Hearing Protection Act: A Bill to Remove Suppresors from the National Firearms Act of 1934 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48977724]Which is a huge problem why exactly? It's not like they're 1) sporting guns that take suppressors and 2) they're not overly concerned with making a lot of noise and 3) suppressors still make a lot of noise. Suppressors would likely have no discernible effect on crime[/QUOTE] If you make gunshots sound closer to fireworks, you'll have gun crime be more clandestine. In my city, for instance, there are often shootings on west side that police won't be called for because people already assume they're just fireworks. It will make it harder for the police to actually be called to a crime scene. Just last month, for instance, a man was shot at 3am in my town, the police weren't called until 6-7am because the people who heard the gunshots thought it was a car backfiring. When you make it harder for people to tell gunshots apart from other noises, it makes police's jobs harder, especially in a place like south central, where most people know what gunshots actually sound like.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977749]If you make gunshots sound closer to fireworks, you'll have gun crime be more clandestine. In my city, for instance, there are often shootings on west side that police won't be called for because people already assume they're just fireworks. It will make it harder for the police to actually be called to a crime scene. Just last month, for instance, a man was shot at 3am in my town, the police weren't called until 6-7am because the people who heard the gunshots thought it was a car backfiring. When you make it harder for people to tell gunshots apart from other noises, it makes police's jobs harder, especially in a place like south central, where most people know what gunshots actually sound like.[/QUOTE] Stupid people are going to misidentify sounds no matter what. Suppressed gunshots STILL sound like gunshots. Just not as loud. In fact, as another poster pointed out earlier in the thread, suppressing the sound would improve clarity because it wouldn't 'echo' as much and would make it more easily pinpointable. (Pulling the reverb/echo out of the gunshot would make it crisper and make it sound MORE like a gunshot) You're grasping at straws just because you don't like the idea of something. You need to stop.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;48977747]You're being pedantic. Feels like on purpose, too. There's a used market for AR-15 rifles, too. But you barely see those used in crimes. Less than 500 people were killed in 2014 with AR-15 style rifles, yet they have 'all the right features' of a mass murder device, right? Isn't that what the anti-gun crowd says? Common availability != Common usage Suppressors are large, heavy, and unwieldy. They don't change the volume of firearms much at all, and gunshots would still very much sound like gunshots. This is not something a criminal would deem "worth" having considering it literally doubles the size of a pistol. It's easy to conceal and use a pistol in close quarters (such as a home invasion). It's NOT easy to conceal and use a pistol in the same scenario with a suppressor. It's not useful for the demographic you're worried about. They're useful for sporting enthusiasts and hunters.[/QUOTE] Yeah except some of my gangster friends have ar-15s already, no serial. The problem with your solution is there's no registry fit for suppressors, and the fact that if something becomes more widespread, that same object will see more use over time, residually at first, but later because there's ways to get them without paperwork. Just look at glocks, once they became standard issue for police, more people got ahold of them illegally. [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;48977763]Stupid people are going to misidentify sounds no matter what. Suppressed gunshots STILL sound like gunshots. Just not as loud. In fact, as another poster pointed out earlier in the thread, suppressing the sound would improve clarity because it wouldn't 'echo' as much and would make it more easily pinpointable. (Pulling the reverb/echo out of the gunshot would make it crisper and make it sound MORE like a gunshot) You're grasping at straws just because you don't like the idea of something. You need to stop.[/QUOTE] Except I can almost be certain you haven't spent any time in the inner city, "it makes it pinpointable" isn't a valid argument when people are less aware of the gunshot in general.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977764][highlight]Yeah except some of my gangster friends have ar-15s already, no serial.[/highlight] The problem with your solution is there's no registry fit for suppressors, and the fact that if something becomes more widespread, that same object will see more use over time, residually at first, but later because there's ways to get them without paperwork. Just look at glocks, once they became standard issue for police, more people got ahold of them illegally.[/QUOTE] Stop. Just stop.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;48977784]Stop. Just stop.[/QUOTE] Sorry it doesn't fit into your world view where criminals don't have guns they shouldn't have. It's what happens when weapons are so widespread.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977818]Sorry it doesn't fit into your world view where criminals don't have guns they shouldn't have. It's what happens when weapons are so widespread.[/QUOTE] You don't know any criminals. Your friends with AR-15's, if they're real, do not have their serial numbers removed. Your perception of 0.0000003% of the population of this country based on your "gangster friends" does not make an accurate argument, and neither does your 'experience' with at most 0.006% of the country's population. You're being purposefully pedantic in an attempt to cause argument over something that has no reason to be argued. Suppressors are far less regulated in other countries with lower crime rates than ours, there's no reason they should be so regulated here.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977749]If you make gunshots sound closer to fireworks, you'll have gun crime be more clandestine. In my city, for instance, there are often shootings on west side that police won't be called for because people already assume they're just fireworks. It will make it harder for the police to actually be called to a crime scene. Just last month, for instance, a man was shot at 3am in my town, the police weren't called until 6-7am because the people who heard the gunshots thought it was a car backfiring. When you make it harder for people to tell gunshots apart from other noises, it makes police's jobs harder, especially in a place like south central, where most people know what gunshots actually sound like.[/QUOTE] How are you seriously using an example of un suppressed gun shots being too quiet for suppressors to be legal for people to own, which they largely already are.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;48977859]You don't know any criminals. Your friends with AR-15's, if they're real, do not have their serial numbers removed. Your perception of 0.0000003% of the population of this country based on your "gangster friends" does not make an accurate argument, and neither does your 'experience' with at most 0.006% of the country's population. You're being purposefully pedantic in an attempt to cause argument over something that has no reason to be argued. Suppressors are far less regulated in other countries with lower crime rates than ours, there's no reason they should be so regulated here.[/QUOTE] They do. I've even seen someone fit an ak-47 into their pants. If you're so blind to something out of your world view, then by all means make suppressors not have any paperwork behind them, and see what happens. The key word is "Lower crime rates than ours" that's a main reason why they are less regulated. I'll remove myself from your collective circle-jerk, because it's obvious you're too entranced by your own world views to see what it's actually like in some parts of the country. [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48977861]How are you seriously using an example of un suppressed gun shots being too quiet for suppressors to be legal for people to own, which they largely already are.[/QUOTE] Not the fact they're "illegal" but the fact that if someone wants one they have to go through to get the stamp, far too much work for your average gangster. Without that paperwork you'll see a lot more gun violence happen with suppressors.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977876]They do. I've even seen someone fit an ak-47 into their pants. If you're so blind to something out of your world view, then by all means make suppressors not have any paperwork behind them, and see what happens. The key word is "Lower crime rates than ours" that's a main reason why they are less regulated. I'll remove myself from your collective circle-jerk, because it's obvious you're too entranced by your own world views to see what it's actually like in some parts of the country.[/QUOTE] You realise no-one is buying your bullshit here, right?

