• Police Thwart Mass Shooting in Crofton Maryland
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[QUOTE=Resfan;36962231]Who the fuck robs someone with a knife or a sword? A compound bow would be much better to rob someone with than a knife. Umm, people go on killing spree's with a axes, chainsaws, knives, baseball bats, hammers, or just their hands. A tool, is a fucking TOOL. How you use said TOOL is up to you. FYI, if you can't get my implications, a firearm is a TOOL.[/QUOTE] axes, chainsaws, knives, baseball bats, hammers, and hands have uses outside of maiming and killing people
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36962210]Who the fuck is gonna rob anyone with a compound bow? Who the fuck is he Robin Hood? Seriously what horrendously impractical bastard, would go on a killing spree with a compound bow? Really?[/QUOTE] The UK bans guns, what do people use to commit crimes? Knives, bats, etc.
[QUOTE=Resfan;36962231]Who the fuck robs someone with a knife or a sword? A compound bow would be much better to rob someone with than a knife. Umm, people go on killing spree's with a axes, chainsaws, knives, baseball bats, hammers, or just their hands. A tool, is a fucking TOOL. How you use said TOOL is up to you. FYI, if you can't get my implications, a firearm is a TOOL.[/QUOTE] Here's the thing though, a guns sole purpose is to destroy, like I pointed out in an earlier post. Seriously when gun control is mentioned do you people just slip into a state of mind founded entirely upon selective reading?
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962288]axes, chainsaws, knives, baseball bats, hammers, and hands have uses outside of maiming and killing people[/QUOTE] As do firearms. How many legal gun owners use their guns to hurt or kill others?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36962260]But every 'criminal gun' starts its life off inside of a legitimate civilian arms factory :downs:[/QUOTE] Not exactly. [URL="http://www.scribd.com/doc/3170766/expedient-homemade-firearms-9mm-submachinegun-complete-instructions"]9mm SMGs are pretty piss easy to produce/manufacture[/URL]. Not to mention firearm settlements in Pakistan and all that... Firearms are generally easy to make.
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962288]axes, chainsaws, knives, baseball bats, hammers, and hands have uses outside of maiming and killing people[/QUOTE] And so do firearms. [QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36962304]Here's the thing though, a guns sole purpose is to destroy, like I pointed out in an earlier post. Seriously when gun control is mentioned do you people just slip into a state of mind founded entirely upon selective reading?[/QUOTE] I've used my maverick in home defense, I didn't destroy anything. All I had to do was aim it at the person and he ran off. So I would beg to differ on a firearms sole purpose being to destroy.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962305]As do firearms. How many legal gun owners use their guns to hurt or kill others?[/QUOTE] I think this saying says it best, "Yesterday, 89,999,954 gun owners hurt no one."
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962292]The UK bans guns, what do people use to commit crimes? Knives, bats, etc.[/QUOTE] Guns make it a lot easier Stabbing someone is a lot harder physically and mentally
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36962175]Why does anyone in America need a gun? [/QUOTE] People who need to protect themselves from wild animals, among others. [quote]it's a fucking tool used to maul and murder, nothing else,[/quote] None of my guns have mauled or murdered anything other than paper and clay targets. And a few game birds here and there
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36962304]Here's the thing though, a guns sole purpose is to destroy, like I pointed out in an earlier post. Seriously when gun control is mentioned do you people just slip into a state of mind founded entirely upon selective reading?[/QUOTE] A chainsaw's sole purpose is to destroy. There are people that collect guns and never even fire them. No sane person wants to use a firearm to kill another. A police forces role to arrest and sometimes kill criminals in need be, but that hardly ever happens. I guess we should abolish police forces as well.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962305]As do firearms. How many legal gun owners use their guns to hurt or kill others?[/QUOTE] i don't have a statistic but I would wager most. and of the three reasons you gave defending it, two involved hurting/killing and the 3rd was a law
[QUOTE=James*;36962328]Guns make it a lot easier Stabbing someone is a lot harder physically and mentally[/QUOTE] Yet it happens. What was stopping Holmes from dousing parts of the theater in Gasoline and burning the people to death? He obviously had the access to the building if he got in with so many guns.
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962368]i don't have a statistic but I would wager most. and of the three reasons you gave defending it, two involved hurting/killing and the 3rd was a law[/QUOTE] 1/3rd of Americans own a firearm. Your telling me that 1/3rd of Americans go around shooting each other. Drop your anti-gun shit.
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962368]i don't have a statistic but I would wager most. and of the three reasons you gave defending it, two involved hurting/killing and the 3rd was a law[/QUOTE] You're thicker than a brick if you think most legitimate gun owners use their firearms to hurt or kill others.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962369]Yet it happens. What was stopping Holmes from dousing parts of the theater in Gasoline and burning the people to death? He obviously had the access to the building if he got in with so many guns.[/QUOTE] You tell me, why did he go for guns instead?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36962392]1/3rd of Americans own a firearm. Your telling me that 1/3rd of Americans go around shooting each other. Drop your anti-gun shit.[/QUOTE] I'm saying 1/3 of Americans use their guns for hunting and self-defense
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962368]i don't have a statistic but I would wager most. and of the three reasons you gave defending it, two involved hurting/killing and the 3rd was a law[/QUOTE] You're fucking kidding me. Never in my whole life has any of the gun owners I know used a firearm against another human being. A large majority of people in MN have guns as well. The only gun crimes have been committed by criminals.
