• North Korea threatens 'all-out war' over warship sinking report
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[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22117631]I bet obama is stressing out right now. What we need is some big italian president, so when another foreign leader fuck something up, the italian president will go up to him and be like "KIM, BABY! What are ya tryna do ta me, eh? come on man, we friends! friends dont do that ta friends!" and Kim Jong Il would either like him so much because of his charisma, or he would fear his italian-ness[/QUOTE] What the fuck?
South Korea taking it up the ass. [editline]05:54AM[/editline] again
North Korea is bad news in general. Pretty much no one wants unification of Korea. - South Korea's economy would collapse from introducing so many in poverty - The US doesn't want this, who would make our Samsung stuff and buy StarCraft? The best solution would be for the North Koreans to revolt against their government, and start their own democracy, to compete with South Korea. But everyone there is so brainwashed and outnumbered by massive amounts of troops, it's unlikely. If China would stop being such a cock and would stop trading with them, they'd literally collapse on themselves and the problem may solve itself.
We're all military experts here, leave your plans for taking out a military dictatorship country here! Edit: The guy above me has a degree in economics, clearly.
I call bullshit. Just let em try something
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22117631]I bet obama is stressing out right now. What we need is some big italian president, so when another foreign leader fuck something up, the italian president will go up to him and be like "KIM, BABY! What are ya tryna do ta me, eh? come on man, we friends! friends dont do that ta friends!" and Kim Jong Il would either like him so much because of his charisma, or he would fear his italian-ness[/QUOTE] Yeah. You're not funny. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;22117718]If China would stop being such a cock and would stop trading with them, they'd literally collapse on themselves and the problem may solve itself.[/QUOTE] Well, if there's one thing the Mainlander Communists don't want, it's having South Korean and American troops by the Yalu River and thousands of North Korean refugees fleeing into their territory.
[QUOTE=Me0wmix;22117639]NK: world's largest troll They have the most fucking dumbshit logic ever. They are pretty much saying "we sank the ship" when they throw words around like "all out war"[/QUOTE] they do this all the time. Most of the time it ends in the usa sending a bunch of food along as they promise to play nice for a month or two.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;22117871]Well, if there's one thing the Mainlander Communists don't want, it's having South Korean and American troops by the Yalu River and thousands of North Korean refugees fleeing into their territory.[/QUOTE] The issue is the Chinese wouldn't declare direct war on America. A very good reason for this is because doing so would automatically devastate both of our economies. One they could take out treasury funds from America ,but then doing so would force America to cancel all trade agreements. What does that mean? China would be forced to hold 82% of gross goods they export to the Americas. In regard too most statements.. All North Koreans are forced to sign up at 17. In the cases of war I've [I]heard[/I] rumors that they conscript 12-15 year olds. If that's the case then as many of the old breeds from the first fights in the 50's would be correct with the statement,"Not enough bullets to kill them all" ,and we may have to resort to tactical nuclear warheads or carpet bombing their positions in order to devastate their morale. The problem with the above is... Option A: -Nuclear Radiation will go into China ,and kill off civilians depending on the wind pattern. -NK will react with using non-tactical nukes -Nuclear War in the Far East would devastate a good majority of the economical/industrial world. Option B: -As much as it's effective we'll kill a shit ton of children which could react negatively. -It's incredibly hard to hit a coward in a hole. -The Post-War Reunification Funds would skyrocket into the billions if not trillions of dollars. As much as I hate to say a land invasion wouldn't be much different. I believe most of us would have to question would we have to kill every single man,women,and child in North Korea before anything is settled. The most sane solution is carpet bombing considering if we attempt just a full land invasion we would be forced to use controversial tactics such as gas-attacking NK Fortifications. All in all... War casualties would defiantly reach a million with the end of the first year.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;22117871]Well, if there's one thing the Mainlander Communists don't want, it's having South Korean and American troops by the Yalu River and thousands of North Korean refugees fleeing into their territory.[/QUOTE] I don't think that would happen, if the NK government collapsed. Both South Korea and China could maintain the already ridiculous border presence they have already, the NK citizens would be forced to start their own government. I think China sees the value of North Korea as a powerful trump card for negotiations against the US and the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;22118086]I don't think that would happen, if the NK government collapsed. Both South Korea and China could maintain the already ridiculous border presence they have already, the NK citizens would be forced to start their own government.[/QUOTE] In the chaos and confusion and if South Korea decides to go north in case of war, there will be North Korean civilians escaping into Mainland China to until everything's over.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;22118157]In the chaos and confusion and if South Korea decides to go north in case of war, there will be North Korean civilians escaping into Mainland China to until everything's over.[/QUOTE] I suppose so, but I don't think that would be their main reason for supporting North Korea's shit. Thailand, Laos, and Burma see unrest and border China...