[QUOTE=Ajacks;48976087]I have always had tinnitus for as long as I could remember. It's never bothered me a bit. I only ever can notice it when I'm going to sleep, but rarely do.[/QUOTE] There are varying degrees of it. Pretty sure most people experience what you have. However it is possible to have a never ending ringing.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977876]They do. I've even seen someone fit an ak-47 into their pants. If you're so blind to something out of your world view, then by all means make suppressors not have any paperwork behind them, and see what happens. The key word is "Lower crime rates than ours" that's a main reason why they are less regulated. I'll remove myself from your collective circle-jerk, because it's obvious you're too entranced by your own world views to see what it's actually like in some parts of the country.[/QUOTE] Posting weird stories about your friends that are not verifiable nor really the trend that statistics show occurring by and large aren't really indicative of what you might claim they are. Like okay, your friends who are presumably quite young are carrying ak47s in their pants, something literally any officer worth their badge would spot from a mile away because that's a pretty fucking obvious thing is a fairly ridiculous use of anecdotal evidence to push an argument. [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977876] Not the fact they're "illegal" but the fact that if someone wants one they have to go through to get the stamp, far too much work for your average gangster. Without that paperwork you'll see a lot more gun violence happen with suppressors.[/QUOTE] oh yeah cause gun store owners are just going to sell suppressors to every tom dick and jane that walks in without any thought process.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977749]If you make gunshots sound closer to fireworks, you'll have gun crime be more clandestine. In my city, for instance, there are often shootings on west side that police won't be called for because people already assume they're just fireworks. It will make it harder for the police to actually be called to a crime scene. Just last month, for instance, a man was shot at 3am in my town, the police weren't called until 6-7am because the people who heard the gunshots thought it was a car backfiring. When you make it harder for people to tell gunshots apart from other noises, it makes police's jobs harder, especially in a place like south central, where most people know what gunshots actually sound like.[/QUOTE] The fuck dude firecrackers sound just like gunshots And if they're setting off firecrackers and it's not the 4th of July then the police should be called anyways because that's fucking illegal [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977876]They do. I've even seen someone fit an ak-47 into their pants. [/QUOTE] Mr. Credibility has left the building