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962403]I'm saying 1/3 of Americans use their guns for hunting and self-defense[/QUOTE] You only need a gun for self-defense as everyone else has a gun
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962403]I'm saying 1/3 of Americans use their guns for hunting and self-defense[/QUOTE] It sounded like you were stating gun owners were going around shooting each other, I apologize.
[QUOTE=James*;36962401]You tell me, why did he go for guns instead?[/QUOTE] Well, if you thought you were the Joker going to shoot up a theater what would you use? The issue with Holmes is how someone so unstable was able to acquire the guns and how he got into the theater. The absolute majority of gun owners would never have a problem owning the same firearms he did and never using them against a human or in a crime.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962422]You're fucking kidding me. Never in my whole life has any of the gun owners I know used a firearm against another human being. A large majority of people in MN have guns as well. The only gun crimes have been committed by criminals.[/QUOTE] my wording was bad, I'm not saying 1/3 of Americans go around killing each other but I would say guns are bought with the intent of harming others via hunting and self-defense. there are few uses for firearms outside of that except for things like skeet shooting
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962443]Well, if you thought you were the Joker going to shoot up a theater what would you use? The issue with Holmes is how someone so unstable was able to acquire the guns and how he got into the theater. The absolute majority of gun owners would never have a problem owning the same firearms he did and never using them against a human or in a crime.[/QUOTE] Guns are the easiest way to kill someone - it's what they are designed to do And it's not just a question of people being nutters or criminals, there's also the risk of people thinking they are doing the right thing and fucking up
[QUOTE=James*;36962429]You only need a gun for self-defense as everyone else has a gun[/QUOTE] No, you don't. Do you think in every mugging, burglary, and home invasion the criminal has a gun? The fact that a pedestrian or homeowner may be armed is itself a deterrent to people that probably only have knives or no weapons at all. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=James*;36962467]Guns are the easiest way to kill someone - it's what they are designed to do And it's not just a question of people being nutters or criminals, there's also the risk of people thinking they are doing the right thing and fucking up[/QUOTE] I suppose explosives are more precise and less dangerous then?
Typically aiming a firearm at a would be robber or mugger is enough to make them back off.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962470]No, you don't. Do you think in every mugging, burglary, and home invasion the criminal has a gun? The fact that a pedestrian or homeowner may be armed is itself a deterrent to people that probably only have knives or no weapons at all. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] I suppose explosives are more precise and less dangerous then?[/QUOTE] Well they obviously aren't working as a deterrent, why hasn't crime been eradicated in the US? Are explosives legal?
[QUOTE=elevator13;36962463]my wording was bad, I'm not saying 1/3 of Americans go around killing each other but I would say guns are bought with the intent of harming others via hunting and self-defense. there are few uses for firearms outside of that except for things like skeet shooting[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean things like sport shooting and collecting aren't a huge part of gun sales. There are gun owners I know that would never hunt, and probably wouldn't use a gun for self-defense either.
Does reenactment fall under collecting? Because I know quiet a few Civil War reenactors.
[QUOTE=James*;36962496]Well they obviously aren't working as a deterrent, why hasn't crime been eradicated in the US? Are explosives legal?[/QUOTE] Guns are not commonly owned in many high crime areas like Chicago and NYC. There are some binary explosives that are legal in the U.S., and legality isn't an issue when Holmes had them anway, and when firearms can be obtained illegally. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36962522]Does reenactment fall under collecting? Because I know quiet a few Civil War reenactors.[/QUOTE] Possibly, but I doubt they would use authentic civil war guns. Mostly reproductions I would think. Guess you could still call it collecting though.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962523]Guns are not commonly owned in many high crime areas like Chicago and NYC. There are some binary explosives that are legal in the U.S., and legality isn't an issue when Holmes had them anway, and when firearms can be obtained illegally.[/QUOTE] But crime is eradicated in high gun areas? And I'd say explosives are less dangerous as they involve premeditation, it's quite hard to kill someone with explosives accidentally or on impulse
The Homicide rate per person is something like 2x higher in the US than the UK (at some point it was 3x higher). Knives and Bats are much less destructive than Guns. You tell me one major killing spree which didn't involve guns. I can't remember a single one. Sure, you can stab someone with a knife, but if they have a knife you can run away, you can actually fight them at least a tiny bit without dying and so on. To all those saying that criminals don't obey laws, try acquiring a gun in London. There are so many bad examples of guns. LA riots killed so many more people than the London riots. Partly because they were bigger, but mostly because of the involvement of guns.
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