[QUOTE=elevator13;36962922]in terms of gun homicide rate, the US is 7x the amount of the next-worst developed country, Canada ([url]http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Homicides_by_firearms.xls[/url])[/QUOTE]
Murders by gun are a result of urban decay in the U.S., not guns laws. Switzerland, a smaller, less diverse country with a higher standard of living and has an extremely low crime rate compared to the U.S despite their high gun ownership.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36963060]As one man once said... Jack shit, captain.[/QUOTE]
Well then, this obviously isn't the debate center of facepunch, so why are we holding a debate?
I shall say this: go Maryland police.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963081]Maybe you should actually present a fucking argument rather than come into threads and give your "both sides of the argument are stupid i am smart" speech, and instead of rating dumb anyone who even slightly disagrees with you like a passive aggressive manchild how about presenting counterarguments and and actually try and defend your viewpoint like everyone else?[/QUOTE]
Fucking angry enough there guy? Chill the fuck out.
I gave my argument on the first page of this thread and have found it pointless to continue to beat a dead horse when you've ignored everything given to you.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36962953]Uh no. What the fuck kind of logic is that?
Give me a single use for guns other than to kill.
(hobbies do not count as a valid "use")[/QUOTE]
If you can discount the counter-argument without any good reason then you really have nothing to back your opinions up with.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36962953]
(hobbies do not count as a valid "use")[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck not? Theres slews of guns that were designed specifically with hobbies in mind. You mean to tell me that a skeet shotgun or the target rifles biathletes use were meant for murdering people?
Guns are completely fetishised in the US
Claims for anything else are just rationalisation
[QUOTE=James*;36963138]Guns are completely fetishised in the US
Claims for anything else are just rationalisation[/QUOTE]
Welp you certianly seem to have us all figured out, you should run for president or something.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36962801]By that argument sports car are only designed to be driven at their maximum speed.[/QUOTE]They are built to be able to achieve a higher maximum speed. Just like and AR-15 is design to be able to kill more stuff faster. I quote from the page-king article/tweet.
[quote]What purpose does an AR-15 serve to a sportsman that a more standard hunting rifle does not serve? Let's see - does it fire more rounds without reload? Yes. Does it fire farther and more accurately? Yes. Does it accommodate a more lethal payload? Yes. So basically, the purpose of an assault style weapon is to kill more stuff, more fully, faster and from further away. To achieve maximum lethality. Hardly the primary purpose of tomatoes and sports cars.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963169]I'm calm, just because someone uses a couple of swear words in his post doesn't mean his angry.
If you find it pointless to continue to post in this thread, how about you stop posting?[/QUOTE]
The only thing that makes it pointless to post in this thread is because of idiots like you. You blatantly ignore and disregard every argument thrown at you from the other side and brush it off as being invalid and that is holds no grounds of evidence or this or this or this.
Also, with all the insults you threw into that post, it's quite easy to gather that you were upset, don't even try to lie about that.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963214]
A gun is, again, only designed to kill.[/QUOTE]
That poor poor paper target, stop the mindless slaughter!
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;36963165]Welp you certianly seem to have us all figured out, you should run for president or something.[/QUOTE]
The other day on another forum, someone from the US was calling all Europeans (as Europe is just one homogeneous mass right) eunuchs because of the lack of guns, as if to say guns are integral to masculinity
Insecure or what
[QUOTE=Fisk;36963175]They are built to be able to achieve a higher maximum speed. Just like and AR-15 is design to be able to kill more stuff faster. I quote from the page-king article/tweet.[/QUOTE]
If you have the same rifle, one with a wooden stock, and one with a retractable folding stock, flash hider, pistol grip, synthetic handguard with rails, and a bayonet lug, they will both be equally dangerous when fired at another human being. AR-15's actually have use vs. deer rifles and shotguns for varmint hunting.
[QUOTE=James*;36963253]The other day on another forum, someone from the US was calling all Europeans (as Europe is just one homogenous mass right) eunuchs because of the lack of guns, as if to say guns are integral to masculinity
Insecure or what[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously judging an entire nation from the notion of one person?
[QUOTE=James*;36963253]The other day on another forum, someone from the US was calling all Europeans (as Europe is just one homogenous mass right) eunuchs because of the lack of guns, as if to say guns are integral to masculinity
Insecure or what[/QUOTE]
I don't believe that. I believe guns used for crime and dangerous and should be eliminated. I also believe however that in the U.S. people have the right to possess firearms as long as they own them legally and use them legally. If Europe is safe without gun ownership then more power to them, they obviously have their social issues in better order.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963214]
A gun is, again, only designed to kill.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.harrogateshooting.co.uk/images/rifles.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cdn.ammoland.com/files/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Blaser-F3-SuperTrap-Combo-Trap-Gun.jpg[/img]
Say again?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963250]Yes, I was inching on my seat and almost tearing up because some guy kept shitposting in a thread he sees no point in staying in.