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48968466]That really doesn't make that much sense. Most of the reason for why handguns push up is because of the sliding action, as well as amount of gas exerted through the barrel. [/QUOTE] Recoil of the gun is a force impulse applied to it as reaction to the bullet and left over gasses leaving the barrel at high velocity. Acceleration of an object is directly proportional to force exerted on it and inversely proportional to the object's mass. A heavier object will accelerate less than a lighter object when they both receive the same force impulse. Even though the force you will have to compensate will be in the end the same, you will operate against a heavier, lower velocity object, which means the maximal force your muscle has to exert to keep the weapon from travelling beyond certain point (in your face) will be lower, even though you will have to apply that force for longer time to give it the same impulse. A gun with a suppressor on the barrel will have the same recoil in the sense of total energy at play, but it will operate with lower maximal forces you have to exert on it. Another thing that influences the effect is that the suppressor shifts the centre of mass to the front and significantly stretches the inertial characteristics of the weapon, which will further make it "climb" less and "push" more. Of course, you could achieve exact same result by glueing a cinderblock to your gun. But it does work, it's rather basic dynamics. [editline]25th October 2015[/editline] Think about it in context of other weapons. .22 LR handgun still has a noticeable kick, a long rifle of the same calibre will feel easy enough for a kid to use, even though the initial "true" recoil is the same. It's just the mass of the weapon "easing" it, by reducing the maximal force the shooter will have to endure at any moment. Similarly, a sawn off shotguns are notorious for ludicrous recoil. Making a particular gun heavier will always "soften" the recoil and vice versa.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977876] I'll remove myself from your collective circle-jerk, because it's obvious you're too entranced by your own world views to see what it's actually like in some parts of the country.[/QUOTE] In other words you're withdrawing from the debate because your arguments have been invalidated, so you attempt to demean your opponents' argument while doing so to appear more mature. A++ debating there buddy. And guess what? The lack of a suppressor isn't going to stop someone who wants to use a gun to kill somebody from using a gun to kill somebody. Same can be said for any firearm accessory. A suppressor isn't going to change how many people a psychopath can kill in theatre or university, it isn't going to change the fact that witnesses to such a situation would recognise the fact that there's somebody shooting the place up and it's not going to stop the police from catching them. Your average criminal isn't going to go to the lengths of illegally acquiring a firearm that can accept a suppressor, then the suppressor its self for such little gain.

No, guys seriously I too have gangster friends with RPG-7s (with their serial numbers filed off of course) concealed up their anuses supressors are dangerous and should be banned from sale

[QUOTE=Apache249;48978861]No, guys seriously I too have gangster friends with RPG-7s (with their serial numbers filed off of course) concealed up their anuses supressors are dangerous and should be banned from sale[/QUOTE] Yeah man suppressed RPGs are fucking deadly I got to see one in action and I didn't even hear the damn thing go off until I was within a mile of the demonstrator!

[img]http://i.imgur.com/vbIbVnz.png[/img] I don't know but fitting an AK into someones pants only reminds me of this. :v:

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977764]Yeah except some of my gangster friends have ar-15s already, no serial.[/QUOTE] And my dick can sing the German anthem.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;48980522]And my dick can sing the German anthem.[/QUOTE] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/8k90.png[/img]

I don't think it's that unbelievable that someone could get an AK into their pants, you just need some bigger pants, I think the unbelievable part is that it could actually be effectively concealed and carried by doing so

Reading that guys post made me laugh. Ak47 hidden in pants, such a silly idea. Like how can you even think that story is believable?

