Hearing Protection Act: A Bill to Remove Suppresors from the National Firearms Act of 1934 - Polidicks

Im for this, they are already legal, just behind a bunch of bullshit, and someone already explained why something like this being passed would do fuck all for criminals(they arent using the expensive guns that are fitted for silencers) and apparently making a silencer for your gun wouldnt be so out of reach that criminals couldnt already do it. Shits loud anyways. I dont think people really realize just how FUCKING loud guns are. I was so fucking naive until a few years ago when I finally shot my first gun. In person, when the sounds arent going through mics and shit like that, its SO fucking loud. Firing a simple ruger pistol indoors HURTS without ear protection, as in physically is painful, let alone any other gun on the planet. They also echo like fucking crazy, so a gunshot in a house during a home invasion would sound like a mini bomb too anyone outside. Suppressors dont even make them super quiet, just a bit to help with the innate reaction everyone has when firing a gun due to the sound. This is an actual suppressed quiet pistol. Compare this a gun with a suppressor on it. Realize that the only way to make an actual quiet gun is to design a gun that built specifically for that. Not because of a metal attachment. [video=youtube;9gkz5KtfR6c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gkz5KtfR6c[/video]

[QUOTE=Rainboo;48970819]I'll never really get the American obsession with firearms.[/QUOTE] They are fun. Most kids grow up playing army with fake guns, as adults we still play, just with real guns. They are tools for some, protection for others and range toys for most.

[QUOTE=Ajacks;48972165]They are fun. Most kids grow up playing army with fake guns, as adults we still play, just with real guns. They are tools for some, protection for others and range toys for most.[/QUOTE] Mhm. Going to the range with friends is a great pastime. It's fun and competitive.

[QUOTE=Kigen;48969199]Making suppressors easier to get (i.e., not paying for $200 tax stamp) isn't going to change any dynamics on crime. Suppressors are generally not integral, so they sit at the end of the barrel. And that creates added length to the gun that reduces its concealability. Gangsters and others like the concealability of weapons. So I seriously doubt gangbangers are really going to go after getting suppressors. And a suppressed weapon still is very recognizable when shot. Movies and video games make up a lot of fictitious crap about weapons. This law will help the legal, law-abiding, citizen not have to pay an extra $200 tax stamp to get a suppressor.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;7t_pcWPdSDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_pcWPdSDs[/video] you still have to pay the tax stamp on the adapter

[QUOTE=waylander;48973927][video=youtube;7t_pcWPdSDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_pcWPdSDs[/video] you still have to pay the tax stamp on the adapter[/QUOTE] Not really, a lot of gun shows I've been to. Have at least a couple people selling the oil filter adapters as "cleaning tools".

Does this change anything with them being illegal in California?

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;48968162]There's an association JUST for weapon suppressors? [editline]23rd October 2015[/editline] Is there an association for every kind of gun mod?[/QUOTE] The gun lobby pours billions into deregulating gun laws, so yes I think it should stay illegal. Though there's probably little concern for street criminals using supressors, there's no good reason for law abiding citizens to have them over, say, earplugs. If you shoot a gun, you should cover your ears. If someone else is around without ear protection, you probably should be shooting a gun

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48974824]The gun lobby pours billions into deregulating gun laws, so yes I think it should stay illegal. Though there's probably little concern for street criminals using supressors, there's no good reason for law abiding citizens to have them over, say, earplugs. If you shoot a gun, you should cover your ears. If someone else is around without ear protection, you probably should be shooting a gun[/QUOTE] Just because [I]you[/I] cannot think of a reason, does not mean no reason exists. Here's one: hunting. You have reason to shoot, and also reason to remove ear protection when not immediately shooting. You can have multiple hunting parties in the same area. If they used suppressors, they would be able to communicate even while ready to shoot, which I can only imagine would cut down even further on hunting accidents. Here's another one: there are a handful of guns loud enough that, even with protection, you risk hearing damage. This normally happens only with high-powered rifles (.50BMG or similar - yes, they're civilian-legal) fitted with muzzle brakes to reduce recoil. A suppressor on one of those isn't going to make it "quiet", it's going to make it "as loud as a normal unsuppressed gun".

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48974824]The gun lobby pours billions into deregulating gun laws, so yes I think it should stay illegal. Though there's probably little concern for street criminals using supressors, there's no good reason for law abiding citizens to have them over, say, earplugs. If you shoot a gun, you should cover your ears. If someone else is around without ear protection, you probably should be shooting a gun[/QUOTE] Noise pollution around ranges or private property?

I'd love to have a silencer if only for pest control. It'd make my job with cleaning out rabbits in very populated farmlands easy, and it'll allow me to not scare livestock.

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I don't need a suppressor when I'm at the range. My ears deal with loudness really well. Regardless it still isn't good for me. :v:

[QUOTE=redBadger;48975173]I don't need a suppressor when I'm at the range. My ears deal with loudness really well. Regardless it still isn't good for me. :v:[/QUOTE] You say that, but by the time you realize it you've lost hearing or suffer from tinnitus.

