Denver police officer seen tripping pregnant woman, repeatedly punching suspect’s face - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Axsisel;46585347]I always though that police are another street gang, it's just that they are a legal one. I know some policemen who are really nice people but there are others who believe that the uniform and being with more of their own group gives them power to do as they please. Typical gang attitude.[/QUOTE] I remember when I thought "The Police are just their own gang *Scoff* facist pigs, stick it to the man, dude." Then I graduated middle school Probably one of the most laughable things you can actually say

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46585439]Communities don't trust the police because the media keeps on putting a heavy accent on how shitty some cops are at doing their jobs. If there was one article for each cop doing their job and being decent human beings, not only would the newspapers be exclusively filled with them but they'd outnumber the crazy cops by a pretty wide amount. Basically this is just the media cashing in on Ferguson by scrutinizing any possible occasion of police brutality to make people even more scared than they already are.[/QUOTE] You are right, but I still can't shake of the notion that almost 90% of police brutality videos I've seen are from the US. But then again I suppose that news stations thrive of stories like this, and anytime similar news pop up the media goes wild.

[QUOTE=booster;46587406]You are right, but I still can't shake of the notion that almost 90% of police brutality videos I've seen are from the US. But then again I suppose that news stations thrive of stories like this, and anytime similar news pop up the media goes wild.[/QUOTE] I mean it's an obvious problem that needs to be addressed but when you consider that the US has probably the largest police force in the western world as well as being more or less THE mass-media capital, it's not a huge surprise that when something pops up (much of which is usually later dismissed as exaggerated claims/one-sided stories that went without conviction) it's not altogether that surprising that it catches so much attention here and seems to happen all the time.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46585128]and police wonder why communities dont trust them[/QUOTE] To be fair, I don't trust my community half as much as I trust my police force. A necessary lesser of two evils, if you will. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=joe588;46587239]lmao what you'd let some cop beat the shit out of your parter without saying anything?[/QUOTE] Yeah, because a lawsuit would fuck the cop harder than a right hook ever would. Stupid busted edits.

[QUOTE=joe588;46587239]lmao what you'd let some cop beat the shit out of your parter without saying anything?[/QUOTE] What exactly did she think she was going to do vs. the police? Also, there's a difference between saying something and going right up to them yelling. More to the point, you don't win against the police on the streets; you win in the courtroom. Attempting to win in the streets only makes it harder to win in the courtroom.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;46585430]They can plead the 5th also.[/QUOTE] I wish people would stop saying this. The 5th amendment only applies to judicial proceedings, not private conversations or media inquiries. The point is because you are not technically allowed to lie in court, so instead of incriminating yourself, it's important that you have the right to not answer the question. You can lie in private conversations and it doesn't matter. You're not bound by law to be truthful (some cases notwithstanding of course, like slander). You can say anything or nothing.

"He could've been choking on drugs! It's OK to repeatedly smash his head into the pavement, trip a pregnant women, and illegally seize and destroy any evidence! It's for the safety of the suspect and officers!" Disgusting.

[QUOTE=kidwithsword;46587029]I don't know the context that led to that guy being on the ground. The punching very well could have been justified, I just don't know what factors led to that situation. As for the pregnant woman, it's her own damn fault. If you are pregnant, it's your responsibility to keep yourself and your baby out of harm's way. Making yourself directly involved in an active scuffle between police and a suspect is a criminal offense. If I were an officer trying to apprehend a suspect and some random person was trying to keep me from doing my job, I'd put their ass on the ground too.[/QUOTE] I sort of see what you mean, but if you saw an officer bashing your friends head in, would you not try to yell or take action to stop him? That's exactly what she did. Instead of having two officers on the guy, why not two officers on the person and two officers to prevent people from causing a distraction? Even if there were no other officers near by, either way, both actions were unlawful and I don't see why people are even defending such brute actions. It was his wife pleading to let the man go and stop, she wasn't going to stab the officers or kick him. Even if the woman did decide to kick the officer, do you really think the officer wouldn't take action after that? The woman was screaming because her boyfriend was getting his head smashed, literally. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=soccerskyman;46587764]"He could've been choking on drugs! It's OK to repeatedly smash his head into the pavement, trip a pregnant women, and illegally seize and destroy any evidence! It's for the safety of the suspect and officers!" Disgusting.[/QUOTE] Don't forget to threaten citizens that were recording to give them the footage or they'll beat the shit out of you and proceed to arrest you.