You have me all figured out![/QUOTE]
You're a pompous asshole who only thinks HIS side of the argument is valid and right and disregards all arguments presented from the other side despite the level of thought and sense put into it.
Also, if anyone is shit posting, it's you.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;36963287][img]http://www.harrogateshooting.co.uk/images/rifles.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cdn.ammoland.com/files/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Blaser-F3-SuperTrap-Combo-Trap-Gun.jpg[/img]
Say again?[/QUOTE]
Guns are designed to be ugly, too
(kidding)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIGdY5pfCA[/media]
Come again?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;36963352][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIGdY5pfCA[/media]
Come again?[/QUOTE]
Point aside, that's one weird stance.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963340]There's a difference between guns for training and entertainment and actual military firearms, handguns, assault rifles, etc, which is what Im arguing against.[/QUOTE]
But military firearms are also used for entertainment by many people.
A similar gun to the one I posted on the previous page, designed for trap shooting.
[img]http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts/634684007337207511djuep2o3.jpg[/img]
And a soldier using one.
[img]http://www.militarypictures.info/d/966-3/Shotgun.jpg[/img]
Same gun.
This is a pretty scary looking gun based off big scary semi-auto shotgun, redesigned for sporting.
[img]http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Saiga12openclass2.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;36963430]
[img]http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Saiga12openclass2.jpg[/img]
This is a pretty scary looking gun based off big scary semi-auto shotgun, redesigned for sporting.[/QUOTE]
We should actually ban that one, it's fucking disgusting is what it is.
...What has he done to that poor gun? :suicide:
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963462]That still does not detract from my point.
I can use a corkscrew as a fork if I wanted to, that doesn't mean it wasn't [I]designed [/I]for drawing corks from wine bottles. In the same way guns can be used for a multitude of reasons, they are still mostly designed to kill, harm, incapacitate, etc.[/QUOTE]
Here you go again, still ignoring everyone's arguments against you because you think you're the only fucker on the planet Earth who is right.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963514]Sorry if I defend my viewpoint, what a pompous asshole I am for trying to defend my beliefs.
Give it a rest.[/QUOTE]
Guy, you're the one that needs to give it a rest, you're the one continuously ignoring everyone else's defense from the other side. Defending, and ignoring are two different things.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963462]In the same way guns can be used for a multitude of reasons, they are still mostly designed to kill, harm, incapacitate, etc.[/QUOTE]
So basically you're going back on your prior statements?
[quote]A gun is, again, only designed to kill.[/quote]
[quote](hobbies do not count as a valid "use")[/quote]
Out of interest would people here take this offer:
guns are banned for one year - if homicide rates fall significantly they remain banned, if not the ban is lifted
(lets say people have to hand over their guns and they are locked away securely somewhere)
You people should really read this: [URL]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht[/URL]
He's against the ownage of military assault rifles and he got good points
[quote]These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands. They should not be in the hands of private citizens to be used against police, neighborhood intruders or people who don't agree with you. These are the weapons that maniacs acquire to wreak murder and mayhem on innocents. They are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales. [/quote]
[quote]We will not prevent every tragedy. We cannot stop every maniac. But we certainly have done ourselves no good by allowing these particular weapons to be acquired freely by just about anyone. [/quote]
I mean really what reason is there to owning a fully automatic assault rifle? I'd much rather save lives, such as those in the Aurora shooting, then own one for personal enjoyment.
[QUOTE=Fisk;36963570]
I mean really what reason is there to owning a fully automatic assault rifle? I'd much rather save lives, such as those in the Aurora shooting, then own one for personal enjoyment.[/QUOTE]
But he didn't use a fully automatic firearm in the shooting.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36963561]But Ive addressed every argument thus far. Just because it's something you dont agree with doesn't mean it's not there.[/QUOTE]
You've not addressed every argument thus far, you've shoved it under the carpet and ignored it.
Unless you somehow count ignoring and pushing aside as addressing...
[QUOTE]I have enough dignity in me[/QUOTE]
I'm glad to hear you have any, from what I've gathered from all your posts is that you just think you're right 24/7 like it's your job.
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