[QUOTE=waylander;48973927][video=youtube;7t_pcWPdSDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_pcWPdSDs[/video] you still have to pay the tax stamp on the adapter[/QUOTE] ya but the point is its basically a piece of plumbing you could pretty much make at home [editline]24th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=download;48970625]It's not hard to handle toluene and nitric acid safely.[/QUOTE] good luck handling fuming nitric acid, i'll be standing far away...with a gas mask

[QUOTE=redBadger;48975173]I don't need a suppressor when I'm at the range. My ears deal with loudness really well. Regardless it still isn't good for me. :v:[/QUOTE] Tinnitus isn't fun fyi

suppressors were outlawed mostly due to poaching which simply isn't an issue in the US anymore. many european countries have absolutely zero regulations against suppressors and shooting without a suppressor is considered kind of a dick thing to do in those countries. [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;48975503]ya but the point is its basically a piece of plumbing you could pretty much make at home[/QUOTE] I made an airgun suppressor (no way to attach to a firearm, atf pls go) out of a d cell maglite and some freeze plugs off a volkswagen. a 2 liter bottle full of steel wool makes an effective suppressor. the adapter isn't harder to make than just making a suppressor.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48975503] good luck handling fuming nitric acid, i'll be standing far away...with a gas mask[/QUOTE] It's called a fume hood. You know, that thing that's a staple of most labs?

[QUOTE=Sableye;48970563]TNT is easy to make on paper, just hammer 3 nitro groups onto a toluene, but in practice the solvents you need are going to melt you if they don't blow up as for silencers though, there are already attachments that use oil filters with a hole cut out, they're regulated as silencers, but they're essentially just a pair of threadings, you don't even really need a lathe[/QUOTE] high quality explosives in general are easy to make. C-4 is Esbit tablets and peroxide mixed to make RDX, add a plasticizer, a binder (usually butyl rubber), and a touch of motor oil and you're done

[QUOTE=redBadger;48975173]I don't need a suppressor when I'm at the range. My ears deal with loudness really well. Regardless it still isn't good for me. :v:[/QUOTE] Sorry but this pissed me off so fuck it rant inbound. I fucked up once with a millisecond of sound over 85db, just ONCE and it gave me Tinnitus. I hear perfectly fine except for a constant whistle in my ears every moment of my life from the moment i wake up in the morning till the moment i TRY to sleep, it's ALWAYS there. You do not want it, it ruins your fucking life your family and partner. Takes away years of your life while you try 'learning' to deal with it, (that is of course if you don't just fucking off yourself after a few months), you then have a never ending paranoia of sound and noise because you can easily make it worse, permanently so you end up shutting away parts of your lifestyle to try and save whats left of your ears. And it's not really a recognized medical condition so good luck with explaining it to ignorant as fuck bosses at work when you turn up late and tired through lack of sleep which is out of your control. It's not funny, not cool, good to have and learn from. It's a cunt and I would gladly give my right bollock away if it meant i could hear silence again. Heed my advice to you while you have a chance. You don't want to be in this lottery, Protect your fucking ears with everything you can in every aspect of your life or you're joining the club.

[QUOTE=download;48975685]It's called a fume hood. You know, that thing that's a staple of most labs?[/QUOTE] My original post was about at home cooking though

I have always had tinnitus for as long as I could remember. It's never bothered me a bit. I only ever can notice it when I'm going to sleep, but rarely do.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48976073]My original post was about at home cooking though[/QUOTE] It's not a difficult device to construct.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48974824]The gun lobby pours billions into deregulating gun laws, so yes I think it should stay illegal. Though there's probably little concern for street criminals using supressors, there's no good reason for law abiding citizens to have them over, say, earplugs. If you shoot a gun, you should cover your ears. If someone else is around without ear protection, you probably should be shooting a gun[/QUOTE] Nice Reading x1 Still not illegal. Mentioned at least a thousand god damn times. Suppressors. Are. Not. Illegal. Maybe actually read the god damn thread before commenting on something from page 1.