[QUOTE=Nyaos;22118307]I suppose so, but I don't think that would be their main reason for supporting North Korea's shit. Thailand, Laos, and Burma see unrest and border China...[/QUOTE] North Korea is the PRC's own little buffer state, that's all.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;22118391]North Korea is the PRC's own little buffer state, that's all.[/QUOTE] Yeah I agree with you, but I just think its for solely political play.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22097758]Let's just bomb their power plants. They already suffer from insufficient power. May as well just make the problem worse. Casualties are minimal, but the cost to repair is high and it can cripple morale. If it continues, salt their fields with aircraft. It would also start a war. But frankly a million NK soldiers just isn't that threatening with their level of technology. Particularly when they have to fight hungry and in the dark. I'm just over North Korea. They will eventually get nukes and their current leader is actually insane enough to use one. It would be okay if it looked like the people were revving up for a revolution. But revolution is nearly impossible because the people are starving brainwashed peasants who rarely even have electricity much less any form of communication from outside their nation. Not only can they not help themselves because of their fucked up government, but outside powers can't help either because they have been brainwashed into fearing and hating them with a passion. This leaves few options for dealing with North Korea.[/QUOTE] jesus christ gunfox you are so dumb [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - GunFox))[/highlight]
If they do it they will regret it
"Mr. Kim Jong, the Americans are having an international party, and we're not invited!" "Threaten [I]All [U]Out[/U][/I] [B][U][I]War[/I][/U][/B]!!" "Mr. Kim Jong, the North-South Korean relations are not very good!" "Threaten [I]All [U]Out[/U][/I] [B][U][I]War[/I][/U][/B]!!" "Mr. Kim Jong, the Americans are conducting surveillance on our nuclear program!" "Threaten [I]All [U]Out[/U][/I] [B][U][I]War[/I][/U][/B]!!"
[QUOTE=GunFox;22117593]The MANPADS outside of the absolute most recent ones are of little threat to fighter aircraft. They are largely designed to engage and destroy helicopters or slower moving aircraft. Surface to Air missiles (MANPADs excluded as they generally rely on passive heat seeking) almost universally rely on the launcher being able to track the target and send data to the missile. This is extremely difficult however when the tracker can barely even detect the aircraft in the first place. And in order to detect it at all, it has to widen the search band so much that it removes its ability to actually track the location of the aircraft past a general direction. Even assuming they can manage to detect it ever. Yes we do not have the F-117 anymore. But that is because the B-2 Spirit (A stupidly expensive, but also nearly undetectable strategic bomber designed specifically to penetrate soviet air defenses undetected) and F-22 Raptor can fill the role. The raptor is indeed an air supremacy fighter, but it has ground attack capabilities and can't even be engaged by other air supremacy aircraft IN VISUAL RANGE because the aircraft generates such a small heat and RADAR signature. The Raptor is so ridiculously over engineered that it isn't even funny.[/QUOTE] Ground attacks are up to the F-35 and maybe A10s.
F-35's aren't even being mass produced yet, and I doubt A-10's would venture more than 70-100 miles past the 38th Parallel The Problem with B-2's is they need a climate controlled hanger, and we have 21 or so, 19 of which are based in Missouri at Whiteman... They can take off from there, refuel over the pacific, hit around 330 NK Targets, and fly back.. But that's 330 targets per 24 hours... Not enough The F-22 can drop JDAMs and hit targets from many many many miles out because of the altitude and speed it can travel.. and can mount exterior pylons for extra ordinance and jettison them when no longer needed to become nearly invisible (Or completely invisible in NK's case) to radar You'll have B-2's, F-22's, F-18's from a couple carrier groups just pounding the shit out of NK while A-10's, Drones and C-130's, F-16's stick around the 38th, with massive troop buildups there as well, Naval forces from multiple countries surrounding the entire peninsula, And that's about it
[QUOTE=Wakka;22064611]An official report, carried out by South Korean investigators together with teams from the United States, Britain, Australia and Sweden, [/QUOTE] First country's to get bombed
[QUOTE=TheTalon;22121760]F-35's aren't even being mass produced yet, and I doubt A-10's would venture more than 70-100 miles past the 38th Parallel The Problem with B-2's is they need a climate controlled hanger, and we have 21 or so, 19 of which are based in Missouri at Whiteman... They can take off from there, refuel over the pacific, hit around 330 NK Targets, and fly back.. But that's 330 targets per 24 hours... Not enough The F-22 can drop JDAMs and hit targets from many many many miles out because of the altitude and speed it can travel.. and can mount exterior pylons for extra ordinance and jettison them when no longer needed to become nearly invisible (Or completely invisible in NK's case) to radar You'll have B-2's, F-22's, F-18's from a couple carrier groups just pounding the shit out of NK while A-10's, Drones and C-130's, F-16's stick around the 38th, with massive troop buildups there as well, Naval forces from multiple countries surrounding the entire peninsula, And that's about it[/QUOTE] Or do what they did in the Gulf war. Have a F111 to jam enemy radars, then have F15 to bomb the targets.
South Korea's frontline areas would fall quickly in the event of a blitzkrieg style attack, as the US and SK forces wouldn't be able to mobilize quickly. However, when troops are mobilized, there will be a frontline in central SK. Troops stationed in Japan would provide air support, as well as troops coming in. After a few weeks, US and allied troops would come in.
ITT everyone is an armchair general.
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[QUOTE=Chippay;22118717]jesus christ gunfox you are so dumb[/QUOTE] Oh okay, we'll just go to all out war instead. Good plan.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22122561]ITT everyone is an armchair general.[/QUOTE] I am just an armchair corporal, sarge.
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[QUOTE=Ignhelper;22122497]Or do what they did in the Gulf war. Have a F111 to jam enemy radars, then have F15 to bomb the targets.[/QUOTE] Actually the F-15E removes the need for the F-111. Which is one of the major reasons we retired it. F-15 is a ground attack variant with an electronic warfare package.
The question isn't if we can win a war with NK, it's the consequences of doing so.
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