[QUOTE=SirDavid255;46586805]you forgot the part that they tried to save him [I]after[/I] forcing him against the ground then tazing him while he had the bag in his mouth, then again if only we had audio of the footage. The punching and the tripping of the woman was uncalled for and could have been done in a more proper fashion.[/QUOTE] No I didn't. It's all right there in the video. They thought Grande was trying to resist them, so they tried to subdue him. Immediately after they realized that he wasn't and that he was actually choking to death, and was trying to get their attention to the fact he was choking to death, they did everything they could to try and save his life and get the bag out from blocking his airway. Nothing wrong happened in that incident, just as nothing wrong happened here. Some dumbass tries to shove a sockful of drugs down his throat, cops try to keep said dumbass from doing so and killing himself in the process, dumbass' girl runs at them when they're trying to deal with him and they wrangle her down too to keep her from doing anything stupid. You and lots of other people are just upset because this is violent, violence makes you uncomfortable, and you're compelled to oppose it (even when it's necessary or at the very least understandable) because it makes you feel uncomfortable. It's easy to be an armchair warrior and complain about why this hurts your feelings. This was simply a lose/lose situation for the cops before it even went down the way it did: Guy swallows sock and chokes on it = "POLICE BRUTALITY" Cops fight guy to prevent him from swallowing sock and choking to death on it (and destroying evidence) = "POLICE BRUTALITY" [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=joe588;46587239]lmao what you'd let some cop beat the shit out of your parter without saying anything?[/QUOTE] In this situation, yeah, I would. Because I'm an intelligent human being with the capacity to realize that it's a very stupid idea to try and fight the police, particularly when you're guilty as hell of a crime, never mind guilty as hell of being a massive idiot, and the ability to maintain enough discipline to keep my emotions from overpowering reason and common sense under stressful circumstances. Would you try and fight them off?

[QUOTE=Govna;46588262]words words words[/QUOTE] I litterally cannot even comprehend how you could even begin to think that this is OK, legally or morally.

[QUOTE=OvB;46587206]Shouldn't rush cops if you're preggers. Her fault. Punching is probably excessive.[/QUOTE] More like [QUOTE=OvB;46587206]Shouldn't rush cops[/QUOTE] You will achieve nothing

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;46588706]I litterally cannot even comprehend how you could even begin to think that this is OK, legally or morally.[/QUOTE] Probably not, because, like I said, you're one of those people who is so completely paralyzed when it comes to reason by the violence of it all that you let your emotions rule you. You would be the exact same way if the guy had choked to death; "Why didn't they help him?!" "Why didn't they stop him?!" Etc. Dumbass could have choked to death, dumbass probably would have choked to death (it's a sock that's full of a wad of drugs; are you so overwhelmed emotionally with this case you can't understand the fact that these two things and a human throat do not mix well with each other?), and dumbass' girl thought it would be smart to run at cops while they were trying to deal with him and decided she'd start yelling at them (pro-tip: it's not smart to do this)-- because that's totally going to help make the situation less tense, right? Best part about this whole case is nobody died. No cops died, dumbass and dumbass' girl didn't die either. And their baby hasn't suffered any complications either as far as I'm aware. This was the recipe for a major bad time, and yet nothing happened. That's awesome honestly. I wonder what this kid of theirs is going to be like though with parents like this.

[QUOTE=Govna;46588262] arm chair warrior, this hurts your feelings cuz it's violence, dumb people, i know you more than you know yourself. MAN CHOKES ON DRUGS = POLICE BRUTALITY[/QUOTE] holy shit you really have no idea what you're talking about do you edit: stop typing like you know people who disagree with your opinions, read what people have to say first, and try to stay open minded lol

[QUOTE=SirDavid255;46589796]holy shit you really have no idea what you're talking about do you[/QUOTE] This is all your argument actually is, isn't it? You haven't actually got any points to make or anything worthwhile to add, do you? [QUOTE=SirDavid255;46589796]edit: stop typing like you know people who disagree with your opinions, read what people have to say first, and try to stay open minded lol[/QUOTE] It's pretty straightforward: a guy tried to shove a wad of drugs stuffed into a sock down his throat, the cops tried to prevent him from doing so not only because it's evidence but also because that's a great way to inadvertently kill yourself (and this has happened before), his girl got worked up and ran at them and started yelling at them, so they wrangled her down too. Nobody died, despite the fact this had all the makings to turn into a major clusterfuck, especially for the dude when he tried swallowing his drugs, and yet people are still angry. Who's surprised about this? This happens all the time. "I don't know, it just seems excessive/was clearly excessive to me" is not an argument. "How can you defend this kind of action legally and morally?" is not an argument. For someone who talks about "keeping an open mind", your side certainly isn't into that. Which isn't a bad thing here honestly; this was a very straightforward and simple case, and there's not much to debate.