[QUOTE=redBadger;48975173]I don't need a suppressor when I'm at the range. My ears deal with loudness really well. Regardless it still isn't good for me. :v:[/QUOTE] You're a jackass. You aren't going to notice your hearing shitting out, it happens gradually. Spend 16 dollars and get some plugs or muffs. Hearing is worth far more than a few dollars and a trip to the store.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48968095]not only that, it can tighten the spread of a weapon, and is more accurate on short-barreled guns.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. There is no 'barrel' or rifling in a suppressor. It's a hole slightly larger than the bullet going through multiple layers of angled metal plates (called baffles) inside a tube designed to redirect and dissipate expanding gas from firing the weapon. For a suppressor to improve accuracy of a firearm it would need to have a barrel with rifling inside the device, which wouldn't allow gas to expand inside the baffles, which would render the device useless. [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman;48968107]No...silencers are unrifled nor do they act as a choke. Also if someone wants to make a silencer they are actually quite simple and easy to build yourself. Any would be criminal if you are really dedicated to that path would and should make one, it's a no brainer. Buying them legally is just for regular law abiding people.[/QUOTE] Also this. I know it's a late reply but w/e. Literally takes like 5 minutes and $10 in supplies from a grocery store to make a ghetto suppressor that'll work at least once.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;48977677]No, it doesn't. There is no 'barrel' or rifling in a suppressor. It's a hole slightly larger than the bullet going through multiple layers of angled metal plates (called baffles) inside a tube designed to redirect and dissipate expanding gas from firing the weapon. For a suppressor to improve accuracy of a firearm it would need to have a barrel with rifling inside the device, which wouldn't allow gas to expand inside the baffles, which would render the device useless. [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] Also this. I know it's a late reply but w/e. Literally takes like 5 minutes and $10 in supplies from a grocery store to make a ghetto suppressor that'll work at least once.[/QUOTE] There's a fine line between a high quality suppressor that can be used for entire magazines, reducing sound by a third, and some ghetto suppressor that can only be used once, and explodes afterwards. I'll admit I was thinking of something entirely different when I said it tightens the shot pattern and increases accuracy. Besides this, the paperwork itself prevents criminals from buying them currently.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977698]There's a fine line between a high quality suppressor that can be used for entire magazines, reducing sound by a third, and some ghetto suppressor that can only be used once, and explodes afterwards. I'll admit I was thinking of something entirely different when I said it tightens the shot pattern and increases accuracy.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. If criminals want suppressors they are [i]stupidly easy[/i] to make at home. Off the top of my head I know 5 different ways to make WORKING suppressors out of household items. I'm not going to say any of them here because I don't want to get in trouble but you could find out yourself just how easy it is with a google search. If you saw the post a couple of pages back you saw what the inside of a suppressor looks like. It's literally a metal tube with metal bands inside. It works by creating closed pockets for gas to expand into and dissipate in without leaving the barrel of the gun. This can easily be recreated. Suppressors are only expensive because they're such a pain in the ass to sell. It probably costs the manufacturer $30 to make a $1000 suppressor, including the cost to pay their employees.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;48977710]You're missing the point. If criminals want suppressors they are [i]stupidly easy[/i] to make at home. Off the top of my head I know 5 different ways to make WORKING suppressors out of household items. I'm not going to say any of them here because I don't want to get in trouble but you could find out yourself just how easy it is with a google search. If you saw the post a couple of pages back you saw what the inside of a suppressor looks like. It's literally a metal tube with metal bands inside. It works by creating closed pockets for gas to expand into and dissipate in without leaving the barrel of the gun. This can easily be recreated. Suppressors are only expensive because they're such a pain in the ass to sell. It probably costs the manufacturer $30 to make a $1000 suppressor, including the cost to pay their employees.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure I get the point. Same point with people and zipguns or 3d printed receivers. It's still the same argument "it takes these items out of the hands of legal users!" Well the issue isn't that it takes out the items from legal owners, it's the fact that, as of now it's a lot harder to get a cheap suppressor that is corporate made. If these things are made to not have paperwork, it creates a used market for the items, which would find their ways into the hands of criminal elements

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977719]I'm pretty sure I get the point. Same point with people and zipguns or 3d printed receivers. It's still the same argument "it takes these items out of the hands of legal users!" Well the issue isn't that it takes out the items from legal owners, it's the fact that, as of now it's a lot harder to get a cheap suppressor that is corporate made. If these things are made to not have paperwork, it creates a used market for the items, which would find their ways into the hands of criminal elements[/QUOTE] Which is a huge problem why exactly? It's not like they're 1) sporting guns that take suppressors and 2) they're not overly concerned with making a lot of noise and 3) suppressors still make a lot of noise. Suppressors would likely have no discernible effect on crime

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977719]I'm pretty sure I get the point. Same point with people and zipguns or 3d printed receivers. It's still the same argument "it takes these items out of the hands of legal users!" Well the issue isn't that it takes out the items from legal owners, it's the fact that, as of now it's a lot harder to get a cheap suppressor that is corporate made. If these things are made to not have paperwork, it creates a used market for the items, which would find their ways into the hands of criminal elements[/QUOTE] You're being pedantic. Feels like on purpose, too. There's a used market for AR-15 rifles, too. But you barely see those used in crimes. Less than 500 people were killed in 2014 with AR-15 style rifles, yet they have 'all the right features' of a mass murder device, right? Isn't that what the anti-gun crowd says? Common availability != Common usage Suppressors are large, heavy, and unwieldy. They don't change the volume of firearms much at all, and gunshots would still very much sound like gunshots. This is not something a criminal would deem "worth" having considering it literally doubles the size of a pistol. It's easy to conceal and use a pistol in close quarters (such as a home invasion). It's NOT easy to conceal and use a pistol in the same scenario with a suppressor. It's not useful for the demographic you're worried about. They're useful for sporting enthusiasts and hunters.