does not even come close to the hundreds upon thousands upon hundreds of thousands of AAA batteries they have. The only safe way of truly striking NK would be long range Cruise missile strikes. or maybe drones but the shits is way to expensive and the drones themselves are to easy to shoot down from what we are seeing in Iraq.
[QUOTE=Bluesummers;22106201] or maybe drones but the shits is way to expensive and the drones themselves are to easy to shoot down from what we are seeing in Iraq.[/QUOTE] dude just look for the tiny helicopter thing and hit it a couple times with your sniper rifle
Love the amount of dumb shit going on in this thread, yeah sure lets nuke them killing massive amounts of entirely innocent people who have done nothing wrong and are imprisoned in their own country. Brilliant idea, yay Hiroshima all over again.
I read a report a long while back that hypothesised that the North Koreans could do well for the first 24 hours. In which time the US Military would deploy. I doubt it was a very credible thesis though.
[QUOTE=Bluesummers;22106201]i don't see how you can say that when any US military report states that a air attack on NK would be utterly devastating to the attackers. the north Koreans are using old soviet tech yes, but it is nothing to laugh at. It is not like we are fielding the F-117 anymore or stealth capable F-35's the Koreans have Some scary shit when you think about it as well, they have the Strela- 2a and 2b as well as the SA-14s. They also claim to use late era Iglas and this is just their MANPADS, this does not even come close to the hundreds upon thousands upon hundreds of thousands of AAA batteries they have. The only safe way of truly striking NK would be long range Cruise missile strikes. or maybe drones but the shits is way to expensive and the drones themselves are to easy to shoot down from what we are seeing in Iraq.[/QUOTE] Here's the North Korean military expert. So from where exactly do you get your knowledge?
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;22064654]Oh Shit. [editline]06:02PM[/editline] Chances of a nuclear war in my lifetime are resoundingly high.[/QUOTE] You can only say that if you were around during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That's the closest the world has ever gotten to annihilating itself with nukes. This hardly comes close.
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;22109327]Here's the North Korean military expert. So from where exactly do you get your knowledge?[/QUOTE] there is no shortage of information available on the subject if you look, would you like links to everything?
nice 1 north korea protest your innocence with all out war *facepalm*
This is what happened with Hitler. Broke little, almost insignificant rules, and then fucked shit up. I'm not relating N. Korea to Nazi Germany, but bad shit happens when we leave it alone which is essentially what the UN is doing. Tell those fuckers that if they don't cut this shit out, we will unite and MAKE them cut it out.
[QUOTE=Bluesummers;22106201]i don't see how you can say that when any US military report states that a air attack on NK would be utterly devastating to the attackers. the north Koreans are using old soviet tech yes, but it is nothing to laugh at. It is not like we are fielding the F-117 anymore or stealth capable F-35's the Koreans have Some scary shit when you think about it as well, they have the Strela- 2a and 2b as well as the SA-14s. They also claim to use late era Iglas and this is just their MANPADS, this does not even come close to the hundreds upon thousands upon hundreds of thousands of AAA batteries they have. The only safe way of truly striking NK would be long range Cruise missile strikes. or maybe drones but the shits is way to expensive and the drones themselves are to easy to shoot down from what we are seeing in Iraq.[/QUOTE] The MANPADS outside of the absolute most recent ones are of little threat to fighter aircraft. They are largely designed to engage and destroy helicopters or slower moving aircraft. Surface to Air missiles (MANPADs excluded as they generally rely on passive heat seeking) almost universally rely on the launcher being able to track the target and send data to the missile. This is extremely difficult however when the tracker can barely even detect the aircraft in the first place. And in order to detect it at all, it has to widen the search band so much that it removes its ability to actually track the location of the aircraft past a general direction. Even assuming they can manage to detect it ever. Yes we do not have the F-117 anymore. But that is because the B-2 Spirit (A stupidly expensive, but also nearly undetectable strategic bomber designed specifically to penetrate soviet air defenses undetected) and F-22 Raptor can fill the role. The raptor is indeed an air supremacy fighter, but it has ground attack capabilities and can't even be engaged by other air supremacy aircraft IN VISUAL RANGE because the aircraft generates such a small heat and RADAR signature. The Raptor is so ridiculously over engineered that it isn't even funny.
I bet obama is stressing out right now. What we need is some big italian president, so when another foreign leader fuck something up, the italian president will go up to him and be like "KIM, BABY! What are ya tryna do ta me, eh? come on man, we friends! friends dont do that ta friends!" and Kim Jong Il would either like him so much because of his charisma, or he would fear his italian-ness
NK: world's largest troll They have the most fucking dumbshit logic ever. They are pretty much saying "we sank the ship" when they throw words around like "all out war"
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