[QUOTE=Govna;46589835]This is all your argument actually is, isn't it? You haven't actually got any points to make or anything worthwhile to add, do you?[/QUOTE] there's nothing to argue about, armchair warrior. Your opinion will stay an opinion as will mine. But did you forget the part where the cops threatened the citizen who was recording to hand over the tapes or he'll be possibly beaten and sent to jail? Not going to bother arguing online with someones linear mindset who won't change. don't forget "camera! oh no, someone stop him!"

[QUOTE=SirDavid255;46589865]there's nothing to argue about, armchair warrior. Your opinion will stay an opinion as will mine. But did you forget the part where the cops threatened the citizen who was recording to hand over the tapes or he'll be possibly beaten and sent to jail? Not going to bother arguing online with someones linear mindset who won't change.[/QUOTE] They never threatened to beat him or send him to jail, according to Fraiser, the guy who shot the video. Good job being a massive bullshitter. According to Fraiser, they wanted him to cooperate in this situation with his footage, which is what they asked him to do, and it's not hard to see why. It's bad public relations for this kind of stuff to get thrown out there, because society is full of people like you who immediately get pissed off at cops even when they've got valid reasons for their actions and do things that ordinary people are going to get uncomfortable seeing. I don't agree with this practice, which is legally permitted in many states, yet, coming back to your whole "open minded" thing, I can still understand the reasons why the cops do it. The good reasons, like trying to prevent an unjustified PR backlash, as well as the dishonest reasons, like making it easier to abuse the hell out of people (which is why it shouldn't, in my view, be an acceptable standard practice-- because there's always this risk, of it being used to cover up abuse I mean).

[QUOTE=Govna;46589951]It's bad public relations for this kind of stuff to get thrown out there, because society is full of people like you who immediately get pissed off at cops even when they've got valid reasons for their actions and do things that ordinary people are going to get uncomfortable seeing.[/QUOTE] Maybe show where this valid reason is first?. And shit dude, don't make up opinions for other people. I don't want to alarm you or anything but police brutality is a thing and people have a problem with it, but that doesn't mean they think every damn situation is police brutality. Maybe spend more time arguing with a person over the actual situation itself rather than some bullshit ad hominem and you will actually get somewhere.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;46588706]I litterally cannot even comprehend how you could even begin to think that this is OK, legally or morally.[/QUOTE] It's a good thing he wrote six paragraphs on it then mate

Woman shouldn't have assaulted the officer.

[quote]The witness who took the video claims an officer then took the tablet he was using to record the arrest, deleted the video file, not realizing it had already been stored on the electronic cloud.[/quote] This right here's the worst bloody part. "oh shit this isn't exactly by the books"

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46585128]and police wonder why communities dont trust them[/QUOTE] Because a couple bad officers are definitely make up the reputation of all police officers.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46586985]As long as even 1 corrupt cop is still on the streets, there will be no justice.[/QUOTE] ...except for all that other justice being done by uncorrupted officers.

to be fair you cant tell if a fat chick is pregnant or not just being real

[QUOTE=Jetamo;46595273]This right here's the worst bloody part. "oh shit this isn't exactly by the books"[/QUOTE] Punching a pregnant woman in the face wasn't enough, these guys had to commit armed robbery and obstruction of justice just to cap off their day of policing

Throw him in jail, that's fucking ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46597863]Punching a pregnant woman in the face wasn't enough, these guys had to commit armed robbery and obstruction of justice just to cap off their day of policing[/QUOTE] They punched the man, they tripped the woman.

[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;46598006]Throw him in jail, that's fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, its just sooo ridiculous to subdue a possibly violent suspect

[QUOTE=MetricLuvsU;46598646]Oh yeah, its just sooo ridiculous to subdue a possibly violent suspect[/QUOTE] Yes... A pregnant woman that was unarmed, you can try and convince me that she was dangerous now, will you?

[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;46601965]Yes... A pregnant woman that was unarmed, you can try and convince me that she was dangerous now, will you?[/QUOTE] Are you really going to say that women aren't able to fight? Like really?

Official response by Denver PD [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3kDxVFIYAAeeU5.jpg[/t] [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3kDzJiIcAE8_A6.jpg[/t] [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3kDy4VIAAE1xaS.jpg[/t]