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977876]They do. I've even seen someone fit an ak-47 into their pants. [/QUOTE] Me too, but the immobile knee and significantly thicker leg profile kind of gave it away. (Aka no you fucking didn't, it's a rifle practically as long as your leg, and only a certain portion of that is the barrel... which is not easily sawed off like a shotgun.)

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977764]Except I can almost be certain you haven't spent any time in the inner city, "it makes it pinpointable" isn't a valid argument when people are less aware of the gunshot in general.[/QUOTE] People don't know what a gunshot sounds like, and you want suppressors to stay heavily regulated because people don't know what a gunshot sounds like? I don't get it.

[QUOTE=MR-X;48981849]Reading that guys post made me laugh. Ak47 hidden in pants, such a silly idea. Like how can you even think that story is believable?[/QUOTE] But...but...but... [video]https://youtu.be/AudGd7-QkN8[/video] For the safety of you and those around you, martial law will now be imposed for all dress code infractions. #banpants2015

[QUOTE=Revenge282;48982691]But...but...but... -video- For the safety of you and those around you, martial law will now be imposed for all dress code infractions. #banpants2015[/QUOTE] Problem with that video is they never show the dude walking around with all that crap. It'd be incredibly obvious he is concealing crap. That shotgun alone would make it look very awkward since he couldn't bend his knee.

[QUOTE=Cold;48970686]Thats all very impressive for when you're going on a well planned suicide rampage, but with 15k homocides a year, most of them not being premeditated (let alone very well planned), it doesn't really statistically matter what you can cook up in your garage.[/QUOTE]So what exactly is the problem with legalizing suppressors, exactly? They're already piss easy and dirt cheap to make [I]right now[/I] and would still be that way even if suppressors were entirely legal. Most criminals are lazy, they're inherently lazy individuals who prefer the easier quick returns of criminal activity rather than holding down a stable job. Yeah once you're "in the system" your chances of getting a [I]good[/I] stable job plummets but even aside from that people who deal drugs, steal, rob, and otherwise commit simple crimes don't put a lot of effort into their lives. So what's the big deal? They're not going to even wrap half a roll of duct tape around a can full of wet socks stuffed over their weapon of choice, so why are you assuming they're going to go through [I]more[/I] effort to purchase a purpose-built suppressor? You said it yourself, escalation and sudden, poor decisions are the cause of most deaths so [I]what[/I] is the issue exactly? Acquiring one requires premeditation and effort, even a minimal amount, and that clearly is too much for the vast majority of criminal elements and the ones who do put in the effort are going to be unaffected either way.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;48982691]But...but...but... [video]https://youtu.be/AudGd7-QkN8[/video] For the safety of you and those around you, martial law will now be imposed for all dress code infractions. #banpants2015[/QUOTE] i'd genuinly like to know how nobody would notice how his pants are clanging incessantly every time he takes a step, also why he appears to have a stick up his ass. also who besides john wilks booth is going to use a deringer for anything nefarious, you''d be better off chucking it at someone

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977764]Yeah except some of my gangster friends have ar-15s already, no serial. [/QUOTE] In his defense, this is totally possible, but implausible seeing as he describes them as "gangsters" and it's only gun enthusiasts and hobbyists who build their own unregistered Armalites I'm trying to imagine a gangster spending hours grinding out the parts for an AR-15 at a Haas CNC and I just can't do it

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48977876]They do. I've even seen someone fit an ak-47 into their pants. [/QUOTE] Is this 'someone' wearing MC Hammer pants? [t]https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/BKPcSuBTTWaJ9bhHb5Ul_Mc_Hammer_pants.jpg[/t]

I apologize for bumping this, but if anyone would be interested in helping this out, please [url=http://americansuppressorassociation.com/hearing-protection-act/]use this in order to contact your state representatives and senators.[/url] [editline]10th November 2015[/editline] And just to addon to what is already going on... On November 4th, a bill was introduced to the Senate Committee and the current bill at the House is on an ongoing review process. Everyone is quiet hopeful and optimistic.